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p.9 #1 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Beni:
More of this crap? the 5D gives an 18X12" at native resolution and makes a great enlargement

I am more and more convinced that pros are looking at equipment only from very practical perspective. They also work completely differently. I may often take a few shots just in case the focus is not perfect but on the other hand, I crop quite a bit.
I do not understand why it cannot be accepted that 5D mkII may not be meant for professionals (journalist and sports shooters in particular)

Sep 18, 2008 at 02:34 PM

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p.9 #2 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Did you know that if I were to print a maximum size of 8x10, a 2 megapixel camera is all I'd need? At 12.8, I can print 20x30" very very easily. You know how many times that size is printed? Very rarely. 12.8 megapixels is already overkill for weddings. Not a lot, just a bit, and that's just the way I like it.

mfurman wrote:
One more thing: what is it about those wedding photographers who do not want more resolution? Do people want only 4x6 or 8x10 (8x12)? I do not know, I am asking.

Sep 18, 2008 at 02:52 PM

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p.9 #3 · 5D II, hit or miss?

All this talk of cropping ability......whatever happened to people getting it right in camera? Even kinda getting it right in camera only takes minor cropping.

Sep 18, 2008 at 02:53 PM

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p.9 #4 · 5D II, hit or miss?

cineski:
All this talk of cropping ability......Even kinda getting it right in camera

You forget about lens limitations (focal length or MFD) or completely changing proportions of a picture.

Sep 18, 2008 at 02:56 PM

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p.9 #5 · 5D II, hit or miss?

cineski wrote:
All this talk of cropping ability......whatever happened to people getting it right in camera? Even kinda getting it right in camera only takes minor cropping.

If you never get the cropping wrong in-camera you are a remarkable photographer.

Pro's need all the advantages we can get, it's about earning money, sometimes we get it wrong and being able to crop can make the difference between a shot working and not working.

It gives much more flexibility in post processing too.

David

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:03 PM

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p.9 #6 · 5D II, hit or miss?

I don't understand the complaints about the weather sealing. The 5DMK2 is rated to handle the same amount of rain as a 1 series. What is the issue?

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:05 PM

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p.9 #7 · 5D II, hit or miss?

jerrykur wrote:
I don't understand the complaints about the weather sealing. The 5DMK2 is rated to handle the same amount of rain as a 1 series. What is the issue?

Some peoples reaction is bizarre. Ask for a feature, get it, then behave as if the request was ignored.
I find the "what's new" section for this camera on DPreview has a lot of cool stuff. I don't get the attitude that it's a 5D with a bigger sensor. I'll admit that the AF choice seems cheap on Canon's part. But other than that the camera looks great.

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:23 PM

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p.9 #8 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Not impressed by this camera, personally. I would've liked USEFUL features, like a better AF system.
And for me, 21mp is overkill.
Good luck to all the 17-40 owners.. you're gonna have to upgrade your lens as well.

No thanks, I'll pass on this one.

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:34 PM

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p.9 #9 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Adam L wrote:

Good luck to all the 17-40 owners.. you're gonna have to upgrade your lens as well. .

Why?

Works fine on my 1Ds3

Sep 18, 2008 at 03:34 PM

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p.9 #10 · 5D II, hit or miss?

I've run across a few 'good enough for me' comments. I guess it's like girls one guys fox is another guys bowser. I guess the perfect camera is still to come.

Sep 18, 2008 at 04:22 PM

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p.9 #11 · 5D II, hit or miss?

What the hell where you guys expecting? What else do you want from your camera?

Sep 18, 2008 at 04:39 PM

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p.9 #12 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Tim Speciale wrote:
What the hell where you guys expecting? What else do you want from your camera?

I said this yesterday. It's a *5D* replacement, not a 1-series upgrade. As such it's pretty good, very good in certain areas, not perfect. There's just a lot of people here who have got themselves very worked up, because thats what they choose to do.

David

Sep 18, 2008 at 04:43 PM

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p.9 #13 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Been looking more at the specs.

If the MkII has gained a full ISO stop in quality (if 1600 looks like the current 800) or more than I'll be having a hard time to wait more than 6 months let alone be able to skip this upgrade and wait for the MkIII or 3D(?).

This and the other improvements over the original 5D make it an interesting upgrade.

It is a shame that Canon failed to significantly improve / change the AF system (especially the number of AF points and their spacing). This I see as a major failure, that reduces the MkII to an evolutionary upgrade unlike the revolutionary one they could have released.

OTOH, it does make one wonder if they have a "3D" planned, that does feature an improved AF system and a number of slightly better specs. But it could just mean they want to go forward in small steps and/or maintain a significant difference between it and the pro bodies.

Ruy

....counting down to April 2009

Sep 18, 2008 at 05:05 PM

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p.9 #14 · 5D II, hit or miss?

rhorta wrote:

OTOH, it does make one wonder if they have a "3D" planned, that does feature an improved AF system and a number of slightly better specs. But it could just mean they want to go forward in small steps and/or maintain a significant difference between it and the pro bodies.

Ruy

....counting down to April 2009

like what?
What else do you guys want?

