I just picked up a Canon G10 for my wife for Xmas. I plan on setting it to RAW since I do all the PP work (Lightroom).
Does anyone that is shooting RAW with a G10 have a Lightroom preset already deveolped that does a good job of an initial image development? If so, could have a copy of it? I have presets developed for all my Nikon bodies, but if someone already has a G10 preset, it could save me a bit of time starting from scratch.
Possible,
I assume Lightroom has a Canon profile built into the Calibration section - hopefully a few specific for the G10.
For my Nikon cameras I had developed my own profiles for each camera as well as presets adjusting brightness, blacks, curves, contrast, vivid, saturation, etc. that I used as my default imported preset for RAW files. I am looking for something similiar for the G10 RAW files that someone else may have already developed. I can do one one my own, but if I can save the time and use one that someone else has already made......
Lightroom 2.2 includes 6 Camera Matching Profiles for the Canon G10:
Adobe Standard (the new default, profiles will no longer be named/numbered ACR x.x)
Canon PowerShot G10 Camera Standard
Canon PowerShot G10 Camera Portrait
Canon PowerShot G10 Camera Neutral
Canon PowerShot G10 Camera Landscape
Canon PowerShot G10 Camera Faithful
The renditions from these profiles closely mirror Canon's Picture Styles so there's no need to create custom profiles any more.
To convert these profiles to presets simply import a RAW file taken with the G10 into Lightroom. Then go to the Develop Module and press the CTRL+ALT+N keystroke combination to create a new Presets folder; naming it something like "Canon G10 Presets"
Now scroll down to the Calibration Tab and in the Profile drop-down list select one of the six profiles, press CTRL+SHIFT+N to create a new preset. In the dialog box that appears click the "Uncheck All" button, then make sure only the "Calibration" option is selected and that the preset will be saved to your newly created Canon G10 Presets folder. Repeat the process for the other 5 profiles and you'll now have presets specific to your G10.
With these presets you'll now be able to choose among them as Develop Presets when importing photos into Lightroom; or preview the differences between them in the Navigator pane.
BTW, the Camera Matching Profiles are also installed by default if you use the free Adobe DNG Converter or ACR 5.2 (applicable to Photoshop CS4 only). There is also a full complement of Nikon profiles so you can compare how closely your custom profiles compare to Adobe's.
BONUS:
You can set a default profile that is applied to all G10 images by first selecting your desired profile in the Camera Calibration tab, then pressing the ALT key which changes the "Reset" button to the "Set Default" button. (My personal preference is Camera Neutral which is the Picture Style recommended by Canon when you intend to do futher post processing). http://www.canon.co.jp/imaging/picturestyle/index.html
Further, by setting your Lightroom Preferences (Presets tab) to "Make Defaults specific to camera serial number"; Lightroom will automatically apply your preferred profile when importing images made by that particular camera. This is extremely useful if you have multiple cameras of the same make and model since it enables Lightoom to recognize them by their unique serial numbers.
Hope this helps.
MichaelKirk wrote:
I just picked up a Canon G10 for my wife for Xmas. I plan on setting it to RAW since I do all the PP work (Lightroom).
Does anyone that is shooting RAW with a G10 have a Lightroom preset already deveolped that does a good job of an initial image development? If so, could have a copy of it? I have presets developed for all my Nikon bodies, but if someone already has a G10 preset, it could save me a bit of time starting from scratch.
Wow James, I didn't know about the detault camera profile feature. I've been manually applying profiles for all my images... at least as often as I can remember to. Thanks for posting that!
So when you choose "Set Default", that profile will be applied to all images subsequently imported for that camera?
If you leave the "make specific to serial number" checkbox unchecked, what does LR do? Make the default specific to a specific make and model, rather than a serial number?
CKrueger wrote:
Wow James, I didn't know about the detault camera profile feature. I've been manually applying profiles for all my images... at least as often as I can remember to. Thanks for posting that!
