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p.1 #1 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Shot this session in October....then, combined with a ton of other work, never got around to posting on here...interested in C & C...Needless to say I have already had some interaction with the senior and her parents...but still interested in fellow photogs opinions.

1,2,3






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    85 mm    f/3.2    1/200 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    85 mm    f/3.2    1/250 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    85 mm    f/3.2    1/100 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



Dec 01, 2008 at 02:37 AM
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p.1 #2 · Senior Session- Tiffany


4,5,6








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    85 mm    f/3.2    1/100 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    135 mm    f/3.2    1/100 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    135 mm    f/3.2    1/100 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



Dec 01, 2008 at 02:38 AM
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p.1 #3 · Senior Session- Tiffany


7,8,9






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    85 mm    f/3.2    1/160 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    85 mm    f/3.2    1/160 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    75 mm    f/3.2    1/80 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



Dec 01, 2008 at 02:39 AM
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p.1 #4 · Senior Session- Tiffany


10,11,12






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    75 mm    f/3.2    1/100 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    60 mm    f/3.2    1/100 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  








  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    45 mm    f/3.2    1/80 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



Dec 01, 2008 at 02:40 AM
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p.1 #5 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Last one...Lucky 13






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    54 mm    f/3.2    1/80 sec    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



Dec 01, 2008 at 02:40 AM
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p.1 #6 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Hi,

I noticed this post has had 150+ views by other members/visitors and not a single person was kind enough to give you any comments.

I will try to help get the comments going for you.

My Simple Suggestions:

1. Avoid cutting off the hands at the wrist.

2. Avoid trees

3. White Balance for shade when in shade

4. Avoid poses looking over a rail

5. Avoid "little girl" poses with a young woman.

6. Check the histogram and use "over exposure" warning if shooting in high intensity sunlight so you don't blow the hightlights due to overexposure.

7. Let the girl be seen standing (without all the stuff blocking our view of her).

I hope these comments help you.

Dec 01, 2008 at 04:21 AM
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p.1 #7 · Senior Session- Tiffany


The cut off hands/fingers are somewhat distracting though you have hit several "standard" senior poses. Your white balance seems to be very different in many of the shots though. Most of that can probably be fixed in post.

Dec 01, 2008 at 04:35 AM
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p.1 #8 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Thanks for the comments...and suggestions...much appreciated!
Keith

Dec 01, 2008 at 04:42 AM
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p.1 #9 · Senior Session- Tiffany


hi hklukas, nice shots and beautiful model. i'm just wondering, what kind of lightings did you use?

Dec 01, 2008 at 05:01 AM
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p.1 #10 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Steady Hand wrote:


1. Avoid cutting off the hands at the wrist.

2. Avoid trees

3. White Balance for shade when in shade

4. Avoid poses looking over a rail

5. Avoid "little girl" poses with a young woman.

6. Check the histogram and use "over exposure" warning if shooting in high intensity sunlight so you don't blow the hightlights due to overexposure.

7. Let the girl be seen standing (without all the stuff blocking our view of her).

I hope these comments help you.


+1

Also, don't be afraid to raise your ISO to avoid using on camera fill. A cheap 5-1 reflector and natural light, or using your flash off camera would of helped the photos greatly. Also, can't tell but some look soft, raise that shutter speed if you get some camera shake.

Cheers,
Thomas


Dec 01, 2008 at 05:10 AM
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p.1 #11 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Very attractive senior. Some of these could use more light on her face. At the same time, many of them suffer from an on-camera flash look. I also think some of the poses look a little awkward. #5 and #6 make her left arm look overly big, and we don't see her hand. I prefer bent elbows. I also agree with the rest of Steady's comments.

Tim

Dec 01, 2008 at 05:34 AM
 



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p.1 #12 · Senior Session- Tiffany


except for #13, all i see is "forced smile"

greg

Dec 01, 2008 at 05:40 AM
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p.1 #13 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Despite the size of her arm, #5 & #6 are the best of the set, in my opinion. With #6 being my favorite for composition and a nicely balanced exposure of the subject and the background.

