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anthonygh
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eosfun wrote:
BTW how many film related topics did we have the last lustrum? Film is almost dead. Kodak knows, Fujifilm knows. Agfa died with it. Konica, where is Konica film? Anyway, what do you want to know about film? Film is nostalgia, EOSfun of the past. We already have the alternative gear forum. It fits perfectly well there. The forum for the niches and cult products. Mostly for photographers with an experimental mind set. Alternative, just like it says. That's what film has become. The list box of boards is already long enough. No film forum is my vote!

A film forum will help educate the misinformed........the number of film users is on a steady upward curve...and amongst B+W users it is probably as popular as ever. There is a quality about a film image that digital doesn't match (despite several software programmes that try hard to do just that).

It can also be the MUCH cheap option for a skilled photographer in areas such as landscape and portraiture...

Sep 27, 2008 at 06:36 PM

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I would enjoy a film forum. It is admittedly a niche market, but so are some of the other forums and it is picking up in popularity. The emulsions have improved in the last decade or so and would love to continue to learn about it.

I offer some film in some of my packs and would love to see scans of other types that I do not use.

I think it would be great...

Tom

Anthony, why don't you pm Fred or guardian and say that you would moderate?

Tom

Sep 27, 2008 at 06:47 PM

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p.3 #3 · Film users

Geofn wrote:
+1 for an equipment independant Film Forum.

+2

Sep 27, 2008 at 06:50 PM

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p.3 #4 · Film users

put me down for one that would enjoy a film forum!

Sep 27, 2008 at 07:58 PM

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canerino wrote:
put me down for one that would enjoy a film forum!

Ditto. I still enjoy breaking out my old Canon FP, Rebel 35mm, or my new (to me) Yashica Mat 124. I think it could only add value to an already wonderful place.

Sep 28, 2008 at 01:24 AM

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p.3 #6 · Film users

I'm all for it! Sign me up.

Sep 28, 2008 at 01:26 AM

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p.3 #7 · Film users

Yep -- Another here with a Bronica SQA and Canon A2 setup to learn more about...

Sep 28, 2008 at 01:33 AM

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Aberdeen Photo wrote:
I would enjoy a film forum. It is admittedly a niche market, but so are some of the other forums and it is picking up in popularity. The emulsions have improved in the last decade or so and would love to continue to learn about it.

I offer some film in some of my packs and would love to see scans of other types that I do not use.

I think it would be great...

Tom

Anthony, why don't you pm Fred or guardian and say that you would moderate?

Tom

If you know how to contact the site owners please let me know..I've tried in the past but with absolutely no success....

Sep 30, 2008 at 08:01 PM

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p.3 #9 · Film users

Personally, as a film user, I find APUG perfectly suited for film discussions. There is a great deal of talk on techniques, both in developing and in the darkroom, and much less focus on the the actual equipment. RFF, though focussed on rangefinders, and photo.net also have healthy film-related discussions. While I enjoy FM, I would think that a film forum would just end up being relatively anemic. Just a little too much interest in the latest/greatest from Canon and Nikon.

Just my two cents.

Sep 30, 2008 at 08:57 PM

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p.3 #10 · Film users

eosfun wrote:
Film is almost dead. Kodak knows, Fujifilm knows. Agfa died with it. Konica, where is Konica film?

Kodak knows so well that they released the new Ektar 100 a few weeks ago.

eosfun wrote:
Film is nostalgia, EOSfun of the past.

Talk for yourself. There are a lot of photographers who really enjoy using film.

eosfun wrote:
We already have the alternative gear forum. It fits perfectly well there. The forum for the niches and cult products. Mostly for photographers with an experimental mind set.

Sure. Why don't you go tell this to the 30000 members of apug? Or the 25000 members of rangefinderforum? Oh no wait! These are demoniac users of Leica! Another dreaded cult camera brand that's totally dead and useless!

eosfun wrote:
No film forum is my vote!

Excellent. That will keep you busy discussing the specs of the 5D3. So long!

Sep 30, 2008 at 09:22 PM

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Sure. Why don't you go tell this to the 30000 members of apug? Or the 25000 members of rangefinderforum? Oh no wait! These are demoniac users of Leica! Another dreaded cult camera brand that's totally dead and useless!