Lightroom allow you to set any of your "Presets" as the auto or default preset on all your imported images.
So when you choose "Set Default", that profile will be applied to all images subsequently imported for that camera?
Correct, this is why I'm not understanding why people shooting jpegs say the RAW workflow is so much more PP work. If you develop a preset that renders your RAW images to that jpeg look, all your RAW imported files will automatically be proccessed at import - all you need to do is tweak individual image exposures if necessary.
If you leave the "make specific to serial number" checkbox unchecked, what does LR do? Make the default specific to a specific make and model, rather than a serial number?
Again correct, you can develop your presets to camera model specific or camera serial number specific in case you have two or more of the same cameras and each exposes a bit differently or have color variations.
Thanks for clarifying, Michael. Camera-specific defaults is something I've been meaning to do for a long time. My 5D's willingness to be pushed and prodded with no ill effects left me rather ambivalent about doing the work to learn how to use the feature. But my Olympus DSLRs are more touchy about noise, and my G10 is even touchier still. I guess it's time to bite the bullet.
Sorry to steer the thread off-topic a bit. For what it's worth, I have no G10 specific presets... right now for G10 RAW files I'm using my "global" standard import preset that bumps vibrance to +20 and sets sharpening to 70/0.7/70. I need to tweak that for the G10, however... that much of sharpening doesn't play well with the G10's noise at ISO400+.
One thing is for sure, with the G10 in RAW you're going to get very familiar with the color NR slider. There's a lot at ISO400, and at ISO800 or ISO1600 you'll be more limiting damage than wiping out noise. You might also find--like I did--that JPEGs at ISO800+ are more usable than RAW files, thanks to Canon's aggressive (but good) NR. I shoot RAW+JPEG with the G10 right now because of this.
CKrueger wrote:
Wow James, I didn't know about the detault camera profile feature. I've been manually applying profiles for all my images... at least as often as I can remember to. Thanks for posting that!
You're welcome.
So when you choose "Set Default", that profile will be applied to all images subsequently imported for that camera?
That's correct.
If you leave the "make specific to serial number" checkbox unchecked, what does LR do? Make the default specific to a specific make and model, rather than a serial number?
Michael, I think we are mixing up the terminology here. While "presets" and "profiles" can eventually get you the same result they work quite differently. The difference is that a default profile is added automatically while you have to manually intervene to select and add a preset during the import process.
You have to manually create Presets within Lightroom (as described earlier) that include the color profiles and presets can contain any of the Develop tools you want. On the other hand, "profiles" can only be created or edited by using the DNG Profile Editor. Also, if you set your default profiles in Lightroom; using presets to alter the color profile when importing is not necessary. Where presets are useful is in altering the profiles of images that have previously been imported into your catalog(s).
Ideally you'd want to set a default profile that replicates the "jpeg look" because you can easily forget to choose a Develop Preset in the Import dialog box when pulling in your images. With a default profile its "set it and forget it."
MichaelKirk wrote:
Lightroom allow you to set any of your "Presets" as the auto or default preset on all your imported images.
Correct, this is why I'm not understanding why people shooting jpegs say the RAW workflow is so much more PP work. If you develop a preset that renders your RAW images to that jpeg look, all your RAW imported files will automatically be proccessed at import - all you need to do is tweak individual image exposures if necessary.
Again correct, you can develop your presets to camera model specific or camera serial number specific in case you have two or more of the same cameras and each exposes a bit differently or have color variations.
p.1 #10 · G10 Lightroom Presets - anyone have one?
Unfortunately Adobe did not release a full set of Camera Matching Profiles for Olympus cameras; in fact only Canon and Nikon cameras have a full complement of profiles.
For Oly cameras; you only get the Adobe Camera Standard profile and possibly ACR 4.4 and another ACR x.x profile depending on when support for that camera was initially added to ACR. Of course you can use the DNG Profile Editor to create your own custom profiles for your Oly cameras.