If you are lucky enough to have a subject with very long hair, use it to your advantage! Hair can be posed as well and does wonders for slimming faces and making ordinary photos more dramatic.


Thanks!
Bruce


Dec 01, 2008 at 06:29 AM
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p.1 #14 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Hi Keith,

You have lots of photos so I am only going to comment on a few of them. Hopefully it can help you improve your work!

#1 - Looks great to me. Eyes could be sharper though.

#3 - "Where'd My Hands Go?". Try to avoid crops where hands are cut. Either repose, zoom in/out, or recompose the photo when you are taking it.

#4 - She looks like you told her to place her hand like that for the photo. It doesn't look natural at all. Photo is too tight and centered. Also her knee is showing.

#5 - Too much empty space on the left. Her head is too far to the upper right. Remember the rule of thirds and position important aspects of the photo in those intersection points. White balance is off?

#6 - This one works much better for me. You can see this photo much better applies the rule of thirds. I wish there was more of her hand showing. It seems to disappear into the grass. Always be on the lookout for poses that might seem natural to you and the model but are in fact cutting off some limbs/appendages because of the angle.

#11 - Legs in the air poses are tough to make look good. I can't quite place why ... but I don't think this one works. I think it is because the legs bent upwards and because of the angle it makes her look super short and dwarf like? Also it is too centered.

#12 - The tree doesn't add much to the photo. The empty space on the right also doesn't add much. Her pose seems not very natural and she looks like she is about to smile/laugh?

#13 - GREAT SMILE! But it is again too centered for my liking and you now have the dreaded tree-coming-out-of-head look.

People photography is tough. But if you just pay attention to a couple basics you should be able to see some noticeable improvements with some minor adjustments:
- Rule of Thirds. Study it. Memorize it. Apply it. After you mastered that you can learn when to break that rule and not use it in all your photos.
- White Balance. Aim for consistency between shots more so than "accurate". White balance can be a creative tool for you to express yourself, so even if it is set to what wasn't the right quite right at the time it can still be creative. When all the shots vary in white balance it shows you're not correcting it properly in Photoshop.
- Shoot lots and ONLY show the VERY best photos. This one is easy. Just keep shooting away. Take lots and lots of photos. But only post a select few. It's tough narrowing it down but it also helps when you critique and analyze your photos in such a way. Also your portfolio and work looks better and makes you a better photographer when you ONLY show your best work.

Those were the easy suggestions. Now the hard ones:
- Your posing and model interaction needs some work. You can learn the technique of posing from books and on the internet but I find it really depends on each individual model as everyone looks different, and not all poses work for all people. This comes with practice.
- Model interaction and getting them to show emotion is tough as well. It comes when you shoot more and more with a model or get them to relax. Shoot some regular boring stuff at the beginning and start talking to your model and getting to know them. You will never get good relaxed shots at the beginning so feel free to waste some time at the start using crappier locations getting the model warmed up before moving on to the better locations.

I hope this helps!

Regards,
Spencer

Dec 01, 2008 at 11:52 AM
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p.1 #15 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Color shifts all over the place
Fingers cut off
Harsh lighting
Jacked up shoulders
Hair Band on the wrist
Hair is all over
Jacket is a wreck
Not a very good job balancing your strobe and ambient
Blown highlights in the jacket on one, under on her face

Cute girl though.

Dec 01, 2008 at 12:34 PM
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p.1 #16 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Overall these are nicely posed and composed in the frame with flattering facial angles and good lighting strategies. However the lighting is all over the map exposure-wise and the fill flash is flat looking which are basic technical issues.

Exposure: To get correct exposure with fill flash, especially when using the Av / ETTL flash combination, its necessary to first get the ambient lit highlights exposed correctly. If you blow the ambient highlights, as on the coat in #1 if will confuse the flash metering. Digital must be correctly exposed for the highlights but judging when highlights are correctly exposed can be difficult in portraits because many subjects don't have textured white tones in them. I nail exposure every time in portraits by using a proxy for those highlights, a white terry towel held close to the face.