We don't have that many members in a range finder forum board here at FM. Or an a apug board

That is what was discussed here, an extra board at FM. I don't see the need and use for it. The alt gear board is good enough for it. I don't share your opinion on Leica as a dreaded cult camera brand that's dead and useless. I see it just as a brand that went down as a result of corporate mismanagement and over-conservative product management that only survived since the end 70-ies by cultivating a nostalgia atmosphere producing old fashioned cameras and sell most of them like jewels in all kind of collector item special edition series. That is not the same as useless or dead or dreaded. Anyway, they don't give any kind of EOSfun

Sep 30, 2008 at 11:10 PM

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p.3 #12 · Film users

Marcel VanEerd wrote:
dcains wrote:
Marcel VanEerd wrote:
Can we please have subcategories, then?
I propose 35mm, 120/220, 4x5 and larger. For the obviously necessary Alternative Film Tread 110, 126 and Polaroid could be considered.
If positive film users feel repressed, or in any way left out, they could suggest a forum of their own. That way, the Nikon vs Canon debaters can happily continue with a Negative vs Positive war

Perhaps we should kick it off with at least 4 polls.

Sorry, but IMHO that's a silly idea. Film is film, and the principles which apply to 35mm also apply to 120, large format, etc. With multiple forums I'd surely miss something which might prompt me to try something new, and really how many divisions do we need here?

Okay - so I'm not funny. I WAS trying to be sarcastic...

Don't worry. I got it.

Oct 01, 2008 at 02:49 PM

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p.3 #13 · Film users

EVERY ONE ON HERE NEEDS TO MAIL THE SITE OWNERS and demand a response to film users...AND USERS GENERALLY....

Amazing that this message was needed...What is FM about??

Oct 08, 2008 at 10:48 PM

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eosfun wrote:
BTW how many film related topics did we have the last lustrum? Film is almost dead. Kodak knows, Fujifilm knows. Agfa died with it. Konica, where is Konica film? Anyway, what do you want to know about film? Film is nostalgia, EOSfun of the past. We already have the alternative gear forum. It fits perfectly well there. The forum for the niches and cult products. Mostly for photographers with an experimental mind set. Alternative, just like it says. That's what film has become. The list box of boards is already long enough. No film forum is my vote!

This is another reason I'd like a film forum. I'm for "eosfun" as much as the next guy, but my eosfun covers all of my eos stuff, and it would be nice to discuss it with others who don't feel the need to constantly disdain film or the users of film. Film's popularity is much less than in the past, but it isn't dead nor do I think it will be anytime soon. There are many of us who very happily use both and there are the younger photographers who started with digital and would like to learn to use film. And there is still a very large base who uses film only, choosing not to delve into digital at all. It would be helpful to all of these people to have a dedicated space to discuss this particular medium, and if you think film is dead or that the use of it is ridiculous, stay off of that forum and visit one that makes you feel more comfortable. "Kodak knows. Fujifilm knows" yet Kodak continues to release films that are more "scanner friendly" while Fujifilm actually takes a step back in time and brings back Velvia 50. Neither of these is a big market shake-up but it does show a response directed towards those photographers with a specific need which, considering the costs to do so, is pretty significant. Sure, film won't attain the level of sales it once had (although I'm certain I gave it a huge boost considering how much film I bought over the last year for my classic rangefinders and SLRs!) but there are still an awful lot of users and others interested--just look at the response to the OP's question.

+1

I guess in his world you can only have EOSfun if you have the latest and greatest equipment.

Oct 09, 2008 at 12:49 AM

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p.3 #15 · Film users

I would be interested, used to shoot B&W film when in school. And now getting back in to it with the purchase of an EOS 3.

Oct 09, 2008 at 01:37 AM

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p.3 #16 · Film users

I guess in his world you can only have EOSfun if you have the latest and greatest equipment.

Nope. I just said you can find this EOSfun in the alt gear board imo and we don't need a separate new board for it. Since film WAS mainstream in the past but today it is a niche thing for a small minority of photographers.

