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p.2 #1 · Rokkor Forum

i'm hoping ZE winds up doing better than some of the initial reports, because in theory, ZE is a great thing.

The Oly craze is still pumping along, although it seems to have a little less steam than this time last year.

Zeiss C/Y is always a strong player in the scene, because of lenses like the 28/2.8, 85/2.8, and obviously the wider lenses (18, 21).

M42, i'm glad to say, is seeming to lose some glimmer. This is my least favorite of the alt mounts, because most of the (once) cheap lenses have inflated in value nearly 10X (or more?!) in recent years. I STRONGLY disagree as to the average Takumar's value in real world use.

Nikon F is my favorite system. Has been for a while, even when i was a strong Canon shooter. They might not have the best lenses in most applications, but they are strong (enough) performers very often, and the availability is there. I am very happy with the Nikkors i can afford, and this is the main reason i am going to the D700. I -CAN- build a good Nikkor system on my budget, and have native F mount. I am more excited about this than anything gear-related i've experienced in the past few years, photographically.

Leica R, as always, has very strong proponents for many lenses. Some, if not most, of the R lenses are great- but priced out of the average alt user's range. This pretty much limits the discussion of the R's in here i think.

The Rokkors, i believe, are so damned popular right now for a few reasons-

the 58, for all intensive purposes, -is- a great lens. I am not denying this.
up until recently, they were largely unknown to the DSLR crowd.
up until recently, most Rokkors could be bought for next to nothing- only now is the value really starting to climb on some of them.

I agree with PDMphoto that some of the rokkors are nothing special, for all the trouble of converting them.

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Dec 02, 2008 at 10:02 PM

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p.2 #2 · Rokkor Forum

Sounds like you have outgrown the Alternative Gear forum.

Dec 02, 2008 at 10:06 PM

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p.2 #3 · Rokkor Forum

ISO1600 wrote:
... The Oly craze ...
... Zeiss C/Y is always a strong player ...
... M42, i'm glad to say, is seeming to lose some glimmer...
... Nikon F is my favorite system...
... The Rokkors, i believe, are so damned popular ...

Each one has his/her own truth. That's the beauty of these forums.

Dec 03, 2008 at 01:12 AM

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p.2 #4 · Rokkor Forum

Well from what I have seen there were the Zuiko craze, the Super Tak craze, the Carl Zeiss craze, the Leica craze, The Rokkor craze and the Canon FD craze. Most of them are the lenses adaptable or convertible to the EOS bodies.

Partly is because the EOS body has a 44 mm flange to sensor distance and it is easier to adapt or convert other lenses.

I kept on being amazed at what has been done by just normal photographers out there. In days converting and adapting a lens was left up to a few people.

Dec 03, 2008 at 05:28 AM

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p.2 #5 · Rokkor Forum

ISO1600 wrote:

I agree with PDMphoto that some of the rokkors are nothing special, for all the trouble of converting them.

I agree too that some are nothing special. For these I do think that the thrill of the conversion is what attracts people.

I only have the 58 and the 24 VFC is on it´s way. These are truly special lenses that deserves a new mount!

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Dec 03, 2008 at 08:30 AM

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p.2 #6 · Rokkor Forum

i'm not saying the 58 sucks, just to be clear

Dec 03, 2008 at 12:03 PM

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p.2 #7 · Rokkor Forum

I think the point is that the Rokkors were (until relatively recently) an unknown quantity in the digital age, due to their obsolete mount.

We know the 58/1.2 is awesome, but we don't know enough about the rest to conclude that they are "just average" or "not worth the conversion effort".

I suspect this is why people are converting so many different ones now. How else will we know what other diamonds are hiding in the rough?

BTW, the 85/1.7 is certainly worth the effort. No question about that.

Dec 03, 2008 at 03:01 PM

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p.2 #8 · Rokkor Forum

Yes, I agree, this is a discovery phase for Rokkors.

I have to put in a vote for the 28/2.0.

And, I wish I had that mint 17/4, that I passed along to a collector. Never knew how it performed on a Canon.

Dec 03, 2008 at 04:40 PM

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p.2 #9 · Rokkor Forum

JimBuchanan wrote:...And, I wish I had that mint 17/4, that I passed along to a collector. Never knew how it performed on a Canon.

Hi Jim, I did the conversion of MD 17/4, this lens is beauty !,
but I think CZ 21 is better. Please look at my flickr
Greeting to LA.

Dec 03, 2008 at 05:32 PM

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p.2 #10 · Rokkor Forum

The performance of most Rokkors on digital bodies was unknown. Some lenses are certainly nothing special on digital or film. But it is hard to know if a lens is special without converting it first. Conversion is a struggle sometimes which adds a disproportionate amount of activity to the lens itself.

Also, a lens can be overlooked for years before being newly found useful and cost effective. The Olympus 28/3.5 would fall into that category.

Also, if the forum is discussing something that is not someone's cup of tea, either move on or start your own thread.

