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#60 in a Series of Impressions Threads: "Pastoral & Presto"
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NOTE 1: This post has two photos. I did this on purpose to show two similar but different images that share some common points, but also have a very subtle difference in facial expression. I posted two because by viewing the two images together, one can see the subtle change of her facial expression. Remember...this is "all natural." The pianist is actually playing while I photographed her. This "look" (with the face looking at the keys) is more commonly seen than some of the others I posted earlier (that were also playing). The "look" is of a pianist "playing." Consequently, the eyes appear closed in these images, but....not all "playing images" have closed eyes.

NOTE 2: For the purpose of this post, in addition to any "impression" you want to share/post, please also tell me which of the two facial expressions you prefer.

THE IMAGE LINK: Impressions Image #60 "Pastoral & Presto"
http://www.steadmanuhlich.com/impressions60/index.html

NOTE 3: This image, when viewed over the net may appear softer than it really is as a print due to the saving of a large file for the web. The moment I saw it, I saw this "softening" effect.

Please share your impressions. That helps me as an artist and will be appreciated and enjoyed by the subject too (i.e. the pianist).

NOTE 4: Read the "Tools" and "Techniques" notes below to understand how this image was made without flash and how it captures a natural moment (not posed) as the musician is actually performing a piece of music. I wrote those sections to help you with some tips.

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My Intent or Goal:
Create a Black and White portrait of this woman that shows her unique beauty. For this image I wanted to create an image that captures her while she is playing. I thought her eyes were beautiful (brown), her features very nice and her look refreshingly "natural." This image is one of several I made of her, so she became the subject of several "Impressionistic" images.

This particular image is one of a set to show one of those "moods." This one is one of the more "serious" portrait images. Now...what do YOU see?

The Piano (Prop):
For those of you who like pianos...I am sure you would like to see more of the instrument. This is a 6 foot Steinway Grand piano. The price is about $50,000 or so for this instrument.

The Figure Position (Pose):
She is actually playing the piano. Her fingers are actually pushing keys. And her gaze is down to the keys in a natural "look" so commonly seen in photos of pianists. It is a "natural" position (in action) and not an artificial "pose." The music was beautiful and an important part of her expressions and "pose."

The Light:
She is sitting under multiple overhead "spotlight" sources. Most of my other Pianist Portraits were photographed using natural light from a window. These two images were different because of a different location, different piano, and different light source and type.

The Tools:
My preference is for keeping the use of tools very simple. The image is made with minimal equipment and processing. The lens was a 50mm, set at f1.4 and shutter speed 1/250 sec and shot hand-held (in keeping with my nickname).

The Technique:
The most important things to use during a session like this is...patience and an open mind. Patience to see the image when the light and expression were just right.

Notes:
1. This is part of my Natural Expressions series and part of a project focused on pianists. So, while some "expressions" are very easy to see because of a broad smile, laugh, or scowl, this one is something more subtle, and depends on the body language or expression using the body. I don't expect everyone to see this.

2. This is a greatly reduced file for the web. Unfortunately, the image appears to lose some details at this reduction and also is beginning to show some jpg artifacts from all the saving for different sizes and formats I use on the web and in other media. So...the skin does not look as textured (sharp) (naturally) as it does in the actual print. In the original print (which appears sharper), the individual hairs on her head and her eyelashes are very distinct (as an example) and the skin has a completely natural texture (no smoothing). Also at this size on the web, the contrast is not what one sees in a final print. For example, in the web view, you may see a lack of texture in the highlight areas of the skin (or they may appear 'hot') and in the shadow areas too. In the final print there is a very natural look to the her skin, hair, and the textures of her garment. In fact, in large prints (and on my calibrated monitor) one can see the very subtle tonal differences between the background and the dark hair or black garments. She is wearing black velvet...and that is very difficult to expose while keeping the white keys and highlights at a nice point. The final print has natural texture there. It is subtle but lost in the web viewing. IN short, her black garments look better in the print than they do on the web.

3. This made a very "natural" and beautiful portrait that appears very much alive and 3-D.

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Why is an Impressions Style Thread Used Here?

Short answer: To get a different kind of discussion going on a posted image, encourage lurkers to participate, and for the artist to learn something about the interpretations or impressions evoked by the image posted.

My Simple Suggestion for this forum: Contribute what you can in photographs, or comments or Impressions (as requested here) and this will be a richer viewing experience for everyone who visits.

IF you are a lurker, this type of thread is a very easy way for you to participate in the forum and you can contribute something and it can be fun. Go ahead and jump in. If you were a lurker before, let me know that too. I am hoping this type of discussion will get more people to participate here as that will enrich the forum.

