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Archive 2008 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


I am thinking about getting 1 AB800. I currently have the STE2 and a few Canon flashes. My question is can I use my STE2 to fire the AB800? I am thinking I would use one of my flashes as a kicker.

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Dec 14, 2008 at 08:29 PM
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p.1 #2 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


they will fire on the optical triggers from your canon flashes - can't have a 'pre flash' so manual only

chuck will probably chime in with more detail since he is the canon flash master



Dec 14, 2008 at 08:50 PM
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p.1 #3 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


so no infrared todd? and if i understand what you are saying, i would have a 580 on camera set not to fire so that it trips the AB800 and any other canon flash in the room?


Dec 14, 2008 at 09:06 PM
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p.1 #4 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


AFAIK, the AB's don't trigger on IR, which the STE2 uses. They will fire on visible flash. You'll need to actually fire one of your Canons to trigger the AB.


Dec 14, 2008 at 09:11 PM
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p.1 #5 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


Yes, triggering an Alien Bee with a ST-E2 is possible. What you need to do to prevent pre-flash from prematurely triggering the ABs is to mask the TTL contacts in the hot shoe with tape or mylar so only the center pin which sends the "fire main flash" signal contacts the ST-E2. That prevents the ST-E2 from transmitting pre-flash signals. But the slave cells in the ABs are not too sensitive so you'd want the back of one of them pointing towards the ST-E2.

The ST-E2 isn't actually IR, but rather near-IR. It's a flash tube with a red filter. It capitalizes on the fact the rod cells of the eyes, which are about 3000x more sensitive than the cones, only react to blue-green wavelengths. So we don't see red as well as we do blue and green. It why red lights are used on ships at night to preserve night vision and why you can see better at night out of the corners of your eyes.

What you'd need to do to also trigger a Canon flash at the same time would be to force it into "dumb" slave mode. Set the wireless switch to "SLAVE" then press the mode button for 2 sec. until the M indicator starts blinking. Set power level manually on the flash. That's how to configure an EX flash to be triggered by a ST-E2 in manual mode. I'm not sure if it will work with the TTL pins taped to trigger the ABs, but suspect it will. Please try and report the results.

A 580ex in the hot shoe and set the wireless switch to OFF and mode to M it can also be used to trigger the ABs. There is no pre-flashing in that mode.

Chuck





Dec 14, 2008 at 11:47 PM
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p.1 #6 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


chuck to the rescue - i thought the st was ir but the 580 you planned to use as a kicker would trip the opticals

there is always something more - and chuck always knows



Dec 15, 2008 at 09:34 AM
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p.1 #7 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


chuck is always to the rescue!


Dec 15, 2008 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #8 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


The ST-E2 / AB question came up an another forum a few years ago. That's where I learned about the pin-masking trick.

My mind is a sponge and fortunately Alzheimer's hasn't kicked in to begin wringing it dry yet. I'm just blessed with a good memory for technical trivia about things which interest me, read manuals and experiment a lot with my toys. But at the same time have a terrible time remembering names, phone numbers, and rote memorization.

Chuck








Dec 15, 2008 at 03:46 PM
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p.1 #9 · Can the STE2 fire Alien Bees?


haha.

but even your time to even type all the words in your responses has gain respect for you by many here on the board.
yeah, im so bad with names. i meet people everyday and there is no way i remember everyones name.



Dec 16, 2008 at 02:57 AM





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