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p.1 #1 · Geometry of Motion


As you probably I know, I love weird lines and shapes.. so I had to shoot the Badwater salt flats, but I also wanted something a little different from the usual. I made the detour to get there on my way back home from the Eastern Sierra, and found myself a nice spot, set up, and settled in with my book for 3 hours while collecting starlight...

http://florisvanbreugel.smugmug.com/photos/445957053_RBuj2-XL.jpg

This is actually 2.83 hours, or 34x 5 min exposures stacked. I've found the ideal exposure (for my style) is iso 400, f/5.6, and 5 min increments. So as soon as that exposure doesn't yield any blown out skies I start collecting light. The exposures are controlled with the canon TC80N3. The wider the lens, the longer you need to shoot to get nice trails.

I used my sigma 15mm fish eye and did some distortion correction to round out the trails. That dark hill is supposed to have a little more detail in it, the psd version does. I did have to clone out some car headlights. And I'm also not sure why there are some really short trails.. I guess some weird atmospheric thing or something (it's not the first or last file, so I don't know which it is..).



Dec 31, 2008 at 03:10 PM
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p.1 #2 · Geometry of Motion


Wow, that IS a new view of this place. Makes mine look common!

You succeeded very well here. The foreground is just right. Must have been a wide lens, from the horizon curvature.



Dec 31, 2008 at 03:15 PM
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p.1 #3 · Geometry of Motion


excellent image, love how you worked with your comfort and merged the images. I would have spent the whole night trying to get my exposure and missed the whole thing




Dec 31, 2008 at 03:20 PM
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p.1 #4 · Geometry of Motion


He, he, he, cool shot Floris, I love it.


Dec 31, 2008 at 04:32 PM
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p.1 #5 · Geometry of Motion


Hello Floris,

Beautiful use of the star trails to 'clock' the image. Very well done.

hugh



Dec 31, 2008 at 04:47 PM
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p.1 #6 · Geometry of Motion


Very, very nice. An uncommon capture of an often-shot scene. The very small shadows from the salt structures suggests a bit of moon to the west.

Edited on Dec 31, 2008 at 04:53 PM · View previous versions



Dec 31, 2008 at 04:51 PM
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p.1 #7 · Geometry of Motion


This is a totally delightful image. I also greatly appreciate the technical info you you provided. Would you mind also sharing how you stacked the images, and if the moon was visible (extra light)?


Dec 31, 2008 at 04:51 PM
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p.1 #8 · Geometry of Motion


Wow. Awesome capture of an oft-photographed location. Good on ya for pushing the envelope coming away with a keeper.


Dec 31, 2008 at 05:07 PM
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p.1 #9 · Geometry of Motion


I love it. Very unique take on the well known spot. It looks like the Polaris has a bit of movement (or mabye it's another star very close to Polaris)... is that a tech error or something that happens naturally (I've never shot startrails for longer than 30 minutes so I'm not sure...)?


Dec 31, 2008 at 05:08 PM
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p.1 #10 · Geometry of Motion


I love it quite frankly! It is very otherworldly. Thanks as well for sharing how you captured it.

Mark



Dec 31, 2008 at 05:15 PM
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p.1 #11 · Geometry of Motion


stanj wrote:
This is a totally delightful image. I also greatly appreciate the technical info you you provided. Would you mind also sharing how you stacked the images, and if the moon was visible (extra light)?


Thanks!

I opened the images in a stack, converted the stack to a smart object, and used 'maximum' blend mode. That's the same (as far as I can tell) as using lighten blend mode on everything. Now, for the web size image that works fine.. but at 100% you can see the little breaks in the stars (from using incremental exposures), which will show up in print.

If you use 'screen' blend mode (or if using a smart object) I think it's something like sum, total, or something like that, then you don't get the little breaks. But then it's really hard to get the rest of the image to look right.. because you're adding up all the sky as well. So you have to drop the exposure in the raw files, and do them in little batches, and then put those together, etc. I'm pretty sure that by combining the two techniques it should be possible to entirely eliminate the gaps and keep the same sky/foreground, but that will take lots of time (even on all 8 cores of my mac pro and 7 gigs of ram... so before I print I'll have to spend some more time).