I believe many people are just lurkers because they feel they cannot post "proof" of their expertise and they may be intimidated from posting anything that would not sound "smart enough" regarding photography and the technical aspects of it. I think the technical discussions are fine for those that want them (in their own threads). I also think there are many others who may not want to get technical and enjoy their photography a different way. This is NOT about technical stuff, so feel free to be poetic or "impressionistic" as that is encouraged.

The development of this new style of thread posting (Impressions) will give an opportunity to many people who do not feel comfortable discussing photos in technical terms.

This type of thread is NOT about technical things (that is "off topic" in this kind of thread), it is simply about how you "see" and "feel" things in the image shown. So, anyone from a rank beginner or newbie to an expert can participate on equal standing. Here is your chance.

A FUN Tip: It is more fun if you look at the image before reading any other Impressions posted by others. So take a look, get an impression, add your impression at the bottom (and please give your first name and city), and then take a minute to read some of the earlier postings. You might chuckle or smile as you see how others see the same image.
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How an Impressions Discussion Works:

This is the 60th Impressions Thread I have started. IF you have never read one of these before, please read the middle and bottom of this thread before viewing the photo or posting your comments.

This type of thread or discussion is NOT about technical critiques. IF you don't understand what I mean by "Impressions," simply spend a few minutes reading below or on the linked page where the image is shown. I give tips on this type of thread and answer some questions people have asked me here before.

I have put the link to the image closer to the top of this post to make it quick and easy to find. The other detailed text below the portrait introduction is for those who want to read it or need some guidance on this new approach to discussion threads here on the forum. Over time, I will reduce the amount of text as I believe others here on the forum begin to understand the intent of this type of discussion or "Impression" thread. You are encouraged to leave your Impressions (as described below) but I do ask that you leave "Impressions" as that is the topic. IF you missed the other earlier Impressions threads I started, simply look back in the forum or search for a thread with topics starting "Your Impression?" and you will find them.


IF you feel a need to debate the value of Impressions versus Technical Criticism, then please do not do it in this thread (as that is "off topic"), and instead do it in the thread where that debate IS the topic of discussion, here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/649345

You might also enjoy reading the different "Impressions about Impressions" thread here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/653643

It is very simple. Here is my request: To add positive value to this thread or discussion, please share your "Impressions" of the figure or face or expression or action or "total image" in the photo you see. Put very simply: "What do you see or sense about the person in the photo?" Also, please tell me your First Name + City when you give me your Impression. That is important for my Global Impressions Project (A few paragraphs describing my project are found on the page linked to the image page. You will find it on the second page if you want to know more.)

Also, I encourage you to post your own "Impressions" thread with a photo some time. Reading the variety of Impressions is very satisfying and helpful to any artist who is interested in how a work of art (photo) affects a viewer or viewers. So, try it some time. My Simple Suggestion: Place the word "Impression" as the first word of your topic title for the thread and then people will know you want Impressions rather than technical criticism. The rest is up to you.

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Nov 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM
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Hi,
The link is working now. Fixed!



Nov 24, 2008 at 11:51 AM
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The black and white is nice, but the only emotion is the strong concentration, it lacks the strong emotion for me, plus the angle is just safe- nothing dynamic here...
Thanks for sharing



Nov 24, 2008 at 12:23 PM
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Hello Steady

"Notophile

Elle est notophile, elle collectione les croches et les arpèges, les bémol et les demi-tons. Soudain, en contemplant ses chéries elle pense en avoir perdu une. Une petite note, si petite et ténue qu'elle était devenue sa préférée. Elle la cherche, un peu inquiète.
La voici, retrouvée, cachée sous une touche du Steenway & Sons"

and now with some help from on-line translation tools
"Notophilia

She's notophil, collecting quavers and arpeggios, flats and semitones. Suddenly, contemplating her beloved notes, she think that one is missing. A little note, so humble that she becomes her favorite. She seek, a bit worried.
Here she is ! Found hidden by a key on the Steenway & Sons"

thanks to let us take parts to the musical photography, Steady



Nov 24, 2008 at 01:21 PM
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photosenior wrote:
The black and white is nice, but the only emotion is the strong concentration, it lacks the strong emotion for me, plus the angle is just safe- nothing dynamic here...
Thanks for sharing


Hi,

I understand.

The following may seem like "excuses" to some, but is only an "explanation" offered as part of a discussion of this image and what it represents. A discussion is often better from having different points of view (POV) and so take it as a friendly conversation or dialog...not as a refutation or an argument. In short, all of the following is offered in a friendly tone of voice.

From one POV, I see the images the same way. So your observations are not "incorrect" or "wrong" and I don't find them surprising either.

But, that is one POV.

