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#67 in a Series of Impressions Threads: "Etude | Study"
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READ THIS FIRST:
Please share your impressions. That helps me as an artist and will be appreciated and enjoyed by the subject too (i.e. the pianist) when I share your Impressions with her in a few days.

I take the time to write up many bits of technique and tips both here in my own impressions discussions (see below) and in 4,500+ posts put up by other photographers. So, while I do like helping others here, it DOES help me if you will write your impressions in this thread. It only takes a moment to give an impression that may be very helpful and will be appreciated by the subject or pianist too. And if you enjoy this image or this type of discussion, you are invited to visit any of the previous 64 Impressions images/discussions and leave your own impression on any of them too. Just type "Impressions" in the search field of this forum to find a list of them. Thanks in advance.

Put another way...Don't Just Lurk...Join In. Add value. Contribute. Share your thoughts. Help others. Post your Impression. : )

THE IMAGE LINK: Impressions Image #67 Etude"
http://www.steadmanuhlich.com/impressions67/index.html
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NOTES:

NOTE 1:
This image was made with a big difference from all of the other pianist images I have shown you so far. THIS image is a "posed" image. Almost all of my other images are "Natural" images that do not involve posing. This ONE does. However, while the "position" (pose) of the body is different, the eye contact is direct to the camera and the "look" or expression is "her look" (at times). She has large, beautiful and expressive eyes. On the large print of this image, the eyes are very strong and captivating.

BIG NOTE!
For the purpose of this discussion, I would like you to give me your impressions on her natural facial expression. What do you see in that expression?

NOTE 2: "Etude" is a musical term that simply means "study" and as this image POV is showing "her" as a "study" by the photographer/artist of an artist/pianist/figure AND...she appears to be "studying" me (the observer) too! Thus, this title fits the image in more than one way.

NOTE 4: This image, when viewed over the net may appear softer than it really is as a print due to the saving of a large file for the web. The moment I saw it after it was posted on a web page, I saw this "softening" effect. In reality, the image makes a large print that is very "luscious" with deep blacks, nice flesh tones (gray) and tiny bits of highlights that make the image as a whole "sparkle" with life. It is a very nice "classic B&W" toned image with lots of subtle shadow details (like her black dress texture and the glossy looking edges of the piano). I wish I could show you the print. On THIS image, I did sharpen it for the web, so the overall look is a little different from my print.

NOTE 5: Read the "Tools" and "Techniques" notes below to understand how this image was made without flash and how it captures a natural moment (not posed) as the musician is actually performing a piece of music. I wrote those sections to help you with some tips. IF you find them helpful or inspiring in some way, let me know AND give me your impression in return.

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TOOLS, TECHNIQUES & METHODS

My Intent or Goal:
Create a Black and White portrait of this woman that shows her unique beauty. For this image I wanted to create an image that captures her while she is playing. I thought her eyes were beautiful (brown), her features very nice and her look refreshingly "natural." This image is one of several I made of her, so she became the subject of several "Impressionistic" images.

This particular image is one of a set to show one of those "moods." This one is one of the more "serious" portrait images. Now...what do YOU see?

The Piano (Prop):
For those of you who like pianos...I am sure you would like to see more of the instrument. This is a 9 foot Steinway Concert Grand piano (Model D New York). The price is about $150,000 or so for this instrument. When played "Forte" this piano and its long strings create powerful sounds (they caused me to say "WOW") with wonderfully long resonance. A beautiful instrument and very beautiful sounds (unlike smaller pianos).

The Figure Position (Pose):
She is obviously NOT playing the piano.

The Light:
All natural sunlight! Most of my Pianist Portraits in this series were photographed using only natural light from a large window. So, the catchlights you see in her pretty eyes are completely natural and of the shape and sizes a window creates. I like natural catch-lights. The large light source also creates an "even" lighting scheme on her face at this angle. I usually like shadows on a face, but in this case for the direct look I wanted to capture, one has to do without.

The Tools:
My preference is for keeping the use of tools very simple. The image is made with minimal equipment and processing. The lens was a 50mm, set at f2.8 and shutter speed 1/60 sec and shot hand-held (in keeping with my nickname). I don't recommend a slow shutter speed like this unless you practice good hand holding technique or use a tripod. This was shot Hand-Held (hence my nickname here) and using only natural sunlight.

The Technique:
The most important things to use during a session like this is...patience and an open mind. Patience to see the image when the light and expression were just right.

