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maxima302 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #1 · 35mm with Movements? Hi all- I wasn't sure where to post this, but I was wondering if anyone had an idea of how to get movements (tilt, swing, shift) on a 5D? I know of the Cambo system, but it is far to expensive. Now I'm not sure if this would work, but would adapting some macro bellows or similar give the same effect? I would assume that putting bellows between a lens and the sensor would just enable workability at extremely shallow focal lengths? Any other ideas?! Thanks! Dec 08, 2008 at 10:26 AM

jcolwell Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #2 · 35mm with Movements? You should do searches on "Mirex" and "Zoerk". These adapters let you have movements on a "35mm format" DSLR with infinity focus using medium format and/or enlarger lenses. The first photo below shows the Mirex with a Mamiya M645 C 80/2.8N lens. Its capabilities are fully described in some of the articles that your search will find. As you mention, you can use a bellows system with movements for macro work, but the extra length between the lens and body often means you can't achieve infinity focus. The second photo below shows a Mamiya M645 Auto-Bellows N with a Pentax SMC Bellows-Takumar 100/4. This bellows has rise/fall, sway, tilt and swing on the front standard. The furthest focus distance with this lens is less than 1 metre. I'm in the process of making a Mamiya M645 adapter for a Schneider-K 180mm large format barrel lens. It should achieve infinity focus on the Mamiya Auto-Bellows, but I'll probably need the soft bag bellows to have useful movements. The third photo below shows a Leica M39 screw mount Kopil tilt-shift bellows with a Rodenstock Rodagon 105/5.6 enlgarger lens. This bellows has swing on the front standard and rise/fall on both standards. In this photo, the Kopil is rotated 90 deg on the body so it gives tilt, with linear movement towards and away from the camera taking the photo (i.e. sway), and the body is mounted on a focus rail. Dec 08, 2008 at 11:45 AM

dcmiller Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #3 · 35mm with Movements? Setting swing aside, if someone could make the correct adapter, the best solution would probably be the new Nikon PC-E lenses. These seem to be considerably better than Canon's TS-E lenses. What are you trying to accomplish? Dec 08, 2008 at 02:23 PM

Eric Gottesman Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #4 · 35mm with Movements? jcolwell, I've seen pictures of these setups, but I don't know what they would be used for. Could you give me an idea of what you use bellows for? Could you show a sample pic of what you took with that setup? Thanks, Eric Dec 08, 2008 at 02:30 PM

gasrocks Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #5 · 35mm with Movements? I have a Canon 35/2.8 TS lens that has been converted to EF mount - wonderful. Dec 08, 2008 at 07:51 PM

jcolman Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #6 · 35mm with Movements? Eric Gottesman wrote: jcolwell, I've seen pictures of these setups, but I don't know what they would be used for. Could you give me an idea of what you use bellows for? Could you show a sample pic of what you took with that setup? Thanks, Eric Bellows work the same as extension tubes. They allow for extreme close ups. The beauty of bellows is that they're adjustable, unlike tubes. Also, in the above mentioned rig, you can swing the front element in order to adjust your field of focus. Dec 08, 2008 at 09:37 PM

prashant Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #7 · 35mm with Movements? unfortunately I've heard not so good comments about Zoerk adapter. I actually have spoken with the person who makes it but found it a bit expensive. A better alternative is TS-E lenses. Dec 09, 2008 at 10:19 AM

maxima302 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #8 · 35mm with Movements? Thanks for the advice! I suppose I'm looking to build something on rails that will allow for tilt shift rise and fall. Perhaps the Nikon PB-4 Bellows would be the way to go? Of course, I could really only use them fully retracted... Dec 10, 2008 at 01:30 AM

mh2000 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #9 · 35mm with Movements? There are Russian T/S lenses worth looking into. Google "Arsat" and "Super-Rotator" to get to some pages on them. Canon TS-E 45 & 90 are wonderful lenses IMO... actually my two best Canon lenses (sold my L lenses, but kept these two). Dec 10, 2008 at 05:28 AM

edwardkaraa Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #10 · 35mm with Movements? The Contax 35mm TS seems to be one of the best out there, which is also reflected in the price Dec 10, 2008 at 09:44 AM

maxima302 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #11 · 35mm with Movements? Thanks for the advice. I'm aware of the Hartblei Super-Rotator, but have really strayed away because of mediocre reviews. The Canon TS-E lenses are sure the best option, but I'm attempting to avoid the price, and obtain some more movements perhaps (not sure if this is possible). Dec 10, 2008 at 10:21 AM

brainiac Offline Dedicated FM Account Locked p.1 #12 · 35mm with Movements? edwardkaraa wrote: The Contax 35mm TS seems to be one of the best out there, which is also reflected in the price The Contax is shift only, not tilt. It is a typical Contax - superb optics. In these days of digital, tilt matters less since it is easy to blend a series of differently focussed images to get varying focus distances. Shift, on the other hand, is really useful, as a free perspective transform in post-processing often kills detail in stretched parts of the image. hubsand tested the Contax on 16-9.net and found it to be significantly better than the alternatives. It is the Zeiss 21 of wideangle shift lenses. With 21 megapixels it helps to have that kind of firepower. Incidentally (;-) I have one for sale, if anyone is interested. I don't shoot landscape, architecture, or interiors, so despite this being the best and most valuable 35mm lens that I have, it sits in a cupboard reproaching me. Dec 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM

dcmiller Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #13 · 35mm with Movements? I think tilt has become important again with the reality of high density sensors. I haven't found that moderate perspective correction in photoshop causes much loss of detail. Perhaps because the shots I bother to correct contain man-made objects, such as buildings, where detail isn't as critical as some other situations. I also find its usually possible to keep the camera level and crop. If I shot interiors I would probably want shift. But what I mostly shoot seriously is landscapes, and I don't understand how a lens can gave shift without tilt. Sounds like the OP wants movements for macro work. I don't know anything about that. Schneider makes a tilt shift lens in various mounts. I believe they make the PCE lens for Leica. The new Nikons are the gold standard for 35mm, however. The three new PCE lenses plus the 14-24 may have me buying a D700x. Add to this their newer 24-70 ED is superior to the 24-70L and it seems that Nikon takes the needs of a more technical shooter than Canon. Dec 10, 2008 at 02:06 PM

dcmiller Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #14 · 35mm with Movements? mh2000 wrote: There are Russian T/S lenses worth looking into. Google "Arsat" and "Super-Rotator" to get to some pages on them. Canon TS-E 45 & 90 are wonderful lenses IMO... actually my two best Canon lenses (sold my L lenses, but kept these two). I was traumatized by the Hartblei super rotator. I would only try this lens with return privileges. I've never had a piece of Russian glass worth keeping. When they dragged the Zeiss equipment back to the homeland after WWII it must have been damaged. To be fair I believe Hartblei is now Ukrainian. Dec 10, 2008 at 02:12 PM

Tamerlin Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #15 · 35mm with Movements? dcmiller wrote: To be fair I believe Hartblei is now Ukrainian. Actually, Czech. Some of the best glass out there however is Russian (Lomo makes some great telescopes), and I've had good results with a Hartlei SuperRotator on a Kiev 88CM. The newest Hartblei SuperRotators use Zeiss glass... odds are they'll satisfy just about anyone who can afford them That said, I don't have any experience with the Nikon and Canon TS lenses, but I've heard good things about them. Ironically, the most economical way to get access to movements with high-quality glass is to get a used 4x5 gear Dec 10, 2008 at 06:52 PM

ACElkins Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #16 · 35mm with Movements? maxima302 wrote: Thanks for the advice! I suppose I'm looking to build something on rails that will allow for tilt shift rise and fall. Perhaps the Nikon PB-4 Bellows would be the way to go? Of course, I could really only use them fully retracted... Just to let you know, the more you retract the bellows, the less movement you have in Shift and Tilt modes. I use a Nikon PB-4 Bellows, probably one of the more economical and available Tilt/Shift bellows, but usually with a 120mm lens. I believe the shortest FL that will give infininty focus on this unit is a 80 or 105mm lens. That would have the 2 standards next to each other, allowing little if any movement. Back in the 70's Spiratone (Printz?) sold a bellows with interchangable lens mounts that had full movements on both standards like a view camera. Price was less than $100 if I recall. These show up occasionally on E-Bay, however due to the demand for this type item they usually go for $300 + nowdays. Dec 10, 2008 at 07:02 PM

dcmiller Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #17 · 35mm with Movements? .............................. Edited on Dec 10, 2008 at 07:27 PM · View previous versions Dec 10, 2008 at 07:23 PM

dcmiller Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #18 · 35mm with Movements? ACElkins wrote: [ .......................... Back in the 70's Spiratone (Printz?) sold a bellows with interchangable lens mounts that had full movements on both standards like a view camera. Price was less than $100 if I recall. These show up occasionally on E-Bay, however due to the demand for this type item they usually go for $300 + nowdays. That's going to take a medium format lens to have shift. Not a bad way to go, considering the used market. Put a hassy macro on the front. Dec 10, 2008 at 07:25 PM

maxima302 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #19 · 35mm with Movements? ACElkins wrote: Just to let you know, the more you retract the bellows, the less movement you have in Shift and Tilt modes. I use a Nikon PB-4 Bellows, probably one of the more economical and available Tilt/Shift bellows, but usually with a 120mm lens. I believe the shortest FL that will give infininty focus on this unit is a 80 or 105mm lens. That would have the 2 standards next to each other, allowing little if any movement. Back in the 70's Spiratone (Printz?) sold a bellows with interchangable lens mounts that had full movements on both standards like a view camera. Price was less than $100 if I recall. These show up occasionally on E-Bay, however due to the demand for this type item they usually go for $300 + nowdays. So I could potentially grab a set of PB-4 bellows and an 80mm lens and still be able to focus at infinity with (few) movements? I don't want this for macro work, so being able to focus on landscapes would be ideal. It's seeming like the TS-E lenses are looking to be the best method for achieving this... Dec 11, 2008 at 01:31 AM

Tamerlin Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #20 · 35mm with Movements? maxima302 wrote: It's seeming like the TS-E lenses are looking to be the best method for achieving this... Unless you're willing to invest in a view camera, I think you're right. Dec 11, 2008 at 05:33 PM

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