fizzy wrote:
That leads me to believe that you do not have your monitor profile set correctly in ColorSync. Safari is showing the "embedded" JPEG correctly, but your monitor is so far off from sRGB (which is more-or-less what monitors end up to be) that the other looks way different. When I look at them, they are exactly the same. (When Paul looks at them on his wide-gamut monitor that is not close to sRGB, they look different. But as he said, that is a different, special case.) I think I suggested before, go to Display, Color, Calibrate control panel, set gamma to 2.2, and go through the calibration. Make sure you have the monitor profile set to the profile you create, and not Adobe RGB or something else which is not a monitor profile.
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I have done all this. Months ago. Contrast brightness & gamma are fine. - But I use the Mac gamma setting of 1.8 I tried 2.2, but I prefer 1.8. First, I'm on a Mac. Second, 2.2 is much darker, and I tend to make my pics too bright in general. Using the PC gamma setting would just make that worse.
The colrsync profile IS set for sRGB.
The only thing I haven't done is buy a calibration kit, which would possibly help with color, but two friends who are pro photographers have looked at their own pics on my monitor, in the past, and think it looks fine.
I'm just not understanding this. Even if my monitor's color WERE slightly off, (which is possible) why would this cause the non-embedded pic to look bright? - And it looks so both from my Mac's desktop, and via Safari. -And why not for most of you? I can understand a pic looking different on another monitor or computer, but I DO NOT understand THIS.
I realize it's probably been explained, above, but the answer completely eludes me. I assume it's a profile thing, but WTF is the solution? The only thing that makes some sense to me is what Paul wrote, that I might have a wide-gamut monitor, and hence my pics need embedding for ME to see them correctly.
Is that right? -And how would I know? When I set colorsync to sRGB, isn't that telling my monitor to use the smaller gamut, no matter what it's native gamut might be?
Cableaddict wrote:
I have done all this. Months ago. Contrast brightness & gamma are fine. - But I use the Mac gamma setting of 1.8 I tried 2.2, but I prefer 1.8. First, I'm on a Mac. Second, 2.2 is much darker, and I tend to make my pics too bright in general. Using the PC gamma setting would just make that worse.
Use 2.2. Without getting into a bunch of stuff about the native gamma of different colorspaces, 2.2 is what you need to use for digital photography, especially using sRGB color. If you have the gamma at 2.2, and start editing your pics that way, we wouldn't have this thread. Why Apple continues to set default to 1.8 even on new LCDs is a mystery.
The colrsync profile IS set for sRGB.
Close, but not quite. The ColorSync profile should be your monitor profile.
-And why not for most of you? I can understand a pic looking different on another monitor or computer, but I DO NOT understand THIS.
When I set colorsync to sRGB, isn't that telling my monitor to use the smaller gamut, no matter what it's native gamut might be?
No. It's you telling ColorSync what the profile of your monitor is. It might be close to sRGB, but you really need to set it to your actual monitor profile that you create with the "Calibrate" control panel (or ideally a calibrator device). But you need to set the gamma to 2.2 first, or else your pictures will continue not to work on other systems. We all have our monitors at 2.2 gamma, and see above where we saw the pics as identical. Really, use it, it works.
fizzy wrote:
....you need to set the gamma to 2.2 first, or else your pictures will continue not to work on other systems. We all have our monitors at 2.2 gamma, and see above where we saw the pics as identical. Really, use it, it works.
Fizzy,
I greatly appreciate all your time, but this just doesn't work. (and why would it?)
I tried 2.2, even re-did my calibration afterwards, but this does NOT make the two pics look the same on my monitor. They just look darker, but still different.
In fact, and I kid you not, at 2.2, the two pictures above look VASTLY different in brightness, whereas at 1.8 the difference is only slight. This is absolutely the case, so what can I say?
-Also with 2.2, I make all my pics even brighter, which makes them look even worse on a pc.
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You wrote: "Make sure you have the monitor profile set to the profile you create, and not Adobe RGB or something else which is not a monitor profile."