Notes:
1. This is part of my Natural Expressions series and part of a project focused on pianists. So, while some "expressions" are very easy to see because of a broad smile, laugh, or scowl, this one is something more subtle, and depends on the body language or expression using the body. I don't expect everyone to see this.

2. This is a greatly reduced file for the web. Unfortunately, the image appears to lose some details at this reduction and also is beginning to show some jpg artifacts from all the saving for different sizes and formats I use on the web and in other media. So...the skin does not look as textured (sharp) (naturally) as it does in the actual print. In the original print (which appears sharper), the individual hairs on her head and her eyelashes are very distinct (as an example) and the skin has a completely natural texture (no smoothing). Also at this size on the web, the contrast is not what one sees in a final print. For example, in the web view, you may see a lack of texture in the highlight areas of the skin (or they may appear 'hot') and in the shadow areas too. In the final print there is a very natural look to the her skin, hair, and the textures of her garment. In fact, in large prints (and on my calibrated monitor) one can see the very subtle tonal differences between the background and the hair or black garments. She is wearing black wool...and that is very difficult to expose while keeping the white keys and highlights at a nice point. The final print has natural texture there. It is subtle but lost in the web viewing. IN short, her black garments look better in the print than they do on the web.

3. This made a very "natural" and beautiful portrait that appears very much alive and 3-D.

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IMPRESSIONS STYLE Basics

Why is an Impressions Style Thread Used Here?

Short answer: To get a different kind of discussion going on a posted image, encourage lurkers to participate, and for the artist to learn something about the interpretations or impressions evoked by the image posted.

My Simple Suggestion for this forum: Contribute what you can in photographs, or comments or Impressions (as requested here) and this will be a richer viewing experience for everyone who visits.

IF you are a lurker, this type of thread is a very easy way for you to participate in the forum and you can contribute something and it can be fun. Go ahead and jump in. If you were a lurker before, let me know that too. I am hoping this type of discussion will get more people to participate here as that will enrich the forum.

I believe many people are just lurkers because they feel they cannot post "proof" of their expertise and they may be intimidated from posting anything that would not sound "smart enough" regarding photography and the technical aspects of it. I think the technical discussions are fine for those that want them (in their own threads). I also think there are many others who may not want to get technical and enjoy their photography a different way. This is NOT about technical stuff, so feel free to be poetic or "impressionistic" as that is encouraged.

The development of this new style of thread posting (Impressions) will give an opportunity to many people who do not feel comfortable discussing photos in technical terms.

This type of thread is NOT about technical things (that is "off topic" in this kind of thread), it is simply about how you "see" and "feel" things in the image shown. So, anyone from a rank beginner or newbie to an expert can participate on equal standing. Here is your chance.

A FUN Tip: It is more fun if you look at the image before reading any other Impressions posted by others. So take a look, get an impression, add your impression at the bottom (and please give your first name and city), and then take a minute to read some of the earlier postings. You might chuckle or smile as you see how others see the same image.
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How an Impressions Discussion Works:

This is the 64th Impressions Thread I have started. IF you have never read one of these before, please read the middle and bottom of this thread before viewing the photo or posting your comments.

This type of thread or discussion is NOT about technical critiques. IF you don't understand what I mean by "Impressions," simply spend a few minutes reading below or on the linked page where the image is shown. I give tips on this type of thread and answer some questions people have asked me here before.

I have put the link to the image closer to the top of this post to make it quick and easy to find. The other detailed text below the portrait introduction is for those who want to read it or need some guidance on this new approach to discussion threads here on the forum. Over time, I will reduce the amount of text as I believe others here on the forum begin to understand the intent of this type of discussion or "Impression" thread. You are encouraged to leave your Impressions (as described below) but I do ask that you leave "Impressions" as that is the topic. IF you missed the other earlier Impressions threads I started, simply look back in the forum or search for a thread with topics starting "Your Impression?" and you will find them.


IF you feel a need to debate the value of Impressions versus Technical Criticism, then please do not do it in this thread (as that is "off topic"), and instead do it in the thread where that debate IS the topic of discussion, here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/649345

You might also enjoy reading the different "Impressions about Impressions" thread here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/653643

It is very simple. Here is my request: To add positive value to this thread or discussion, please share your "Impressions" of the figure or face or expression or action or "total image" in the photo you see. Put very simply: "What do you see or sense about the person in the photo?" Also, please tell me your First Name + City when you give me your Impression. That is important for my Global Impressions Project (A few paragraphs describing my project are found on the page linked to the image page. You will find it on the second page if you want to know more.)