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The concept is quite simple. Using the over-exposure warning of the playback as a guide I check the image of the towel and first adjust the ambient exposure until the sun-lit portions of the towel are correctly exposed, with detail such as in this high-speed flash test shot:



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Perceptually that shot looks under-exposed and it is, but only on the shadow-side. But that's due to the fact the sensor can't handle the contrast range of the scene which pushes the middle-tones and shadows darker than normal; i.e., as typically perceived by eye in a similar situation with adaptable human eye sight. But getting the back-lit highlights right in Av mode in the technical sense of not blowing the highlights is necessary with Canon ETTL flash for the camera to get the flash fill portion correct. In the shot above it was necessary to dial in - 1-2/3 stops of EC. Once the ambient exposure was correct in the highlights I simply turned on the flash and let the evaluative metering do its thing with this result at FEC = 0:



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With the ambient set correctly, retaining detail in the white textured highlights, the camera was able to add frontal fill in sufficient amounts to exactly match the backlighting. Perceptually this result may look over-exposed in the foreground because if seeing that same thing by eye we'd perceive the shadow side as being darker. But technically, the foreground is reproduced, in the abstract, perfectly as FEC =0 should expose it when just the target is evaluated:



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If shooting a portrait I would have dialed in minus 2/3 - 1 stop FEC to make the foreground a bit darker, biasing the foreground from being correctly exposed in the technical sense to make it look more realistic perceptually.

So the points I'm trying to make here are that you need to get ambient exposure correct in the technical sense of not blowing any highlight detail for automatic flash exposure to work correctly by evaluation of just the highlights because your perception of the overall scene by eye will seem underexposed: trust the feedback from the towel and OEW. Then when you add the fill flash, adjust its power perceptually by eye until you get the desired balance of correctly exposed sun-lit highlights on the subject and how bright the face in the shadows looks.

Fill flash position:

Using flash outdoors in backlight is the same as using a single flash indoors with respect to how the light hits a face. To get flattering modeling on a face with a single light the most effective strategy is to raise it directly above the lens of the camera which does two very important things which model and flatter the face:

1) It hides distracting shadows: Its the shadows, not just highlights which define shape, which is way flash near the camera axis produces such flat 2D rendering. But as flash is moved off axis the nose creates a shadow. That shadow can either perfectly define the shape of the nose by perfectly covering half of it, or hang off the nose sideways into the opposite cheek and eye becoming a distraction. It's necessary to move a flash about 45 degrees to either side to get the perfect 1/2 nose shadow (i.e. short lighting) which just can't be done with flash on camera from the distance needed for portraits. Besides even if the single flash was placed out at 45 degrees, without a second flash on camera for fill the shadows would be dark and distracting. A more effective and flattering lighting strategy with a single flash is to raise it vertically, in the same direction the nose is on the face, so the nose shadow -- the biggest potential distraction -- falls down under the nose where it is not noticed.

2) It creates a natural "mask" pattern on the face: Ever consider how the brain figures out a pattern of highlight and shadow contrat on a screen or print represents a 3D face? It's done with pattern recognition. Your brain sub-consciously matched the pattern with memories of faces and 3D objects you have seen in person. Because its subconscious you don't realize it is happening, but to effectively light a face it is very helpful to understand the how it works and use it to your advantage.

Most natural and artificial light sources are overhead. So that means a "natural" lighting pattern is created by light from above the head. Light from above the head hits the raised parts of the face such as the forehead, ridge of nose, tops of cheeks, protruding mouth and skin and also creates shadows down and to the side opposite the direction of the light. That "mask" of highlight and shadow is what helps the brain recognize there is a face in the photo, even if the photo is blurred as in this example:



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That diamond shaped pattern of highlights on forehead, cheeks and chin, surrounded by shadows, are like the landing lights of an airport runway telling the brain of the viewer "Here's the face".

