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p.3 #1 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Mike Hatam wrote:
I received the following response from ToCAD today:
Dear Mike,

The factory is testing the 50D and the 5d MarkII cameras to compatiblity with our flashes. The electronics are different from the other EOS cameras. I hope to hear from them soon with nes of a firmware upgrade.

Thank you,

Sally Wall
Customer Service Supervisor
Tocad America, Inc.
53 Greenpond Road
Rockaway,NJ 07866
973-627-9600 x115
Fax 973-664-2438


I also got a response from ToCAD America Inc also stating they are looking into it.



Dec 12, 2008 at 06:39 PM
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p.3 #2 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Hope they can fix the RD2000 compatibility issue with the 50D and 5D II. I have not been able to test it yet, as my 5D II is only scheduled to arrive on Monday - but I am pretty sure I will be faced with the same problem. Darn.


Dec 12, 2008 at 06:51 PM
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p.3 #3 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


brainiac wrote:
The killer application of the Sunpak RD2000 is that you can tilt the head downwards to get the bulb even closer to your lens axis, and thereby minimise shadows cast around people's noses, and onto walls behind them. It's not a ring flash, but it's better for shadows than typical DSLR built-ins.


yeah, it's almost as compact as a built-in, but better as a flash



Dec 13, 2008 at 01:10 AM
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p.3 #4 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


So while we wait for Sunpak's response from their testing, has anyone else had a chance to test the RD2000 on a 5DII?


Dec 14, 2008 at 11:41 AM
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p.3 #5 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


I will be receiving my 5D II tomorrow and will get the chance to test it then and report back.


Dec 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM
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p.3 #6 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


I just wanted a small flash to work on my 5D...kind of like the popup flash that wasn't there.

When you really want to go "light", even the 220EX, which I have, gets heavy...primarily due to the 4-AA batteries.

I found the Nissin Di28 at B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/549062-USA/Nissin_NI_DI28_C_Di28_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html#reviews

Quite small and only takes 2-AAA batteries, so it is a gem for the "light' bag.

This thread got me a bit nervous that it would not work with my 5D2, which arrives tomorrow. Happily, I see that Nissin states it is compatible with the 5D2.
http://www.nissin-japan.com/en/

John



Dec 14, 2008 at 02:26 PM
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p.3 #7 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


John - please post a reply here tomorrow when you receive your 5D2 and have a chance to test your flash. If it's compatible, that may be a good choice.

One drawback of the power-source (two AAA batteries) is the fact that it takes 8 seconds to charge (recycle time). The RD2000, which is actually a smaller unit, recycles faster, and has bounce ability. But if it doesn't work with the 5D2, then it's not an option for me.

Mike



Dec 14, 2008 at 02:58 PM
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p.3 #8 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Mike Hatam wrote:
John - please post a reply here tomorrow when you receive your 5D2 and have a chance to test your flash. If it's compatible, that may be a good choice.

One drawback of the power-source (two AAA batteries) is the fact that it takes 8 seconds to charge (recycle time). The RD2000, which is actually a smaller unit, recycles faster, and has bounce ability. But if it doesn't work with the 5D2, then it's not an option for me.

Mike


I am not sure where B&H got the 8 seconds from....maybe using fully depleted batteries. Nissen spec is 0.2 - 4 sec. http://www.nissin-japan.com/en/Di28/index2.html

This is pretty much what I have experienced. I use Eneloop AAAs, which are great. The recycle is more than a 580EX, but...

As for bouncing...if I want to "fill a room with light" I am going to use one of my 580EXs. A 20-22 guidenumber flash is not going to do a real good job at that.

I am not sure what you are looking for in this flash, but I want it to replace the convenience of a popup flash...GN =~ 13, no HS flash, and no AF assist (I refuse to use the popup's white light flash). It is when I am "out and about" and all of a sudden need some fill flash or whatever. If I expect to use a flash, I take a FLASH

I will post tomorrow to confirm it works....JOHN



Dec 14, 2008 at 04:11 PM
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p.3 #9 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


I tried mine and have same result - no go. Left email with Sunpak, we'll see...


Dec 14, 2008 at 05:38 PM
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p.3 #10 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


John - one of the uses I like these little flashes for is to trigger some larger monolights that are set for slave. Bounce is nice for that, as you can aim the flash away from the subject, using it only as a remote trigger for the larger slaves.


Dec 14, 2008 at 06:44 PM
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p.3 #11 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Well, more bad news...

My 5DII will not trigger my Elinchrom Skyport Transmitter, so I can't use the skyports to trigger my Elinchrom lights. This sucks.

