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Archive 2008 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?

  
 
Greg Feldman
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p.1 #1 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I'd like to know if the original 5D's off-center focus points (particularly the "corner" ones, such as they are) actually work--or are they like the ones on the 20D that might as well not be there at all?


Nov 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM
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p.1 #2 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


If the 20D ones "work" then the 5D ones "work". If not, then no. They behave very similarly.


Nov 26, 2008 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #3 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I had the 5D and 40D at one point. The first thing I noticed on the 40D was that the AF points were so much more sensitive and accurate than the 5D.

The 5D's non-center AF points are not cross-types, hence they will struggle at times.



Nov 26, 2008 at 01:06 PM
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p.1 #4 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3241/3059763849_8c83a38443_o.jpg



F2.5 taken with the focus point all the way to the left in the viewfinder. Since I got my 5D back from Canon I find the outer ones work very good and are acurate. Are they as good or responsive as my 1DMKIII? Heck no but I find them as usable or more so then the ones on the 40D I had.

Matt



Nov 26, 2008 at 01:49 PM
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p.1 #5 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I don't know. I don't think I've used anything other than centre focus point AF and manual focus on my 5D.


Nov 26, 2008 at 03:24 PM
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p.1 #6 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I find them completely useless. Never able to catch focus even on obviously contrasty points.


Nov 26, 2008 at 03:28 PM
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p.1 #7 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I assume 5D has the same peripheral AF points as the 20/30D. If I am right, then this might be useful to you.
The 20/30D outer AF points are inaccurate and imprecise. I have forced myself long and hard to avoid recomposing with large apertures, however, the 20/30D AF has been less than supportive there. Therefore with those cameras I am better off using the center AF and recomposing.

The 40D AF has been improved no doubt. So much so I can finally have some confidence in its peripheral AF points. They latch on faster and more reliably. I am (almost) happy now.




Nov 26, 2008 at 03:50 PM
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p.1 #8 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


ovredal73 wrote:
I find them completely useless. Never able to catch focus even on obviously contrasty points.


Same here...



Nov 26, 2008 at 03:59 PM
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p.1 #9 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


To read some of the comments on this forum (particularly since the 5D II was announced), one would get the impression the outer focus points on the 5D were completely useless. That impression would be wrong.

They work, and I have made plenty of use of them over the past couple years. They are accurate on most contrasty subjects, but don't do well with less contrasty targets. If you experiment with them a bit you will learn their limitations, and will be able to make effective use of them.

The center focus point is simply outstanding, though, and I think a lot of people who complain about the outer points are doing so because they don't work as well as the center point does. The center point is fast and accurate even in low light and with non-contrasty subjects. The outer points aren't.




Nov 26, 2008 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #10 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


When I still had mine, I actually had it perminantly set on the edge focal points (outer most) used in portaiture mostly. They certainly did the job... To be honest, I never had anything to complain about them.


Nov 26, 2008 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #11 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I've used a 5D for several weddings. The outer points work well in very well lit areas, like outdoor ceremony. However for the reception they are pretty much useless since the camera will just keep hunting and hunting and if you are lucky may eventually lock focus.


Nov 26, 2008 at 04:51 PM
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p.1 #12 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I never had an problem with the outer focus points. But, my subjects are usually either static, or pretty big in the view finder (people on the street, bride, etc).


Nov 26, 2008 at 04:51 PM
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p.1 #13 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


They work. You need to understand that some are only sensitive to horizontal contrast and some are only sensitive to vertical contrast and adjust your usage accordingly.


Nov 26, 2008 at 04:54 PM
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p.1 #14 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


And FWIW, I've found the 5D's outer AF points to be slower to lock focus than my 40D's, but I have found that the 5D's are more accurate.


Nov 26, 2008 at 04:55 PM
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p.1 #15 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


What I know for sure is I can't rely on them. But I use them over and over again as I just don't want to believe they are useless. Probably haven't mastered their logic yet.


Nov 26, 2008 at 05:50 PM
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p.1 #16 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


Thanks for the replies. That's an interesting mix of yes and no.

For what it's worth, the ones on my 20D are just about useless to me, whereas I can set my 1D2 to any focus point I want and it nails it instantly. It certainly sounds like I can't expect the latter from a 5D, though it's not clear whether it would be exactly the same as the former. Maybe the 20D would do better with subjects other than what I shoot.



Nov 26, 2008 at 10:51 PM
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p.1 #17 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


thedigitalbean wrote:
I've used a 5D for several weddings. The outer points work well in very well lit areas, like outdoor ceremony. However for the reception they are pretty much useless since the camera will just keep hunting and hunting and if you are lucky may eventually lock focus.


Exactly. When you ask a question like this, you have to set the context. Outside or in a well lit church: solid. Shooting in a studio: great. Landscapes after dawn and before twilight: super. After twilight or in darker rooms, forget about it. And yes, the 5d's AF is modeled on the 20/30d's, with the hidden ai servo sensors added.

What it comes down to, is that when you are at less than good conditions the 5's are single AF point cameras.



Nov 26, 2008 at 11:04 PM
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p.1 #18 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


When photographing kites or large birds against a clear blue sky using auto focus points and AI focus, yes they work well on my 5D. With ANY background clutter at all (or even clouds), I use center focus point, "*", and recompose.


Nov 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM
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p.1 #19 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


This is the reason why i bought and sold 5D 4 times - hope it is not the case for 5D2


Nov 27, 2008 at 02:25 AM
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p.1 #20 · 5D off-center focus points: Do they work?


I've found the outer AF points of my 5D work great and certainly much better than the ones on my EOS 10D, 20D and Elan 7NE. Sure they miss once in a while but usually nail it in any light I can hand hold.


Nov 27, 2008 at 03:56 AM
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