The simple expedient of raising your fill flash on a bracket will created that very desirable and flattering downward pattern for the fill flash in a backlit situation with sunlight or when a second flash is used behind the subject for rim light:



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Flash raised on a bracket with a diffuser is also quite flattering indoors with single flash for the same reasons: no harsh shadows on the face and downward 3D modeling via the mask pattern:



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So when I recommend you use a camera-flip bracket for your fill that's why: you will get much more flattering fill flash...

In terms of exposure control, in a backlight situation I would control exposure manually by first selecting the aperture desired for DOF then using the towel test target to find the shutter speed needed for correct exposure of the highlights. Since your subject-camera distance will change when shooting I'd stick to ETTL and evaluative flash metering, which keys off the highlights. Once you dial in the amount of FEC needed for the desired perceptual level of frontal fill the camera should keep the exposure consistent shot-to-shot in the foreground, but if you radically change the amount of ambient light hitting the front of the subject by changing the pose it will affect fill flash exposure and you'll need to re-adjust FEC to the new scene. FEC is an inter-active process, not something you can set and forget.

Chuck





Dec 01, 2008 at 01:24 PM
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p.1 #17 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Wow! Great info Chuck!

I understand everything you mention except FEC - I wish I understood more about FEC.

Thanks for taking the time to help "teach" - it's very appreciated!

Dec 02, 2008 at 03:23 AM
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p.1 #18 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Thanks for everyone's comments...Spencer, CHuck and all....always appreciated and look forward to making improvements....

Keith

Dec 02, 2008 at 05:10 AM
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p.1 #19 · Senior Session- Tiffany


Wow Chuck, I'm going to have to take some time and study that post, because that is an awesome lesson right there. Thanks so much. Great shoot too, Keith. I think the other guys that see way better than me have hit most of the stuff so I'm not going to rehash, rather I'll just enjoy for now.
-Zach

Dec 02, 2008 at 05:16 AM
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p.1 #20 · Senior Session- Tiffany


impressnow wrote:
Wow! Great info Chuck!

I understand everything you mention except FEC - I wish I understood more about FEC.

Thanks for taking the time to help "teach" - it's very appreciated!


When you mix flash and ambient use M mode and first pick the aperture you need for DOF.

From that point on you control the background brightness (ambient portion) with shutter speed which will not affect the flash lit foreground.

The foreground exposure is controlled separately with the flash power. When you use a flash in ETTL mode the meter of the camera makes an educated guess based on reflected pre-flash how to set the flash power. As distance to the subject increases or decreases the metering decreases or increases flash power to keep the exposure consistent.

When + or - FEC is dialed in it tells the camera to do is to override or "second-guess" the what the camera determined. So if you take your first test shot at FEC and see the foreground is stop too dark, you'd want to increase FEC.

How do you know exposure is under / perfect / over? By looking at the playback, histogram, and overexposure warning. A gap in the histogram on the right side indicated under exposure and stuff blacking out on the over-exposure warning indicates over exposure. Perfect exposure occurs when textured white fabrics and objects wind up about 1/3 stop below blacking out (i.e. clipping) on the camera display.

So when shooting I set the playback to show the histogram and OEW. If I see the clipping warning in non-specular highlights in the flash-lit foreground I dial back FEC a bit. If I see a gap on the right of the histogram I increase FEC until I see the OEW then back off 1/3 stop.

The towel is a proxy for small highlight detail not easily seen on the playback / OEW feedback. If you see the towel begin to clip it also indicates other highlight detail is being blown out. If the towel is reproduced perfectly with texture so too will the skin and light clothing the same distance from the flash.

Chuck




Dec 02, 2008 at 11:56 AM
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p.1 #21 · Senior Session- Tiffany


yeah, there is a lighting and white balance problem here. Looking at the images, the skin tone is tinted pink, yellow, green from frame to frame. I like the poses, her and her smile. Thank you for sharing.
Chuck, Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing.

Dec 02, 2008 at 03:04 PM




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