I did an imformal portrait session with some friends today, and had to use a sync cord to trigger the elinchroms.

Man, all these flash incompatibilities could become a real problem with the 5DII!

UPDATE:

I'm able to get the Skyports to work fine with the 5DII now - see my update below.




Edited on Dec 16, 2008 at 12:12 AM · View previous versions



Dec 14, 2008 at 06:46 PM
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p.3 #12 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


I've retitled this thread so that we can discuss incompatibilities with any 3rd party flashes or transmitters for the 5D II.

So far, it seems that the Sunpak RD2000, and the Elinchrom Skyport Transmitter, will both fail to be triggered by the 5DII hot shoe.

Any others people have found yet?



Dec 14, 2008 at 09:41 PM
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p.3 #13 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Interesting thread. I use Sigma EF-500 DG flash units myself (I have two). Both units work just fine with my 5D and 40D- never had a problem with either. One of the units (which appears to be slightly older than the other, I bought it used so I'm not 100% sure) did not fire with my 5D Mark II. Of course I had to find this out while tinkering with the camera at a wedding on Saturday. Not cool- and this thread confirmed that the incompatability is a possibility. I ended up swapping the two EF-500 flash units between bodies and was able to continue working both.

I did try reconnecting, wiggling the connector etc. I had an 85mm lens on the 5D2 and the (probably) older EF-500 unit would zoom in and out between 85 and 105mm with the flash head pointed straight. It was weird, it would react if I held the shutter button down halfway (that is zoom from one setting to the other. When I swapped flash units, the problem disappeared.

My cheap ebay hotshoe triggers worked just fine with the 5DII so no incompatibility there



Dec 15, 2008 at 06:42 AM
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p.3 #14 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Mike Hatam wrote:
Well, more bad news...

My 5DII will not trigger my Elinchrom Skyport Transmitter, so I can't use the skyports to trigger my Elinchrom lights. This sucks.

I did an imformal portrait session with some friends today, and had to use a sync cord to trigger the elinchroms.

Man, all these flash incompatibilities could become a real problem with the 5DII!



That's really bad. Has anyone tried PWs yet? I can't imagine Canon would release a "studio" body that can't trigger PWs, but if they did ... yikes.



Dec 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM
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p.3 #15 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Just came to a relization... the Sigma EF-500 DG Super flash unit that DID work with the 5D Mark II was fresh from the Sigma repair center. The flash bulb had expired on that guy, and I got it back last Friday (4 days ago). The invoice did mention a firmware update, which I guess they did as a courtesy... might explain why that flash unit was working and the other one was not.


Dec 15, 2008 at 01:26 PM
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p.3 #16 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Tried the RD2000 on my 5D II and .... you guessed it .... it didn't work! I emailed Tocad about this too.


Dec 15, 2008 at 05:03 PM
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p.3 #17 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Hi,

I can confirm that if you put a PW on top of a 5dMK2, it will fire my studio flashes (camray 300's) properly everytime.

but I had an issue that if I have a 580ll and a PW hooked up at the same time with a Y cord, it' fires off the PW erratically and can't be used.

works perfectly on the 5d mk1 though

cheers



Dec 15, 2008 at 05:25 PM
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p.3 #18 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


Mike Hatam wrote:
My 5DII will not trigger my Elinchrom Skyport Transmitter, so I can't use the skyports to trigger my Elinchrom lights. This sucks.



UPDATE: I was able to get the Elinchrom Skyports to work with the 5DII. I had to fiddle with it a bit to get the skyport "in" far enough on the hot shoe to make contact, but now it works consistently.

Good to know that the studio transmitters, like Skyport and PocketWizard are working OK with the 5DII.

The issues seem to be with the 3rd part dedicated hot-shoe flashes, such as Sigma and Sunpak.

Anyone tried a Metz on the 5DII yet?




Dec 16, 2008 at 12:12 AM
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p.3 #19 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


For those who have or may be thinking about getting the Sunpak PZ40X II flash .... which is very small/compact/light (but not as small and compact as the RD2000 unfortunately) .... it works with the 5D Mk II.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/408089-REG/Sunpak_PZ040C2_PZ40X_II_AF_TTL.html



Dec 16, 2008 at 12:25 AM
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p.3 #20 · 5D2 3rd party flash incompatibility discussion


I have tried the Nissin Di28 on the 5D Mark II. Mine, at least, has "issues".

On the first shot after mounting, it works. Subsequent shots are weak...like test flashes.

I have contacted Nissin, but other than an ack. to my note, I have not heard back from them yet.

John



Dec 16, 2008 at 09:26 AM
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