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p.1 #1 · Diet Pasta - Ad Print Concept



Diet Pasta Ad




I have turned to the cliché "Before and After" to whom i gave a funny slight ironical twist.Before we have the face of a slightly overweight woman, and in the after phase,the character is still fat, the apparent slendered face is due to the way we usually eat the spaghetti.. (by sucking the spaghetti,automatically the cheeks are being pulled in, and the girl seems to have a lean-faced)



Sep 17, 2008 at 09:40 AM
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p.1 #2 · Diet Pasta - Ad Print Concept


Brilliant, love the irony.
Very dated style also, works well.

Sep 18, 2008 at 04:24 AM
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dan cretu wrote:
...Before we have the face of a slightly overweight woman, and in the after phase,the character is still fat...


This is the face of a "slightly overweight woman ... still fat"? !!
Sorry, she appears to be neither.

These are the kinds of ads that quietly make our daughters ill.

Show this to a young girl and she might not eat for a week,
thinking that she, too, must be fat.

Cheryl


Sep 18, 2008 at 10:31 AM
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With respect Cheryl, I think your comment is an overreaction. The prominent source of illness in this country derives from obesity and overeating, not anorexia. If an ad like this were to render anyone ill from the latter, I hardly think it the fault of the ad. I think the criticism misses the humorous thrust of the ad. The "before" rendition here is not supposed to be of a "fat" woman... rather, it's a representation of the face before the delighted, "pasta eating pucker" emerges to "thin" out the face. Whether I put Heidi Klum or Rosie O' Donnell in the ad, the humorous effect remains the same; the pasta will only make you look thinner because you have to suck your cheeks inward... which I guess makes you look thin for the moment you're eating.

To the OP... great concept. I really like it. I also really enjoy the 40's-50's era styling. Nicely done!

Arka C.

Sep 20, 2008 at 06:14 PM
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Hi, Arka. I get the concept.

If you reread the post, you will in fact see that Dan refers to her as "fat".
Before... fat. After... thin. She is not fat.

Yes, perhaps an overreaction, but it was my reaction, non the less.
I agree, this ad alone would not be solely responsible, just another reinforcement of the problem.

Obesity and anorexia can both develop from the hopelessness young women feel when pressured by the media to be thin.
A size 0 is what many, unfortunately, strive for.

As a woman, I've seen the harm done by the constant barrage of 'thin'; it's been going on in this country for many decades.
Only recently have a few ad campaigns become more responsible, showing the female body in a normal state... Dove for instance.

Have a look at this if you have any doubts.

Any Women here care to concur?


And Dan, all this aside, I do appreciate your humor and artistic ability; my apologies for not saying so before.
But, please... show a fat woman if you're going to call her fat.

Cheryl




Sep 20, 2008 at 07:20 PM
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p.1 #6 · Diet Pasta - Ad Print Concept


well executed illustration!

Sep 21, 2008 at 06:44 PM
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I hesitate to reply to your post, as it seems you have a very strong view on this issue. However, I respectfully disagree with you, and I hope you won't take my rebuttals personally.

cbliss wrote:
If you reread the post, you will in fact see that Dan refers to her as "fat".
Before... fat. After... thin. She is not fat.


Well, that's debatable. I know many people whose faces don't appear "fat," but once you see the head on the body, you can't help but think they are of an unhealthy weight. While I don't see the OP's example as a poster child for obesity, her features aren't exactly "heroin skinny" either.... more on the side of healthy and hearty, or maybe a little more than that.

Obesity and anorexia can both develop from the hopelessness young women feel when pressured by the media to be thin.
A size 0 is what many, unfortunately, strive for.

As a woman, I've seen the harm done by the constant barrage of 'thin'; it's been going on in this country for many decades.


The social ideals governing what we think is beautiful have changed as our societies have changed. Where food was limited, the portrayal of a slightly "fatter" woman was attractive, because it indicated wealth, health, and the ability to bear children. In a society where food is no longer scarce (though nutrition, unfortunately, is quite scarce), thin is in. Whether that bias has been manufactured by advertisers, or advertisers are following social trends... I can't say.

Your experience as a woman is obviously different from the women I know and love. Most of my friends and loved ones have not measured their self-esteem by an advertiser's social expectations... indeed, I hardly think it the responsibility of corporations to buttress the self-esteem of women. Would you really want corporate boards performing that function? Self-worth and confidence in one's own image are forged in the social relationships a young woman (or man) experiences... in school and at home.