Also, I encourage you to post your own "Impressions" thread with a photo some time. Reading the variety of Impressions is very satisfying and helpful to any artist who is interested in how a work of art (photo) affects a viewer or viewers. So, try it some time. My Simple Suggestion: Place the word "Impression" as the first word of your topic title for the thread and then people will know you want Impressions rather than technical criticism. The rest is up to you.



Dec 02, 2008 at 11:25 AM
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My initial impression is I don't like it. Her pose seems forced the crossed hands well who stands like that. If I walked in aroom and I saw her standing there with that look on her face I would make it a point to avoid her. Her lack of expression make her appear cold . So much so that I don't see any warmth in her eyes. I feel bad not to say anything more positive but the expression evokes that strong a response with me. Technically I love the image.


Dec 02, 2008 at 12:10 PM
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Steady:

I'm having a harder time with this one, but I'll give it a go anyway.

First off, she has beautiful hands. If I were to see her out of context, and see her hands in this kind of position, I might think painist as she has long, lean and graceful hand position, lightly and naturally curved, ready to play. Her eyes are also beautiful... but the message is uncertain. It's, to me, like she's asking me my opinion. Her performance is done - what is my reaction to it. Waiting for approval. Hoping that she, or the music, has touched me as it did her.

Another excellent portrait, but I have come to expect that. But I have to say that I also prefer the more natural appearances of the past 2 of this lovely lady. There's more pleasure in her while she performs. This one is a question mark. And I'm not sure it it's her expression or the fact that she's posed that is asking the question - almost like she'd rather be playing.

I hope this is of some value to you and your wonderful series!

Regards

Norman Wilson
Comox, BC, Canada.



Dec 02, 2008 at 12:42 PM
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I enjoy the composure and the lighting on her face. I feel that a big more separation from the background would make her pop just a little bit more!


Dec 02, 2008 at 12:56 PM
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I love the eyes... But with the face straight on, it looks "2D". Her expressions seems too serious... But not in the fashion modeling serious way... I thought this was taken with a softbox or something... nice!


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ok, I like it ! First impression is "Cold" not sure if that was what you were going for or not.

Kinda the artist alone working on her craft forsaking all others kinda feel.

I dig it ! could be the same context as one of us hanging over an enlarger back in the day. Alone in the dark room for hours. These days I think a photog hanging over a computer would be too warm, know what I mean?

my $0.02 :-)

Thanx for sharing !

Larry
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hhski wrote:
My initial impression is I don't like it. Her pose seems forced the crossed hands well who stands like that. If I walked in aroom and I saw her standing there with that look on her face I would make it a point to avoid her. Her lack of expression make her appear cold . So much so that I don't see any warmth in her eyes. I feel bad not to say anything more positive but the expression evokes that strong a response with me. Technically I love the image.



Hi.

This may surprise you, but the "I don't like it" comment/impression does not bother me at all.

What I look for in these impressions discussions is an honest sharing of how people respond to an image or feel about the image or subject. THAT may include a range of "impressions." I don't expect everyone to feel the same or see the same. And you did offer the reasons why you don't like it and how you see it. Those are helpful impressions too.

You wrote that you see a lack of expression.

I don't see it that way.

I see a very pronounced "expression" and it is a strong one.

It may not be "friendly and welcoming" or "cute" or "inviting" but it is there (to my eyes).

In comparison to the other earlier images of this woman/pianist, this one does have a different expression. It is "stark" and somewhat "challenging" as I see it. It is a "powerful" expression and very direct.

I don't see "warmth" in these eyes either. But....that is not the intent with this image.

So this image is a "counterpoint" to some of the others.

Thank you for participating in the discussion AND for sharing your impression too.



Dec 02, 2008 at 01:46 PM
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njw wrote:
Steady:

I'm having a harder time with this one, but I'll give it a go anyway.

First off, she has beautiful hands. If I were to see her out of context, and see her hands in this kind of position, I might think painist as she has long, lean and graceful hand position, lightly and naturally curved, ready to play. Her eyes are also beautiful... but the message is uncertain. It's, to me, like she's asking me my opinion. Her performance is done - what is my reaction to it. Waiting for approval. Hoping that she, or the music, has touched me
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Hi Norman,

Thanks for adding your well thought impressions above.