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Dec 03, 2008 at 06:53 PM

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p.2 #11 · Rokkor Forum

If this thread really was a Rokkor Forum thread, for and by the people who actually use and like this lens I know I would check in here regularly.

Disregarding all the optical qualities of the lens, I think the Rokkor 58 is also a perfect lens when it comes to handling. The focus throw, size and gripability is so much higher on this lens than most if not all of my 30+ other alts that it certainly deserves the credit it gets for those reasons alone. Very recently I got a 9-blade 50 SMC takumar and I am sure it is a nice lens, but the handling is so much worse than on the Rokkor, that it will never be seen on my 5D again.

Dec 03, 2008 at 10:03 PM

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p.2 #12 · Rokkor Forum

Lets not forget that Minolta went to alot of trouble to ensure that from one lens to the next, they all had similar drawing styles. This set minolta apart from any other lens maker, even to this day. It also means though, some sacrifces were made. Some lenses may be more prone to flare, etc. To bad the FM boards are not broken down even further, so when you enter into this ALT area, we could have sub forums on various brands plus a few others like general etc.

Dec 03, 2008 at 11:14 PM

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p.2 #13 · Rokkor Forum

I could whip up a board like that in a couple of hours. My modest server has handled smaller sized forums like this in the past.

If enough of you state here that you'll use it, then I'll built it.

Sounds like a few people would be happy to have it, and others would be happy to see us go (?)

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Dec 03, 2008 at 11:32 PM

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p.2 #14 · Rokkor Forum

Paul that would be nice to have own rokkor forum, then we should expand it and add canon fd on eos bodies.

Dec 03, 2008 at 11:35 PM

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p.2 #15 · Rokkor Forum

Dim.ka_ wrote:
Paul that would be nice to have own rokkor forum, then we should expand it and add canon fd on eos bodies.

+1

Pretty cool idea.

Dec 03, 2008 at 11:43 PM

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p.2 #16 · Rokkor Forum

Rokkors and FD seem to have alot of potential.

Paul Yi wrote:
Dim.ka_ wrote:
Paul that would be nice to have own rokkor forum, then we should expand it and add canon fd on eos bodies.

+1

Pretty cool idea.

Dec 04, 2008 at 12:53 AM

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p.2 #17 · Rokkor Forum

How about a forum dedicated to lens conversions/mods of any sort?

We can call it "Adapters are for Nancy-boys".

esanchez wrote:
+2

Dec 04, 2008 at 12:59 AM

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p.2 #18 · Rokkor Forum

Lens conversions, adapters and mods. That would be interesting.

There are only a finite number of models to convert. When you have done those what are you going to tinker with?

Rodney

Dec 04, 2008 at 02:12 AM

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p.2 #19 · Rokkor Forum

cogitech wrote

If enough of you state here that you'll use it, then I'll built it.

Sounds like a few people would be happy to have it, and others would be happy to see us go (?)

Great idea Paul,
I'd use it too. The Alternative Gear and Lenses Fourm might die off though

JayT

Dec 04, 2008 at 02:28 AM

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p.2 #20 · Rokkor Forum

don't bother setting up another forum, the web is littered with them already. between here, MFlenses, Manualfocus.org - there's plenty of choices already.

-Ed

Dec 04, 2008 at 02:36 AM

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p.2 #21 · Rokkor Forum

I like the current alt forum with the wide range of cross pollination of threads, ideas, modifications, image posts, ramblings etc. Not so sure if slicing the pie into thinner slices is a good thing or not.

Dec 04, 2008 at 02:52 AM

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p.2 #22 · Rokkor Forum

PhotoMaximum wrote:
I like the current alt forum with the wide range of cross pollination of threads, ideas, modifications, image posts, ramblings etc. Not so sure if slicing the pie into thinner slices is a good thing or not.

I'm not thinking an exclusive Rokkor forum, and I surely appreciate the diversity around here as well. It just seems that a place for lens conversion/modding might fill a bit of a void. As of now, there are a few of us sprinkled about the various internet sites. It might be nice to concentrate the efforts, discussions, methods, etc. on one site.

Dec 04, 2008 at 03:00 AM

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p.2 #23 · Rokkor Forum

Paul, if you want to do this let me know: I do web design on the side. It would be a matter of picking the right CMS or bulletin board and designing some kind of interface...

If enough folks used the site then ads would pay the bills...

Max

Dec 04, 2008 at 03:06 AM

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p.2 #24 · Rokkor Forum

There is also a site called minman, I think its on yahoo groups. I don't dare speak about conversions there though, its strictly a manual focus film minolta group. I have done alot of reading, trying to gather opions on lenses.

My thought was not to start a new forum elsewhere though, but to subdivide alt gear by manufacturer.

Dec 04, 2008 at 03:19 AM

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p.2 #25 · Rokkor Forum

Ed Sawyer wrote:
don't bother setting up another forum, the web is littered with them already. between here, MFlenses, Manualfocus.org - there's plenty of choices already.

-Ed

+1

Dec 04, 2008 at 10:32 AM


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