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EOS20 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #1 · Dedicated EF Video camera? I was thinking about the 5D2 and it's video recording capabilities, And I was thinking, I wonder if Canon would ever build a dedicated video camera using the 5D2 (Future model) sensor, And sharing the EF mount. If the quality is really that good it would be interesting to see something based around this concept. Something that had: *A 35mm Fullframed sensor *Compatibility with all EF Lenses *Electronic viewfinder (Like what you would find on a video camera *Flip and tilt out rear LCD Screen *The ability to record onto mini DV tape, Or have dual CF Card slots (Or both?). *More dedicated video controls and functions *A re-designed body (More like a Red camera, Or like a MFDB Rather then a SLR). Canon could market it at the Advanced video shooter, Or even to the pros if the quality is good enough (From What I've seen in the samples, It looks good enough). I'm sure in the future the quality and recording capabilities of the CMOS sensor would be good enough for professional use, And having the capability to use the full range of EF lenses would be a huge benefit, Especially considering the limited range of video cameras that have interchangeable lens capabilities, And the limited range of lenses (Not to mention the price!). I'm sure Canon could give Red a run for their money! Do you think Canon would build such a thing, Or do you think we will see the 35mm d/SLR become more of a hybrid camera instead? Sep 22, 2008 at 02:26 AM

rceres Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #2 · Dedicated EF Video camera? I was actually just thinking exactly the same thing! This seems like it would be an incredible idea. Every one with an EF SLR lens collection now has an incredible video lens collection! In the meantime, I just realized that buying a 5DII will save me from having to buy an HD camcorder any time soon. Pretty cool. Sep 22, 2008 at 02:32 AM

omarlyn Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #3 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Do you mean something like the XL series but with Full-Frame sensor? Maybe taking this basic concept and tweaking it a bit to include the bigger sensor and a 'flip' LCD screen? http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/dvc/data/2005-2006/2005_xlh1.html?lang=us&categ=crn&page=2005-2006 Omar Edited on Sep 22, 2008 at 03:02 AM · View previous versions Sep 22, 2008 at 02:59 AM

Pixel Perfect Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #4 · Dedicated EF Video camera? rceres wrote: I was actually just thinking exactly the same thing! This seems like it would be an incredible idea. Every one with an EF SLR lens collection now has an incredible video lens collection! In the meantime, I just realized that buying a 5DII will save me from having to buy an HD camcorder any time soon. Pretty cool. I'm guessing the price is the problem. Great for the high end market, but you wouldn't see it in a $500 video camera anytime soon. Sep 22, 2008 at 02:59 AM

EOS20 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #5 · Dedicated EF Video camera? If they decided to make it flash based storage instead of video, They could add USB device connectivity, So you could shoot to a external HD instead of onto memory cards! Build something that could clip onto your belt, I'm sure they could even make it wireless, So you could keep the HD in your pocket/bag! Some external battery packs (Similar to the external batteries you get for your flash) Would also increase the shooting time! Sep 22, 2008 at 03:05 AM

EOS20 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #6 · Dedicated EF Video camera? omarlyn wrote: Do you mean something like the XL series but with Full-Frame sensor? Maybe taking this basic concept and tweaking it a bit to include the bigger sensor and a 'flip' LCD screen? http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/dvc/data/2005-2006/2005_xlh1.html?lang=us&categ=crn&page=2005-2006 Omar No, Not really, I was thinking more like a Medium format style camera, Like a Hasselblad H series camera: http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system.aspx Kind of like a Hybrid between a still camera and a video camera. Sep 22, 2008 at 03:10 AM

Ariel Bravy Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #7 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Would this camera also be capable of shooting stills like a DSLR? If not, a 21mp sensor would be somewhat overkill for 1080p. Sep 22, 2008 at 03:14 AM

EOS20 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #8 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Yes, But rather then being a still camera that does video, It would be the other way around, Built more for video rather then for still photography, But still capable of capturing still photos (Most video cameras these days do anyway). Sep 22, 2008 at 03:21 AM

EOS20 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #9 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Looks like Panasonic is already doing something similar with their Micro 4/3rds system: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092102panasonicHD.asp Sep 22, 2008 at 03:24 AM

Pixel Perfect Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #10 · Dedicated EF Video camera? EOS20 wrote: Looks like Panasonic is already doing something similar with their Micro 4/3rds system: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092102panasonicHD.asp Yes, every DSLR under the sun will have HD video within 18 months IMO. And in a few more years we'll see Casio like 60-240 fps. Sep 22, 2008 at 06:32 AM

jray Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #11 · Dedicated EF Video camera? You can already use EF lenses on Canon Xl mount VidCams http://www.adorama.com/CAEFXLA.html Sep 22, 2008 at 09:47 AM