Those observations are good ones too.

A key difference in this image is the fact that this is a posed photo (she was asked to stand there) and that she is NOT playing the piano.

In one of my earlier posts using this pianist, I wrote that she is like a "chameleon" in the sense that she has a very expressive face that changes with apparent moods. So, this is one.

What we see in this image may be "more challenging" to us viewers.

I also used another analogy earlier (like pepper) and I think of that here too. The "sauce" is more complex when we hit some "spice" every now and then. So the range of expressions makes for a more complex mix.

You wrote that it looks like she is asking your opinion on her performance. I think that is a good impression too. I can imagine her saying "So...what do you think?" And she already knows the answer (or the answer she expects).

You mentioned "she would rather be playing." I get that too.






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Nicholas Croke wrote:
I enjoy the composure and the lighting on her face. I feel that a big more separation from the background would make her pop just a little bit more!


Hi Nicholas.

I understand.





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4honor wrote:
I love the eyes... But with the face straight on, it looks "2D". Her expressions seems too serious... But not in the fashion modeling serious way... I thought this was taken with a softbox or something... nice!


Hi,

Glad to see you in an impressions discussion.

This "serious" look is something musicians seem attracted to as an expression. Who can say why an "artist" has to be seen as "serious." I don't think so.

But...it is an expression on the range of expressions.

Your remark about 2D is something I usually make to others who have a lack of shadows on a face, so I know just what you mean.

IF I could take this shot again (and use a more directional light source) I would try to create a more "shadowed" face.

I am glad you liked the eyes.




Dec 02, 2008 at 01:59 PM
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Holy hand grenades batman! Yikes! This photo really works for her.

She's studying you alright! Very intense. The look is one that is challenging you, perhaps to measure up to her standards. Professorly (? is that even a word). Extremely confident to the point of intimidating. She seems to be thinking , "Are you up for my question", what I am about to do or say next. The look is firm, bordering perhaps on stern. The eyes slightly up lead me to the feeling she is about to say something.

The hand position works, but it strikes me as weak compared to the facial expression.

And yes, the eyes make the photo.



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M-E-P wrote:
ok, I like it ! First impression is "Cold" not sure if that was what you were going for or not.

Kinda the artist alone working on her craft forsaking all others kinda feel.

I dig it ! could be the same context as one of us hanging over an enlarger back in the day. Alone in the dark room for hours. These days I think a photog hanging over a computer would be too warm, know what I mean?

my $0.02 :-)

Thanx for sharing !

Larry
NYC


Hi Larry,

Thanks for adding your impression too.

I think I know just what you mean.

I probably get this same look when interrupted from "playing" in the darkroom.

And I do know what you mean about hanging over the computer too. Toasty.

Your impression of "cold" is a valid one.

Thanks again.




Dec 02, 2008 at 02:02 PM
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Damn, Steady .. this picture !

Following this beautiful pianist via your previous posted "impressions", I realize that I was far from the reality. It's like she's in the room with us ...

"Pourquoi ?

Tu pensais exprimer mon être en décrivant mon art, mais tu me limitait ainsi. Mon art n'est que l'expression de ce que je suis, humaine et femme avant tout, et je vais à présent t'apprendre ce que tu n'as pu comprendre en écoutant ma musique"

"Why ?

You thinked that you expressed my entity while describing my art, but you limited me so. My art is the expression of what I'm, human and woman over all and I will tell you know what you did'nt learned listening my music."

thanks steady, I enjoy this picture.

Yves



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Y_vdm wrote:
Damn, Steady .. this picture !

Following this beautiful pianist via your previous posted "impressions", I realize that I was far from the reality. It's like she's in the room with us ...

"Pourquoi ?

Tu pensais exprimer mon être en décrivant mon art, mais tu me limitait ainsi. Mon art n'est que l'expression de ce que je suis, humaine et femme avant tout, et je vais à présent t'apprendre ce que tu n'as pu comprendre en écoutant ma musique"

"Why ?

You thinked that you expressed my entity while describing my art, but you limited me so. My art is the expression of what
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Bonjour Y + M

Yves....You ALWAYS surprise me with your Impressions!

This one really made me smile and "got me" too. YOU see things so creatively and from such a "free" interpretation that it amazes me time and time again (repeatedly) how you see and FEEL these images.

