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p.1 #1 · D3x framerate?

Someone at DPR wrote the framerate of the D3x is 5fps (FX mode) with 12 bits and only 1.8fps with 14 bits (a bit like the D300).
I'm trying to find out if this tru. If you read the specs about the framerate there is an "*" behind the framerate and at the end of the specs it says "12bits".
At least this makes me think, there looks to be some thruth in it.

Dec 04, 2008 at 04:08 PM

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p.1 #2 · D3x framerate?

this was all I could find :-(

Top Continuous Shooting Speed at full resolution
FX-format 5 frames per second

CH: Up to 5 frames per second
CL: Up to 4 frames per second
5:4 format
CH: Up to 5 frames per second
CL: Up to 4 frames per second
DX-format
CH: Up to 7 frames per second
CL: Up to 5 frames per secondSingle

Dec 04, 2008 at 04:27 PM

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p.1 #3 · D3x framerate?

same crap with the sony.

Dec 04, 2008 at 04:27 PM

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p.1 #4 · D3x framerate?

louis fusco wrote:
same crap with the sony.

If it's tru!

Dec 04, 2008 at 04:41 PM

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p.1 #5 · D3x framerate?

I posted this a few days ago regarding this issue. Seems rather sneaky if true.

The performance specs seem to have a number of asterisk tied to it.

High-speed performance meets the most rigorous professional demands
Just like the D3, the D3X achieves a start-up time of 0.12 second and a shutter release time lag of 0.04 second*1*2. It delivers a continuous shooting speed of approx. 5 frames per second in FX format (36 x 24) or 5:4 (30 x 24), and 7 frames per second in DX format (24 x 16)*2*3. Also, the D3X is fully compatible with UDMA, the new-generation high-speed card that enables 35-Mbyte recording equivalent to the D3. The D3X is capable of recording approx. 7.1 MB (JPEG, image size L, NORMAL) of data captured in FX format at speeds of approx. 5 frames per second

*1: Based on CIPA Guidelines
*2: In 12-bit A/D conversion mode
*3: The maximum frame rate can be chosen using Custom setting d2 [Shooting speed]. The rate is tested under the following conditions: focus mode set to C, exposure mode set to S or M, shutter speed set to 1/250 sec. or faster, with other settings set to default. If VR is on when a VR lens is used, the indicated speed may not be attained. The maximum number of shots at the maximum frame rate is determined by the selected image size and quality. The frame rate slows when the memory buffer fills.

Dec 04, 2008 at 06:57 PM

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p.1 #6 · D3x framerate?

I was looking at the specs on the PDF file and this is what's listed:

Frame Advance Rate
• DX format (24 x 16): Up to 5 fps (CL) or 5 to 7 fps (CH)
• Other image areas: Up to 5 fps

Now, I had read somewhere that the 7fps DX speed was only avail in 12bit mode, and that 5 to 7 fps above seems to support it. That would be kind of sneaky if you couldn't use it at 5 FPS in 14 bit mode - Canon can do that, can't they?

Dec 05, 2008 at 12:17 AM

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p.1 #7 · D3x framerate?

yes the 1DS MKIII does 5 frames per second in 14bit.

Dec 05, 2008 at 12:21 AM

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p.1 #8 · D3x framerate?

Whew, Rob says we're good:

"Like the D3, the frame rate of the D3X stays constant when the 14 bit option is selected, up to 5 fps in the case of the new model. To achieve a 7 fps maximum shooting rate in DX Format mode, the camera utilizes 12 bits per colour conversions."

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9318-9761

Dec 05, 2008 at 12:34 AM

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p.1 #9 · D3x framerate?

Another DPR inaccuracy cleared up. I'm always amazed how people can make claims about cameras they have never used.

Dec 05, 2008 at 01:04 AM

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p.1 #10 · D3x framerate?

Well, it is DPR

Dec 05, 2008 at 01:24 AM

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p.1 #11 · D3x framerate?

In DX crop mode, shooting rates of up to 11 fps (D3) and

7 fps* (D3X)

increase your opportunities of nailing the precise moment you need. For situations that require full resolution, photographers can shoot in FX-format — 9 fps with the D3 and

5 fps* with the D3X

— and rely on full AF and AE performance. The FX-format empowers you and your editors to crop winning shots as necessary and still be able to enlarge them into commercial-quality prints.
And because the D3 and D3X support next-generation UDMA technology, recording speed gets an extra boost, enabling you to shoot more consecutive shots — pivotal to many professional assignments.

* When 12 bit A/D conversion is used.

Notice the little stars here, seems it won´t give you 5fps in 14bit mode.