That is like taking only one "frame" from a movie. Some "frames" or images have very different "emotions" and "expressions" and even "POVs" too. IF not, the entire movie/film would be one endless shot with only one "note" and so pretty boring too.

These images are the "counterpoint" to some of the earlier images I posted. Images that did not look like these...on purpose.

These are intended to "add some base" to the soup. The "spice" and "flavor" then better comes out in the mix with more "unusual" images/notes/flavors. Otherwise, the entire "soup" has one taste "note."

That is the first time I have used a "soup" metaphor with photography!

The "concentration" is what these images are all about.

Like a moment when the pianist is playing the "fast" "Presto" section of the music...she looks down at those fingers moving so quickly. So quickly they are amazing to watch.

Some images of pianists are actually very "stiff" and "impassive" and without emotion...naturally...as the pianist is in a certain "state" during a performance. That is "part" of the range of emotions one sees as the concert pianist performs. In short, they don't all "look alike" at all moments and so we can expect some to show more overt emotion, while others (possibly most) show very little or none.

I know what you mean by the "angle" not being "dynamic" but....some images are designed for "non-dynamic" purposes and intended use. This particular POV is one of many possibilities I see/saw....just one "facet" in the whole...so to speak.

Thanks for adding your impression.



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Y_vdm wrote:
Hello Steady

"Notophile

Elle est notophile, elle collectione les croches et les arpèges, les bémol et les demi-tons. Soudain, en contemplant ses chéries elle pense en avoir perdu une. Une petite note, si petite et ténue qu'elle était devenue sa préférée. Elle la cherche, un peu inquiète.
La voici, retrouvée, cachée sous une touche du Steenway & Sons"

and now with some help from on-line translation tools
"Notophilia

She's notophil, collecting quavers and arpeggios, flats and semitones. Suddenly, contemplating her beloved notes, she think that one is missing. A little note, so humble that she becomes her favorite. She seek, a bit
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Bonjour Yves!

Your impressions never fail to surprise me with their originality and clever use of words!

The one above is "cute" and brought a smile to my face. I liked it very much.

Most especially the line:
"Suddenly, contemplating her beloved notes, she think that one is missing. A little note, so humble that she becomes her favorite. She seek, a bit worried.
Here she is ! "

That is "priceless!"

You really should be a writer. You have a way with words. And in TWO languages no less!



Nov 24, 2008 at 01:55 PM
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I guess the connection between the titles and the photographs is not as clear to me, more so the first one.

The first photo appears to be a part of the piece of music that the musician enjoys, or she is just finishing a difficult portion and is pleased with the outcome and about to move on with the piece. I guess you could also say there is a pleasant serenity displayed there.

The second title may fit better in that it could be a faster part of the piece, but it conveys more intense concentration on the piece of music.

Having heard the music, that may put the rest of us at a disadvantage as to the titles.




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Gordon walker wrote:
I guess the connection between the titles and the photographs is not as clear to me, more so the first one.

The first photo appears to be a part of the piece of music that the musician enjoys, or she is just finishing a difficult portion and is pleased with the outcome and about to move on with the piece. I guess you could also say there is a pleasant serenity displayed there.

The second title may fit better in that it could be a faster part of the piece, but it conveys more intense concentration on the piece of music.

Having
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Hi Gordon,

Good to see you again in an Impressions discussion.

You have a good eye. And an understanding of the music too...and images.

Yes...I wish I could have you hear the music too.

So I do understand your comments above.

The "peaceful sense of serenity" is how I "hear" a pastoral piece of music. I joked with her about this at the time.

The second image is about the concentration...and that is needed with the fast "presto" playing she was doing at the time.

For the second image I also like the title "Lickety Split" but it may not go over too well in the music circles in which she travels.



Nov 24, 2008 at 03:12 PM
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Steady,

I have just been thinking that your "Impressions" posts are a lot of work. It's much harder to give an impression than a critique. On the other hand, when one views a photograph, you have an "impression," I guess I'm not so used to putting it into words.

This post of yours is no different. My impression was immediate, and surprising to me, but still, finding the words are difficult.

I can't really give you my impression on just these two portraits. I've seen too many of this woman to do that. I feel that in a sense, I am getting to know her so my comments need to be taken in that context.

My impression that these two portraits were taken within a short time of one another and the first is the exception, (joy and happiness) and the second is the norm, (concentrating, working).

I think oftentimes artists are by and large solitary people. They may interact with others daily, but they are always alone. They express themselves through music, art, dance, poetry, etc., sometimes because they have to, sometimes because that is all they can do.

I've met a lot of musicians. They are often away from home a great deal, come into town a bit road weary, get something to eat, play the gig, and maybe drive to the next town to sleep. These folks live on the road, doing the only thing they know how to do. It's a lonely existence. They're so good, that even on a bad night when the music isn't really happening, it's still very, very good.

