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p.1 #1 · RED, Canon, and Video

Here's a video with the DP of the TV show '24' Using RED with Canon lenses.

He also has the good taste to be a 5D shooter.

Nothing here about the 5DII, but the presentation gives a good idea of the feel of shooting high quality video with a compact digital system.

Edit: He talks about the 5DII near the end.
ASA is oldschool ISO, for you youngins. He says he doesn't go above ISO 250 on RED.

Oct 11, 2008 at 11:17 PM

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p.1 #2 · RED, Canon, and Video

Interesting watch. I love the bit' on how he switches between a still frame digital camera and the RED to test a scene. The praise of the 5D is cool too. I'm also surprised that they're limited at 500 ASA for the RED... something like a Full Frame video camera seems as though it would revolutionize that industry.

Oct 12, 2008 at 12:30 AM

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p.1 #3 · RED, Canon, and Video

It's still got a few bugs to work out, but it's definatley come a long way over this past year. Not surprised about the low light performance. That's one thing that really bugs me about shooting HD with current cameras (I use a JVC GY-HD250), you REALLY struggle with noise at higher gains (ISO/ASA). The ability of the 5DII's chip when combined with fast primes points to a brighter future in HD development.

Oct 12, 2008 at 12:58 AM

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p.1 #4 · RED, Canon, and Video

The more I think about it, the more I believe that RED is screwed. Red One does 2x the resolution and pushes 4x the data, but it just dumps raw data with sophisticated lossy compression. A mac finished the processing. It takes 1.5 minutes to boot, and weighs 10 pounds. Noisy ISO 500 tops.
Compare that to the 5DII specs that Canon makes money on at 1/10th the price. The 5DII doesn't compete against the Red One. But the 5DII is a much more sophisticated device. The size of a paperback, boots instantly,n sensor 2x the size of Red One. Canon has the tech. to do Red in if they believe there's a market above 1080p. I don't see how Red can compete. But maybe Canon will decide the market is too small above 1080p.

Oct 12, 2008 at 01:34 AM

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p.1 #5 · RED, Canon, and Video

jfulton wrote:
It's still got a few bugs to work out, but it's definatley come a long way over this past year. Not surprised about the low light performance. That's one thing that really bugs me about shooting HD with current cameras (I use a JVC GY-HD250), you REALLY struggle with noise at higher gains (ISO/ASA). The ability of the 5DII's chip when combined with fast primes points to a brighter future in HD development.

It really is going to change video and multimedia. Not so much the 5D, but real camcorders with this new technology that can shoot in low light and have DOF control.

The 5DII is a film school students dream. Now they can shoot everything dark and dreary at night. I see a lot of shooting in sewers by candlelight.

Oct 12, 2008 at 02:08 PM

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p.1 #6 · RED, Canon, and Video

I really love the idea of the DOF control. This is really challenging with the broadcast HD I currently shoot. I just can't throw the background out of focus like I use to with digital and analog. There is just too much in focus when it comes to trying to isolate your subjects. I'm finding myself shooting at a much greater distance and using compression to help. But when you're already standing in the hallway shooting inside to an interview at a desk, there's only so much you can do.

I'm also curious to see how well the 1080p does with sports and fast movement. We went with 720p scan because it was smoother with sports over the 1080 interlaced (up-converting to 1080 for broadcast with no noticeable loss in quality). FWIW, this is with 60p. I do find the 30p to be a little more forgiving and a bit smoother on movement.

Oct 12, 2008 at 03:57 PM

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p.1 #7 · RED, Canon, and Video

I don't think 30p on a cmos sensor is going to be good for sports. Canon seems to have the rolling shutter effect under control, except for fast movements.

One big disadvantage of DOF control when shooting professionally is missed focus. When network television went HD they found they had a lot of cameramen who were somewhat blind.

Laforet shot a lot of his stuff at f2 and he usually missed critical focus.

Oct 15, 2008 at 02:24 AM

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p.1 #8 · RED, Canon, and Video

I really hope Canon offers an option (perhaps a custom function) that can switch the LCD to a B&W mode during video recording. Finding and keeping critical focus with a color viewfinder can really cause one to have a nasty headache (and a few backfocused scenes).

I'm finding myself switching ALOT to an Accu-view mode while shooting (especially on the move). It switches the viewfinder to B&W and highlights the focused edges in a bright color tint (red or blue). It helps a little and allows you toggle back to color while shooting so that you can keep an eye on the WB.

Oct 15, 2008 at 02:41 AM


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