If the social culture represented by modern advertising inspires someone to pursue a healthy lifestyle, I don't see a problem. I recognize, of course, that the same culture might prompt a young person to become bulimic, anorexic, or turn to cigarettes, drugs, or plastic surgery as a method of weight control. That's sad, and I wish things did not come to that pass. But advertisers aren't necessarily the problem there... some people just want to look beautiful using unnatural approaches... so they visit real-life Photoshop retouchers who offer them Botox injections, tummy tucks, and diet pills.

That is too bad... I agree. But ultimately, the goal of an advertiser is not to teach healthy living.... it's to sell stuff. There's a lot of high art directed towards achieving that goal, and of course, a lot of excess. However, I much prefer the current norm to an alternative where being visibly overweight or obese is construed as being "acceptable." We certainly have a lot of that in this country already. As someone fighting to lose a few pounds of his own, I certainly would not want to be told that my personal pudge is 'acceptable.'

Only recently have a few ad campaigns become more responsible, showing the female body in a normal state... Dove for instance.

I know the Dove campaign, as do a number of women I know and work with. Most find it patronizing, though I personally think it was a nice effort. It certainly earned Dove a lot of attention, which is good for selling soap and lotion.

That said, I think your final link sums up the role advertising should play in a young girls self-image... "Talk to your daughter before the beauty industry does."

Arka C.

Sep 22, 2008 at 06:08 AM
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p.1 #8 · Diet Pasta - Ad Print Concept


Brilliant ad - nice job.

Sep 23, 2008 at 04:04 AM
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lordarka wrote:
Your experience as a woman is obviously different from the women I know and love.

Obviously.

Although we stand on different sides of the bench in regards to this issue, I do appreciate your views... which I, too, respectfully disagree with.


lordarka wrote:
... I much prefer the current norm to an alternative where being visibly overweight or obese is construed as being "acceptable." We certainly have a lot of that in this country already. As someone fighting to lose a few pounds of his own, I certainly would not want to be told that my personal pudge is 'acceptable.'

Try some of Dan's Diet Pasta!

Cheryl





Sep 26, 2008 at 10:40 AM
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cbliss wrote:
Hi, Arka. I get the concept.



Have a look at this if you have any doubts.

Any Women here care to concur?

Cheryl




I concur completely, unfortunately I have seen the results of this mania first hand involving a child of a friend. I will not further add to the discussion except to say, thanks for the links.


Sep 26, 2008 at 03:46 PM
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p.1 #11 · Diet Pasta - Ad Print Concept


Sonja, thank you for lending your strong voice here.

Cheryl

Sep 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM
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p.1 #12 · Diet Pasta - Ad Print Concept


Very catchy illustration, I like it a lot. My only nit is the lack of femininity of the hand Neat for me. The visuals are left for eaches interpretation of fat-thin, thick-lean etc IMO.

Karl

Sep 27, 2008 at 04:23 PM
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p.1 #13 · Diet Pasta - Ad Print Concept


cbliss wrote:
Hi, Arka. I get the concept.

If you reread the post, you will in fact see that Dan refers to her as "fat".
Before... fat. After... thin. She is not fat.

Yes, perhaps an overreaction, but it was my reaction, non the less.
I agree, this ad alone would not be solely responsible, just another reinforcement of the problem.

Obesity and anorexia can both develop from the hopelessness young women feel when pressured by the media to be thin.
A size 0 is what many, unfortunately, strive for.

As a woman, I've seen the harm done by the constant barrage of 'thin'; it's been going on in this country for many decades.
Only recently have a few ad campaigns become more responsible, showing the female body in a normal state... Dove for instance.

Have a look at this if you have any doubts.

Any Women here care to concur?


And Dan, all this aside, I do appreciate your humor and artistic ability; my apologies for not saying so before.
But, please... show a fat woman if you're going to call her fat.

Cheryl




Obesity and anorexia existed before "the Media" did, and don't forget the standard of beauty changes with time and location. I'm sure all the ads contribute to the situation. One thing pointed out by the Dove ad is the role of the PARENT in all of this.

The OP could have just posted the image. It is funny....the humor deals with our obsession with wieght. Sometimes it helps to laugh at our problems, it makes them less scary to face.

The ads exist due to our obsessions and yes they sometimes drive them. Marshal McLuhan was right. It also our responsibility to not let the ads run our lives. We are as much to blame as Madison Avenue.

You won't stop the ads with a post on an FM thread, but you can if you talk to your daughters (and sons also).

To get others to accept us as we are we must first accept ourselves.

Sep 27, 2008 at 04:49 PM
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Dan - the ad is brilliant, well done.



Sep 29, 2008 at 09:05 PM

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