Glassbottle Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #12 · Dedicated EF Video camera? jray wrote: You can already use EF lenses on Canon Xl mount VidCams http://www.adorama.com/CAEFXLA.html Yes, but what's the crop factor? About 4x? Sep 22, 2008 at 09:55 AM

Cableaddict Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #13 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Glassbottle wrote: jray wrote: You can already use EF lenses on Canon Xl mount VidCams http://www.adorama.com/CAEFXLA.html Yes, but what's the crop factor? About 4x? More than 4X, IIRC. That adapter is for a very specific, telephoto application. That's why it is so thick. One could easily ask why Canon never made a video camera with an EF mount. There are two reasons: 1: Video lenses have different feature priorities. 2: It would hurt sales of their video lenses. To those who don't know much about video, it will be very clear, very soon, what the limitations of the 5DII's video are. Of course this will all change soon, just not overnight. Now that they finally have a FF CMOS sensor that can run continuously without overheating, the gloves are off.... They still have to solve the "jello" factor, but that seems within reach. What will really change the industry is a FF camera that can download the raw video data, in realtime, to an external recording device. Add pro audio, pro encoding, and a large battery pack to that device, and the video world will change overnight. Soon, just not yet. Sep 22, 2008 at 10:39 AM

jray Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #14 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Glassbottle wrote: jray wrote: You can already use EF lenses on Canon Xl mount VidCams http://www.adorama.com/CAEFXLA.html Yes, but what's the crop factor? About 4x? Actually, it's 7.2x. Sep 22, 2008 at 10:48 AM

eSchwab Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #15 · Dedicated EF Video camera? jray wrote: Glassbottle wrote: jray wrote: You can already use EF lenses on Canon Xl mount VidCams http://www.adorama.com/CAEFXLA.html Yes, but what's the crop factor? About 4x? Actually, it's 7.2x. Cool, that turns my fisheye into a medium telephoto with moderate barrel distortion. Sep 22, 2008 at 11:04 AM

martines34 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #16 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Have you ever looked at RED? http://www.red.com/ It's will cause a big stir. Sep 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM

EOS20 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #17 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Glassbottle wrote: jray wrote: You can already use EF lenses on Canon Xl mount VidCams http://www.adorama.com/CAEFXLA.html Yes, but what's the crop factor? About 4x? It's a 7x crop from what I've read! Sep 22, 2008 at 01:14 PM

jray Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #18 · Dedicated EF Video camera? EOS20 wrote: Glassbottle wrote: jray wrote: You can already use EF lenses on Canon Xl mount VidCams http://www.adorama.com/CAEFXLA.html Yes, but what's the crop factor? About 4x? It's a 7x crop from what I've read! Oops... Look a my post a few up Sep 22, 2008 at 01:21 PM

GraemeNattress Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #19 · Dedicated EF Video camera? Too much sensor skew from the rolling shutter to work primarily as a video camera. Designing a good, large, high resolution CMOS for stills is very different from designing one for video work. Sep 22, 2008 at 01:44 PM

jray Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #20 · Dedicated EF Video camera? martines34 wrote: Have you ever looked at RED? http://www.red.com/ It's will cause a big stir. Yes, but it's in a different class altogether. The RED One 4k is a 'super 35' format, 4k HD camera designed for cinematography, and although it's less than 18,000.00 per base unit (believe me that's cheap), by the time you get a full single camera system together with required options and a few lenses it's easily above 30-50K per (still cheap). Heck, a 18-50mm f/2.8 PL mount lens for it is 6500.00. Don't get me wrong, it's a bargain for this type of gear. Say goodbye to Mitchell BNCRs and film forever... The 5DII also fits the cinematography mold from the standpoint of being a 35mm format. Added creativity through use of shallower DOF at large apertures is a big plus. Although the smaller sensors in most pro HD camcorders work well for the type of work they are designed for such as news and documentary footage, the larger DOF compared to the 35mm format makes them very weak for serious cinematography work IMO. While the 5DII does appear to have some visible rolling shutter skew due to the CMOS sensor, it's far less than that of the D90 from what little I have seen. Even the 'RED One' has this problem, but it's all but unnoticeable. Considering Canon's low light performance of their new CMOS sensors, they just might have created a serious study tool for the burgeoning movie maker. I was so sure I was going to get a 50D when it first came out, but if the 5DII is all it's cracked up to be, I'll get . . . . . . . . . both (I've just gotta have 1.6 for the pixel density) Sep 22, 2008 at 02:18 PM

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