I know just what you mean in your impression note/poem too.

Wonderfully written and....again...I felt like I was reading the thoughts of the subject in the photo. Well done!

Not many people have your brilliant imagination. I feel honored that you take the time to write those thoughts in these discussions. Really.

I am so glad you responded to a "strong note" from the pianist this time.

The look she has is one I see as "defiance" and "strong" and that is a feeling that women sometimes have difficulty projecting without using their arms and legs (as often seen in contemporary photos) or props that convey power (e.g. guns etc.). Because she is standing behind a large blocking object and her hands are very relaxed looking...it may seem to be at odds with her facial expression (this creates tension) and it may be "confusing" to some observers (this "may" be intentional folks..) and it may seem "confrontational" too to other observers...(also intentional folks)....but it carries a different "facet" of her personality.

I thought it was "revealing" of another part of a person. So this is one of my favorites. Not for any "technical" reason, but rather for just being another "side" of a personality.

And...she is a very nice/sweet person folks.

But, like many women...there is another deeper part of personality that is seldom revealed (at least by most women, in public).

That is how "I see it."



Dec 02, 2008 at 04:46 PM
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Steady -

You have a beautiful website, and the images as a whole are awesome, including this one.

The question I have is, Zenfolio looks really nice - I'm thinking of signing up for it. How do u like it?

Sorry for going off topic!

Thanks.



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Gordon walker wrote:
Holy hand grenades batman! Yikes! This photo really works for her.

She's studying you alright! Very intense. The look is one that is challenging you, perhaps to measure up to her standards. Professorly (? is that even a word). Extremely confident to the point of intimidating. She seems to be thinking , "Are you up for my question", what I am about to do or say next. The look is firm, bordering perhaps on stern. The eyes slightly up lead me to the feeling she is about to say something.

The hand position works, but it strikes me as weak
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Hey Gordon.

THAT was a very nice impression you shared.

Thank you very much for putting it just as you did. Perfect!

You "see" it as I hoped others would. Not that it is the only interpretation of course, and I do appreciate other impressions too.

But...you did see something I was hoping to capture with her. And...that sense you mention of "professorily" looking at me/us/camera? I think that is right too.

This has a "power of authority" look to it (to my eyes).

And her hands. I am glad you mention that too.

As I see it, the graceful relaxed look of her hands is a counterpoint to the intense look of her eyes/face. This is a "balance of tension" and it is intended to show two very different things at once (Yin/Yang). On the "one hand" it looks relaxed and graceful. On the other, it looks "confrontational" or "aggressive." Those two extremes in one figure is "hard" to pull off but what I wanted to try to get in this image. (believe it or not)

Recently I was asked if I make an image or take an image. In short, do I "pose" people or what? Or do I "see" the image prior to making it.

The answer is complex, but in this case I imagined a certain kind of look I wanted with a certain kind of tension and power. By talking with the pianist and engaging her in a variety of points (this takes some flexibility), I was able to see the facial response I wanted to capture. CLICK! That was it.

I really did enjoy your impression (I am still smiling too).

You should read the one from Yves. His came right after yours, but his impression strikes me as being of a similar POV...I bet you will enjoy reading his too.

Good light to you!

Who has another POV?



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epuja wrote:
Steady -

You have a beautiful website, and the images as a whole are awesome, including this one.

The question I have is, Zenfolio looks really nice - I'm thinking of signing up for it. How do u like it?

Sorry for going off topic!

Thanks.


Hi.

I will do better than that.

Post an Impression on this image, and I will send you some good and helpful info via a PM.



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Steady Hand wrote:
Hi.

I will do better than that.

Post an Impression on this image, and I will send you some good and helpful info via a PM.


Perfect



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Steady-

My impressions

(1) The dress and necklace are beautiful
(2) The piano is beautiful (I love music, and I can imagine the sounds it would produce)
(3) The lighting is perfect.
(4) The lady is also beautiful - but I cannot understand her expression - Seems like either she is unhappy or forcing herself to "pose", I personally like natural poses, this one seems a bit unnatural for some reason.
(5) The picture is extremely sharp edge to edge, I'd be curious as to the equipment you used and settings - although this has nothing to do with the actual image.

Overall I like everything about this picture except for her facial expression. Technically it's perfect, including the black and white conversion.



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epuja wrote:
Perfect


(brevity again)

Zenfolio?

"Recommended."



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