Sep 18, 2008 at 05:06 PM

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p.9 #15 · 5D II, hit or miss?

cineski wrote:
Did you know that if I were to print a maximum size of 8x10, a 2 megapixel camera is all I'd need? At 12.8, I can print 20x30" very very easily. You know how many times that size is printed? Very rarely. 12.8 megapixels is already overkill for weddings. Not a lot, just a bit, and that's just the way I like it.

I regularly print at a size of 80cm x 120cm, roughly 2.5' x 4', so I welcome 21 Mp without having to pay the 1DsIII price. At the same time, for weddings and events I can use sRAW1 for the same 10 Mp as my 1DIII has. You won't hear me complaining about the sensor!

OTOH, better placement of the AF-points would have been extremely welcome - where they are now they are hardly usuable. Should they not all be cross-type, that would be another shortcoming. Easily as important, I miss a second memory card slot. And, minor issue, I'd prefer not to have a mode dial but buttons instead like the 1D series so I won't accidentally change the shooting mode.

My complaints won't keep me from buying though. Still debating wether to sell my current 5D or just add the 5D2. Having two FF cameras plus a 1DIII would be handy every now and again but total overkill 95% of the time...

Sep 18, 2008 at 06:17 PM

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p.9 #16 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Adam L wrote:
Good luck to all the 17-40 owners.. you're gonna have to upgrade your lens as well.

Sep 18, 2008 at 06:20 PM

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p.9 #17 · 5D II, hit or miss?

timnosenzo wrote:
Adam L wrote:
Good luck to all the 17-40 owners.. you're gonna have to upgrade your lens as well.

How do you mean?

Sep 18, 2008 at 06:21 PM

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p.9 #18 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Should they not all be cross-type, that would be another shortcoming.

The "outer" AF points are definetely not cross type. The 5D2 AF uses the same hardware as the 5D AF.

Sep 18, 2008 at 06:22 PM

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p.9 #19 · 5D II, hit or miss?

amoergosum wrote:
timnosenzo wrote:
Adam L wrote:
Good luck to all the 17-40 owners.. you're gonna have to upgrade your lens as well.

How do you mean?

Because apparently once sensors start out resolving lenses, the quality of images from those lenses magically drops below it was before. The FM logic seems to be that if you have a bad lens on a good sensor you get a bad image. but if you have a bad lens on a bad sensor you get a good image somehow. It's ok, i don't exactly get it either.

Sep 18, 2008 at 06:42 PM

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p.9 #20 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Daan B wrote:
Should they not all be cross-type, that would be another shortcoming.

The "outer" AF points are definetely not cross type. The 5D2 AF uses the same hardware as the 5D AF.

You're probably right but I've seen so many links to websites saying yay or nay that I'll wait until the white-papers hit the street before being sure about what's in or isn't...

Sep 18, 2008 at 07:49 PM

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p.9 #21 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Emile Gregoire wrote:
Daan B wrote:
Should they not all be cross-type, that would be another shortcoming.

The "outer" AF points are definetely not cross type. The 5D2 AF uses the same hardware as the 5D AF.

You're probably right but I've seen so many links to websites saying yay or nay that I'll wait until the white-papers hit the street before being sure about what's in or isn't...

Trust me... the evidence is there... The guy from DPreview had one on his desk and could confirm the outer AF points were definetely not cross types. Nout over at CPS NL confirmed the same thing. He had the cam in his hands yesterday...

Sep 18, 2008 at 07:55 PM

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p.9 #22 · 5D II, hit or miss?

rhorta:
It is a shame that Canon failed to significantly improve / change the AF system (especially the number of AF points and their spacing). This I see as a major failure, that reduces the MkII to an evolutionary upgrade unlike the revolutionary one they could have released.

What else, apart from focusing system, makes this camera "an evolutionary upgrade"?
I see quite a few great things for <$3000.

Sep 18, 2008 at 07:57 PM

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p.9 #23 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Tim Speciale wrote:
rhorta wrote:

OTOH, it does make one wonder if they have a "3D" planned, that does feature an improved AF system and a number of slightly better specs. But it could just mean they want to go forward in small steps and/or maintain a significant difference between it and the pro bodies.

Ruy

....counting down to April 2009

like what?
What else do you guys want?

First I have a 5D, had it for a couple of years now and am happy with it.

Although I am far from fluent in English I think I made my point clear.

That after looking at the specs I am tempted, that I will find it hard to not replace my 5D within 6 months. That if the ISO quality has gained a full stop or more it will be even harder to do so. The other gains will be icing on the cake.

But lack of significant AF improvement has made it an evolutionary upgrade of the original 5D, that doesn't mean I don't value that upgrade.

This forum is getting to be a bore with the constant polarization.

I think that my post was reasonably constructive.

Ruy

Again...lets see if I can manage a 6 month wait...

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:21 PM

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p.9 #24 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Looks to me like the percentages in the bar graph have remained roughly the same since shortly after this poll started, even as the number of votes climbs.

Sep 18, 2008 at 09:41 PM

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p.9 #25 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Looks like my pole is running out of steam, so I wanted to say thanks to all who participated. I've enjoyed watching the results and reading the posts. Glad to know I'm not alone.

For you guys who are buying, enjoy and don't forget to write a review. I'll look forward to reading those as well.

Sep 19, 2008 at 02:43 PM


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