Source here: http://chsvimg.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d3/en/features/performance/#/?jsloc=quick_responce

Dec 05, 2008 at 02:23 AM

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p.1 #12 · D3x framerate?

i doubt pro's will buy the D3x with the intention of using it as a sports machine gun. This is exactly why there was always a choice... D1h/D1x, D2h/D2x, etc. etc., I wasn't expecting the X to be überfast @ the throat where it swallows those huge files, it was bound to bottleneck there... expect a buffer upgrade...

Dec 05, 2008 at 02:41 AM

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p.1 #13 · D3x framerate?

Agree completely. I don´t think it was ever supposed to be neither fast nor a high iso camera. For that the D3 is out there.

Looking forward to seeing some serious samples and some in depth reviews.

Dec 05, 2008 at 03:49 AM

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p.1 #14 · D3x framerate?

James R wrote:
Another DPR inaccuracy cleared up. I'm always amazed how people can make claims about cameras they have never used.

I'm still not convinced.
In one of the reply's a Nikon rep tried it out with a demo cam and it was below 2fps

Dec 05, 2008 at 09:18 AM

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p.1 #15 · D3x framerate?

Chris Dees wrote:
James R wrote:
Another DPR inaccuracy cleared up. I'm always amazed how people can make claims about cameras they have never used.

I'm still not convinced.
In one of the reply's a Nikon rep tried it out with a demo cam and it was below 2fps

Is that the truth or did you read it on DP Review ??
tim

Dec 05, 2008 at 09:50 AM

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p.1 #16 · D3x framerate?

To prevent any further arguments the frame rate is 1.8 in 14 bit.

In DX mode 14 bit = 2.6 fps

Start up goes from 0.4 to 0.6 in 14 bit

http://66.102.9.100/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3x/features02.htm&usg=ALkJrhhwuYj3fPs5dbYRtF8a8GzDZ568zA#features1

Dec 05, 2008 at 10:16 AM

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p.1 #17 · D3x framerate?

Ouch, so it looks to be tru

Dec 05, 2008 at 10:22 AM

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p.1 #18 · D3x framerate?

The shutter lag also goes from 40ms to 60 ms in 14 bit.

Dec 05, 2008 at 12:07 PM

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p.1 #19 · D3x framerate?

Well, that kind of sucks if it's true. It's not the end of the world, but dang, you'd think Nikon could at least be on par with Canon after releasing a competing model a year late. At least the AF should work!

Dec 05, 2008 at 12:28 PM

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p.1 #20 · D3x framerate?

I'd bet the 16 BIT pipeline has something to do with it. They are going after the ultimate image quality for a 35mm dSLR.

Dec 05, 2008 at 05:05 PM

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p.1 #21 · D3x framerate?

gman1339 wrote:
I'd bet the 16 BIT pipeline has something to do with it. They are going after the ultimate image quality for a 35mm dSLR.

Could be, I read somewhere the D3x board is based on the same principles as the D300.

Dec 05, 2008 at 05:35 PM

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p.1 #22 · D3x framerate?

gman1339 wrote:
I'd bet the 16 BIT pipeline has something to do with it. They are going after the ultimate image quality for a 35mm dSLR.

The D3X is only 14Bit

Dec 05, 2008 at 05:44 PM

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p.1 #23 · D3x framerate?

Bruce Sawle wrote:
gman1339 wrote:
I'd bet the 16 BIT pipeline has something to do with it. They are going after the ultimate image quality for a 35mm dSLR.

The D3X is only 14Bit

It has a 16 BIT imaging pipeline. The final image it records is 14 BIT.

You can read about the 16 BIT image processing on page 10 of the product brochure...

http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Digital-SLR/25442-Nikon-D3X/PDF/25442_D3X_brochure.pdf

I think when they moved up to 24.5 MP they just didn't have the processing power for the full framerate pushed through the 16 BIT image processor and put out as a 14 BIT file. It's like what you see with the D300. It might have something to do with pixel density. Who knows. I'm sure there is some technological reason for it though, since I don't think it's something Nikon wanted to do with either the D300 or the D3X.

Dec 05, 2008 at 05:46 PM

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p.1 #24 · D3x framerate?

Nick G Walker wrote:
To prevent any further arguments the frame rate is 1.8 in 14 bit.

http://66.102.9.100/

That "Nikon" website is being hosted by another website. It is not the actual one I don't believe. It is someone who has set a scam up to give people viruses. I wouldn't suggest visiting that page.

Dec 05, 2008 at 11:01 PM

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p.1 #25 · D3x framerate?

I don't see this as the camera of choice for high-speed shooting. If I were using it I would just concern myself with ultimate IQ and not worry about it's machine gun capabilities. I haven't worried about the same issue with the D300, so I doubt I would be too concerned on this camera.

Then again, after spending $8K on this body one might feel cheated. The D300 was just a wee bit less expensive.

David

Dec 05, 2008 at 11:15 PM


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