Sometimes though, once in a while, at some point during the gig, magic happens. This is the magic you've experienced before, it is the high that keeps you working hoping it will happen again, and then you give it away to anyone who is there. And you smile.

I see that smile.

Bob



Nov 24, 2008 at 05:29 PM
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these are the 2 best of this series, the images have a life to them not so staged, she is a tough model. great job


Nov 24, 2008 at 05:34 PM
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bob parrish wrote:
Steady,

I have just been thinking that your "Impressions" posts are a lot of work. It's much harder to give an impression than a critique. On the other hand, when one views a photograph, you have an "impression," I guess I'm not so used to putting it into words.

This post of yours is no different. My impression was immediate, and surprising to me, but still, finding the words are difficult.

I can't really give you my impression on just these two portraits. I've seen too many of this woman to do that. I feel that in a sense, I am getting
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Howdy Bob.

You say you are at a loss for words?

"I don't believe it!"

Man...that is a really nice impressions note you wrote.

I mean, it is something I think ANY musician would appreciate and take to heart. I know it made me think of that moment you mention. I know it shows you have a great deal of empathy for the musicians you meet and those that live on the road.

The way you wrote about it...is wonderful!

You wrote: "you give it away to anyone who is there. And you smile."

That magic moment is something priceless....and fulfilling...and exciting.

Thanks very much for taking the time to share those thoughts and impression with us Bob. Well written and meaningful.

Good light to you.




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fredv wrote:
these are the 2 best of this series, the images have a life to them not so staged, she is a tough model. great job



Hi Fred,

I am glad you liked them.

They are of a more "classic" performance style/look that may seem more "authentic" because this is how we often see performers in photos.

Oddly enough...she is playing in almost all of the photos I took of her..it is just that there are many different "expressions" and "views" and "facets" to her as a pianist and the concept of the pianist as seen by me. Each is "authentic" or natural in its own way and captures a certain element I saw while with the pianist.

I like them too. Just...I consider them just one facet of the person.

Thanks for adding your comments to the mix. (music term used here on purpose)



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Good Morning Steadman! I missed this additional post to your Impression #58-Nocturne.
I agree that in this composition, the pianist has the more classic view. By that I mean, she is watching her hand/finger placement on the keyboard. She is "crafting her art".
This maybe in part due to the complexity of the composition or her "newness" in playing it. I know when I play a new piece on the electric bass, I find my eyes watching where the next finger placement is going on the string.
Nonetheless, her intensity is obvious for whatever reason. She also exudes confidence.
Also I enjoy watching my mind to finger link when playing music. I also find that when I am the spectator, I am watching the hand/finger movement more than the facial expression. Maybe that is more musician related. Your thought?
Without plagerizing my previous comments on Nocturne #58 here, I do repeat what I said in that post.
Intuitive, extrospection...at times, transcendental..
Well done Steadman!
My Best and Happy Thanksgiving to you and the pianist!
Dan



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mdbassman wrote:
Good Morning Steadman! I missed this additional post to your Impression #58-Nocturne.
I agree that in this composition, the pianist has the more classic view. By that I mean, she is watching her hand/finger placement on the keyboard. She is "crafting her art".
This maybe in part due to the complexity of the composition or her "newness" in playing it. I know when I play a new piece on the electric bass, I find my eyes watching where the next finger placement is going on the string.
Nonetheless, her intensity is obvious for whatever reason. She also exudes confidence.
Also I enjoy watching
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Hi Dan,

You made my morning get a good start!

Thanks for the nice impressions comments above.

I really enjoy reading how other musicians "see" this type of image. I think your observations and impressions are very valuable to me and of course they are nice to read too.

You mention the finger placement and movement. I know what you mean. Let me tell you...when she was playing "presto" I could only stare in amazement at her hands moving so quickly and her fingers moving "too quickly."

They were moving "too quickly" for my slower shutter speed in the dimly lit room (I used ambient light only). So I had to satisfy myself with shots of her head/face and expressions changes. Really...those ten fingers were going soooo quickly it seemed like watching a "fast speed" movie or something.

I mean it doesn't even look like something a human could do. So fast and so precise...and amazing. The music notes (she played from memory) probably don't exist as "single notes" but rather some kind of "blur" in the mind and hand coordination due to practice. It amazes me that the brain and body can work so well on such intricate actions with precision. Even with my own eyes, I could not "see" a single finger! They were a "blur" to even the naked eye.

I am going to try to shoot a little video of her hands in action in the future. But...30 frames a second may not be fast enough!

Thanks again for adding your impressions to the mix.



Nov 25, 2008 at 08:44 AM





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