Another method is to duplicate the image, find the center point, rotate the stars about it a little, and paste that onto the original in lighten mode, but to get the trails to line up perfectly is pretty much impossible, especially if you have any kind of distortion.


stanj wrote:
...and if the moon was visible (extra light)?


There was actually a very small slice of moon visible, but it was so minute that I doubt it contributed much (this was from two nights ago). The trick is to start shooting before it's completely dark, then you still have some glow from the sun (somewhere between 1/2 and 1 hour after sunset). That's also how you get nice blues in the sky, and in my case a little pink in those clouds. The trouble is finding the north star when it's still bright out! Even with a compass and knowing the declination of where you are hasn't helped me nail it, so there's about 10 min where you've got to pay a lot of attention. I do my best with the compass, then shoot a 3-5 min exposure and look for the center of rotation as soon as a few stars are out, then adjust, and start the exposure.

This works best when you've got a bright foreground, like white salt flats Otherwise yes, timing it so you have a bit of moon would help, but then you get less stars.

Also of note - I used almost 3 full batteries for this. Each one lasted about an hour (fully charged and kept warm till I put it in). So you gotta be careful that as soon as it dies (ie. the shutter isn't retriggered) that you're there to stick a new one in quickly! Using a grip with an extra battery would help mitigate that, and the newer cameras are probably a little more efficient.



Dec 31, 2008 at 05:23 PM
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p.1 #12 · Geometry of Motion


milanissimo wrote:
I love it. Very unique take on the well known spot. It looks like the Polaris has a bit of movement (or mabye it's another star very close to Polaris)... is that a tech error or something that happens naturally (I've never shot startrails for longer than 30 minutes so I'm not sure...)?


That is natural, I've seen it in all the star trails I've done with Polaris - it's just minimal movement, so it's the 'north' star



Dec 31, 2008 at 05:24 PM
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p.1 #13 · Geometry of Motion


Really awesome shot, Floris. I love it.

Sharon



Dec 31, 2008 at 05:33 PM
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p.1 #14 · Geometry of Motion


This is an amazing picture... The salt flats, the mountains and the stars all combine beautifully. The image is pure magic!... I'm sure it will look stunning on a wall.
cheers,
bruce



Dec 31, 2008 at 05:40 PM
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p.1 #15 · Geometry of Motion


Jeffrey wrote:
Wow, that IS a new view of this place. Makes mine look common!

You succeeded very well here. The foreground is just right. Must have been a wide lens, from the horizon curvature.


Thanks Jeffrey, yours is still special

Fisheye with a bit of distortion correction in PS



Dec 31, 2008 at 05:43 PM
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p.1 #16 · Geometry of Motion


Very interesting -- you don't normally see color in the star trails. Is that a result of the multiple exposures? it's nice shot.


Dec 31, 2008 at 05:54 PM
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p.1 #17 · Geometry of Motion


This has got to be one of the coolest Badwater shots ever! Thanks for sharing the details of your processing. I still have to test out the 5D mkII to see how well it can handle a single exposure of around 1 hour. Probably will have to stay with stacking, but eventually it would be nice if digital could handle this as well as film did.

-Dave



Dec 31, 2008 at 06:11 PM
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p.1 #18 · Geometry of Motion


Hat off to you, your persistence, knowledge and preparation!


Dec 31, 2008 at 07:52 PM
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p.1 #19 · Geometry of Motion


Stunning result! You did excellent planning, and the execution is great! Hope the book was good.


Dec 31, 2008 at 08:31 PM
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p.1 #20 · Geometry of Motion


Truly Stellar!
Many thanks for the capture and processing details.



Dec 31, 2008 at 08:50 PM
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