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p.2 #1 · Rumor - D3X In December!

6-8MP really is all I want and I have lovely 30x20 prints form a 6MP D50! 12MP is a bit of overkill for my needs at the moment. An 8MP DX sensor in a D80 body with the ISO performance of the D3 is what I want! Not that I'm going to let go of my new D300 anytime soon!!!!

Oct 09, 2008 at 05:38 PM

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firewireguy wrote:
6-8MP really is all I want and I have lovely 30x20 prints form a 6MP D50! 12MP is a bit of overkill for my needs at the moment. An 8MP DX sensor in a D80 body with the ISO performance of the D3 is what I want! Not that I'm going to let go of my new D300 anytime soon!!!!

Wow, a 20x30 print from a D50! That's a BIG stretch (no pun intended).

Of all the Nikon cameras I've used that one makes the worst large prints. (D40, D50, D70, D100, D200, and D300).

I see artifacts in most of the 8x10's form our D50's, and 13 x 19 is already a good stretch. There is NO WAY I'd find a 20 x 30 from a D50 acceptable, unless there was a trip line 15 feet from the image keeping me away from it.

Gerald

Oct 09, 2008 at 06:26 PM

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firewireguy wrote:
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Justin Berman wrote:
I keep crossing my fingers for 16bits of usable data per pixel.

and if they did just what could/would you do with it?

truncate half of it and save as a jpeg to get it printed, obviously!

I think you are missing the point. It doesn't matter if the final output media has lower dynamic range, there is still a valid case for high dynamic range at capture. The captured high dynamic range can be mapped on to the lower output dynamic range using tone curves.

In simple terms there will be more detail in the shadows and highlights that can be used in the final print if processed correctly.

However I doubt that the first true 16-bit sensor will be a high pixel-density sensor. I would have thought the technology would be easier to develop for large pixel sensors.

Make no mistake, dynamic range is the next major opportunity for sensor improvement. The MP race is over for 35mm sensors. I suspect the vast majority of photographers buying 5D-II and A900 won't have sufficient lens quality or technical understanding to make the extra pixels count.

Oct 09, 2008 at 07:00 PM

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the real point is that current tech will not allow the user to take any advantage of said improvements. that is an undeniable fact.

Oct 09, 2008 at 07:16 PM

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firewireguy wrote:
6-8MP really is all I want and I have lovely 30x20 prints form a 6MP D50! 12MP is a bit of overkill for my needs at the moment. An 8MP DX sensor in a D80 body with the ISO performance of the D3 is what I want! Not that I'm going to let go of my new D300 anytime soon!!!!

Yeah, but my point is that a 24MP 20x30 is going to be better than one from 6, 8 or 12MP, given equal circumstances. No matter how nice a 20x30 your 6 or 8 mp camera made, if it were shot with a 24MP camera it would be better. Are you saying that's not true?

Steve

Oct 09, 2008 at 07:23 PM

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I think it's all about what you do in photography. I have not had a reason to do a 20x30 print so to me it's not a priority to constantly upgrade. However, NAS takes over sometimes to a certain point of staying up with the technology even when you don't even really need it.

Oct 09, 2008 at 07:35 PM

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24 megapixels sounds like a lot, but really, 24 is to 12 what 4 is to 2 megapixels, for example. It is the ratio that matters, not the absolute increase. Hopefully in a couple years Nikon will double it again to get to 50 megapixels or 100. At that point, though, we'll definitely need better lenses.

Oct 11, 2008 at 03:55 AM

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My source for Nikon information tells me the D3X will not be available until PMA in February, the 6495.00 price noted in this thread seems to be the correct price point. I am told the dynamic range for the new D3X will blow us away bringing us one step closer to film quality high lights and shadow detail.

Oct 11, 2008 at 06:52 AM

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greeneggs wrote:
24 megapixels sounds like a lot, but really, 24 is to 12 what 4 is to 2 megapixels, for example. It is the ratio that matters, not the absolute increase. Hopefully in a couple years Nikon will double it again to get to 50 megapixels or 100. At that point, though, we'll definitely need better lenses.

I think some better lenses will be needed even with 24 MP.

EBH

Oct 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM

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David Kenney wrote:
My source for Nikon information tells me the D3X will not be available until PMA in February, the 6495.00 price noted in this thread seems to be the correct price point. I am told the dynamic range for the new D3X will blow us away bringing us one step closer to film quality high lights and shadow detail.

Man, if that's true, WOW!! This will be one amazing camera. DR improvements would be great. It's going to be a looooong wait till feb though!

Steve

Oct 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM

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David Kenney wrote:
My source for Nikon information tells me the D3X will not be available until PMA in February, the 6495.00 price noted in this thread seems to be the correct price point. I am told the dynamic range for the new D3X will blow us away bringing us one step closer to film quality high lights and shadow detail.

And it hovers and frames the shot for you and comes with a toilet paper roll ...

Oct 11, 2008 at 01:56 PM

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molson wrote:

... 1500 files from a days shooting.

Some time invested in photography lessons might help there... or just shoot JPEGs

Oct 11, 2008 at 02:08 PM

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just give me some new lenses please Nikon!

Oct 11, 2008 at 02:13 PM

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6495.00

Oct 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM

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David Kenney wrote:
My source for Nikon information tells me the D3X will not be available until PMA in February, the 6495.00 price noted in this thread seems to be the correct price point. I am told the dynamic range for the new D3X will blow us away bringing us one step closer to film quality high lights and shadow detail.

Announced or shipping at PMA? I have to figure out how long I can keep my 1Ds3 without losing too much value.

Oct 12, 2008 at 02:11 AM

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sjms wrote:
the real point is that current tech will not allow the user to take any advantage of said improvements. that is an undeniable fact.

Rubbish. Just because printed media and display screens have inherently low DR there is no reason not to capture higher DR. I draw your attention to this quote from the linked reference.

"Even an ordinary 8-bit JPEG image file can conceivably record an infinite dynamic range-- assuming that the right tonal curve is applied during RAW conversion (see tutorial on curves, under motivation: dynamic range), and that the A/D converter has the required bit precision" from this site: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/dynamic-range.htm

Many photographers are currently making HDR files by combining multiple captures. An HDR sensor would eliminate the requirement for multiple captures and the associated problems with subject movement.

Oct 12, 2008 at 08:44 PM


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