Another cool feature is that you can create profiles that vary by ISO and Lightroom will automatically use the correct profile if that feature is enabled in Preferences.
CKrueger wrote:
Thanks for clarifying, Michael. Camera-specific defaults is something I've been meaning to do for a long time. My 5D's willingness to be pushed and prodded with no ill effects left me rather ambivalent about doing the work to learn how to use the feature. But my Olympus DSLRs are more touchy about noise, and my G10 is even touchier still. I guess it's time to bite the bullet.
Sorry to steer the thread off-topic a bit. For what it's worth, I have no G10 specific presets... right now for G10 RAW files I'm using my "global" standard import preset that bumps vibrance to +20 and sets sharpening to 70/0.7/70. I need to tweak that for the G10, however... that much of sharpening doesn't play well with the G10's noise at ISO400+.
One thing is for sure, with the G10 in RAW you're going to get very familiar with the color NR slider. There's a lot at ISO400, and at ISO800 or ISO1600 you'll be more limiting damage than wiping out noise. You might also find--like I did--that JPEGs at ISO800+ are more usable than RAW files, thanks to Canon's aggressive (but good) NR. I shoot RAW+JPEG with the G10 right now because of this....Show more →
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James_N wrote:
Michael, I think we are mixing up the terminology here. While "presets" and "profiles" can eventually get you the same result they work quite differently. The difference is that a default profile is added automatically while you have to manually intervene to select and add a preset during the import process.
You have to manually create Presets within Lightroom (as described earlier) that include the color profiles and presets can contain any of the Develop tools you want. On the other hand, "profiles" can only be created or edited by using the DNG Profile Editor. Also, if you set your default profiles in Lightroom; using presets to alter the color profile when importing is not necessary. Where presets are useful is in altering the profiles of images that have previously been imported into your catalog(s).
Ideally you'd want to set a default profile that replicates the "jpeg look" because you can easily forget to choose a Develop Preset in the Import dialog box when pulling in your images. With a default profile its "set it and forget it."...Show more →\
Thanks for the educational heads up! You are correct in that I may be confusing the two terms a bit.....in that I really have only been using Presets when importing my RAW files. I developed my own presets using a custom calibration and set a few other adjustments and saved. When importing, I am apply a "Preset" at import and not a Profile.
What if any advantages are there for using one or another at import? If you are applying a "Profile" at import, can you (I would assume) still render the image back to it's original RAW setting to start from scratch if you wanted?
p.1 #12 · G10 Lightroom Presets - anyone have one?
MichaelKirk wrote:
Thanks for the educational heads up! You are correct in that I may be confusing the two terms a bit.....in that I really have only been using Presets when importing my RAW files. I developed my own presets using a custom calibration and set a few other adjustments and saved. When importing, I am apply a "Preset" at import and not a Profile.
You're welcome; it took me a while to really understand what's happening "under the hood" in Lightroom. Profiles, to my way of thinking, are simply the baseline rendition of the RAW image data that shows how the various colors are interpreted.
Presets, or Develop Presets as they are formally called, affect the look and feel of an image, i.e. how you "develop" the photo. And as you know from your own experience presets can include profiles while conversely, profiles cannot include presets.
What if any advantages are there for using one or another at import? If you are applying a "Profile" at import, can you (I would assume) still render the image back to it's original RAW setting to start from scratch if you wanted?
I don't think there are any advantages to either method, except that its possible to sometimes forget to apply a preset during import. If that happens Lightroom will revert to the default profile which is either ACR 4.x or the new Adobe Camera Standard profile and that may not be what you want. By changing the default profile setting (for example I use Adobe Camera Neutral as my default profile) you guarantee that all RAW files imported will be profiled as you choose without intervention on your part and without any "develop" changes.
You can always switch to any profile you want by selecting from the options in the Calibration drop-down box so any profile assignment is not permanent.