Oct 10, 2008 at 10:24 PM

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p.3 #17 · Film users

anthonygh wrote:
EVERY ONE ON HERE NEEDS TO MAIL THE SITE OWNERS and demand a response to film users...AND USERS GENERALLY....

Amazing that this message was needed...What is FM about??

FM is a useful and informative forum that caters to the majority of people interested in photography. That does not include people (like me) who are interested in the ancient and archane discipline of film photography.

P.S. don't shout by typing in all-caps - it doesn't help to get your message across.

Oct 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM

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jcolwell wrote:
anthonygh wrote:
EVERY ONE ON HERE NEEDS TO MAIL THE SITE OWNERS and demand a response to film users...AND USERS GENERALLY....

Amazing that this message was needed...What is FM about??

FM is a useful and informative forum that caters to the majority of people interested in photography. That does not include people (like me) who are interested in the ancient and archane discipline of film photography.

P.S. don't shout by typing in all-caps - it doesn't help to get your message across.

My message is that despite an obvious demand for this particular aspect of photography and numerous emails to the site owners there has been zero response...maybe someone can justify this on behalf of the management.

PS. What is the title of this forum anyway?

Oct 14, 2008 at 12:57 AM

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p.3 #19 · Film users

I think apug.org is an incredible resource for those interested in any and all aspects of film photography. I'm not sure a Fred Miranda version is entirely necessary but I would welcome it if it happened. To those that say film is dead, I would disagree pretty securely. I am only 21 years old and use both film and digital in my photography although I probably use a lot more film because I do go to art school. The film process is entirely different than the digital one and there's definitely a sort of personal preference involved but to me there isn't much like stepping into the light and looking at a print and saying "that's it!" With a digital photograph it's a more fiddly process without that kind of building effect that you get from print after print changing one variable at a time.

Also of note is a brand new Fuji 6x7 folder. It will be marketed as a Voigtlander Bessa outside of Japan. should be pretty sweet.

Oct 14, 2008 at 01:44 AM

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Do you film shooters ever consider the environmental considerations of your hobby? Film manufacture and processing is pretty dirty and now totally unnecessary. Silver compounds, cyanide, chlorine, ugh. I'd like to consider myself a committed environmentalist; these toxic aspect of film kept out of photography for years. What do you do to mitigate the impacts of your film use. What keeps you from going all digital?

Oct 14, 2008 at 03:53 AM

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MountainTop wrote:
Do you film shooters ever consider the environmental considerations of your hobby? Film manufacture and processing is pretty dirty and now totally unnecessary. Silver compounds, cyanide, chlorine, ugh. I'd like to consider myself a committed environmentalist; these toxic aspect of film kept out of photography for years. What do you do to mitigate the impacts of your film use. What keeps you from going all digital?

Silver is reclaimed from fixer and recycled. Many other darkroom chems are relatively harmless - a little knowledge goes a long way to proper disposal. So in my book, processing really isn't bad.

While film manufacture in the past has been 'dirty' I think companies (Kodak) have cleaned up their act a lot. From what I understand.

More importantly, do you know how environmentally harmful electronics waste is? Lots of heavy metals and other nasty stuff. The amount of electronics (not just digital cameras) that we've gone through in the last 20 years is mind boggling - we treat it almost as disposable. Many of us film types shoot cameras that are 30+ years old. How many digital cameras have you gone through in the last 10?

That totally ignores the large environmental impact manufacturing modern electronics (digital cameras included) has. Dirty, dirty stuff.

Oct 14, 2008 at 05:08 AM

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Oct 16, 2008 at 11:09 PM

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I have mailed the moderators and site owner about this being a separate forum and have had no response so I have decided not to waste my time any more......maybe someone reading this knows how to make contact...and has actually done so at some time so knows it's a possibility!

Oct 16, 2008 at 11:12 PM

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Oct 16, 2008 at 11:19 PM

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p.3 #25 · Film users

mh2000 wrote:
... doubt I'll hang out there (even if I do sell my digital and only shoot film...).
forum is a good idea... just "film."

Could be a mistake then because some of us have unique experience of converting a 35mm neg into a stunning A3 plus print...for example...

Oct 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM


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