I have a feeling this could be part of the problem, since I don't understand it. (g)
If you mean the monitor profile in colorsync, then sure, it's set to my custom-calibrated setting.
The only other option in Colorsync is "set to factory," which of course I didn't select.
paulhodson wrote:
For me on a wide gamut calibrated monitor:
Firefox 3 they look identical
IE they look identical
Safari bottom image is brighter and over saturated
Take of that what you will. You would I believe get different results on a different monitor. As I have said before in many posts wide gamut monitors bring problems relating to this unless you use fully color aware browsers and other programs (and that does not include Safari)
They would also have looked similar on my monitor and in Firefox 3 if one had (incorrectly) been aRGB. This would not though apply in Internet Explorer.
Paul,
You're the only one who seems to see what's going on.
Do you have any suggestions on how I can fix the problem? It CLEARLY is not a monitor-calibration issue, no matter what everyone else seem to think.
Is there some kind of color-management setting for Safari, or for my Mac, or...
Or again, will this just "go away" is I always embed the sRGB profile?
Cableaddict wrote:
In fact, and I kid you not, at 2.2, the two pictures above look VASTLY different in brightness, whereas at 1.8 the difference is only slight. This is absolutely the case, so what can I say?
Then you did something wrong. It sounds like you're not really changing the gamma. Go through the Displays, Color, Calibrate procedure again. HIt the "Expert mode" checkbox to make sure you get all the options.
-Also with 2.2, I make all my pics even brighter, which makes them look even worse on a pc.
Again, if your monitor really is set to 2.2, your pictures would look better on a PC.
You wrote: "Make sure you have the monitor profile set to the profile you create, and not Adobe RGB or something else which is not a monitor profile."
I have a feeling this could be part of the problem, since I don't understand it. (g)
If you mean the monitor profile in colorsync, then sure, it's set to my custom-calibrated setting.
The only other option in Colorsync is "set to factory," which of course I didn't select.
OK, that sounds right. There are no other settings.
System Preferences/Displays/Color is where the calibrated monitor profile is set on a Mac running OSX.
The monitor profile should NOT be applied anywhere else as it is already configured through the operating system.
Setting the monitor preference anywhere else would be double profiling resulting in inaccurate previews.
fizzy wrote:
Then you did something wrong. It sounds like you're not really changing the gamma. Go through the Displays, Color, Calibrate procedure again. HIt the "Expert mode" checkbox to make sure you get all the options.
I did. And yes I cheanged the gamma. You just can't seem to accept that you haven't nailed the cause of my problem. I know you're trying to help, and have spent a great amount of time doing so, so again my HUGE thanks, but THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
Once again, this is NOT a calibration issue. There has been no doubt about this quite some time now. I wish we could talk about the issue embedding vs not embedding, but people keep bringing up the frigging calibration business.
I've sent out my promotional materials. The h*ll with it. If it looks wrong, I don't care anymore.
I guess (for future work) I'll have to do some serious reading when I get a chance. I know where to look from the earlier posts on this thread, so thanks to all for your thoughts & help.
Cableaddict i think i'm having the same problem... Did you work it out already? I figured out as myself by far that if you convert image to colormatch prfile it helps a bit but doesn't give the look i want... i've tried it with 2.2 gamma, tommorow i will try with 1.8 and see if this helps.
Set your files in Save for Web in PS2,this will convert the images to sRGB color space. Set SFW to jpeg, the default is GIF. Don't know if CS4 does the same convert as there are color aware browsers now. Also if you have you gamma set to 1.8 photos will look too bright and washed out on a monitor with a gamma of 2.2. 2.2 is the standard now for web viewing.
From what I understand Fire Fox still isn't handling color spaces correctly.
So part of the solution might be in ditching Fire Fox too.
If what you say is true one of them isn't working right!
That's just from what I've read though. I downloaded the update for Fire Fox. I think it's 3.1.something now and I can't even find a place to switch anything to do with color spaces. Where is it?
