dan9 wrote:
I didn't vote because my answer is not on the list
The 5DII looks to be a "hit" (as much as expensive cameras can be considered "hits"), but I'm just not in the market to replace my 5D... I really don't need more MP right now, and while the better LCD would be really appreciated by me, it just isn't enough to spend the $$$
Its actually in there if you look. Not word for word, but it does say "Not what I want, will stick with current setup"
Gil_W wrote:
I honestly don't think Canon wants to disrupt their 1DsX sales and that is why we are not seeing some of the features we would have liked to have seen.
I am really interested to see how the video is going to work out, to me I might get to like that feature.
Gil
Thats exactly their plan. I had posted that on the rumor thread a while back as well. My friend is sponsored by Canon and they showed him the new camera and he asked why they didnt put a new auto focus in it and they told him they want to encourage people who can use the better AF to buy their pro cameras instead.
I am disappointed Canon didn't use the 5Dmk2 release to bring out a true 3D model, a mini 1D series in a small body. Nikon did it with the D3/D700 combo.
Lots of features I don't really want (liveview, HD video, 21 Megapixels) and missing features I do want (dual CF slots, faster fps, better AF, shorter mirror blackout time).
The 21 Megapixels is overkill for the majority of users, I would rather have fewer pixels and better frame rate and high iso performance. At least Canon could have included a faster frame rate in sRAW mode?
I am sure it will prove to be an excellent camera and ideal for studio, landscape and travel work. It is still not the great all-rounder that it could have been, although I expect this is deliberate on Canon's part.
And where is the 24-70 f2.8 L IS Canon now makes four+ IS lenses in this focal range (17-55 f2.8 EF-S, 24-105 F4 L IS, 28-300 L IS, 18-55 EF-S kit lens!) so why is there main pro zoom still missing IS?? And optically it is poor which is ironic given Canon's push to high megapixel sensors.
I will be waiting to see what Canon offers in 2009 (new 1D at PMA?) but at the moment I will stick with my existing 5D's although the Nikon D3/D700 is more tempting than ever.
seanbolton wrote:
The 21 Megapixels is overkill for the majority of users, I would rather have fewer pixels and better frame rate and high iso performance. At least Canon could have included a faster frame rate in sRAW mode?
I am sure it will prove to be an excellent camera and ideal for studio, landscape and
Sean
When you actually delve into a 21 meg RAW file the first time it's quite an experience, it just goes on and on,
Pixels do win prizes if they don't create noise, with my 1Ds3 there are just so many the need for enlargement is less and the quality is outstanding. The 5DII will be just as good if not better
I agree the 21 Megapixel files are excellent but this size of file is not a priority for me, and I guess the majority of photographers who never print bigger than A3+.
For studio, landscape, travel, or shooting that next Gucci ad campaign it will be perfect.
For me I would prefer a more rounded camera in terms of functionality (AF speed, FPS, etc). The D700 is about right in this respect.
The 1DsMk3 is the perfect camera for me, but I need two, and at £4500 a throw it is just too expensive at the moment.
seanbolton wrote:
I agree the 21 Megapixel files are excellent but this size of file is not a priority for me, and I guess the majority of photographers who never print bigger than A3+.
For studio, landscape, travel, or shooting that next Gucci ad campaign it will be perfect.
For me I would prefer a more rounded camera in terms of functionality (AF speed, FPS, etc). The D700 is about right in this respect.
The 1DsMk3 is the perfect camera for me, but I need two, and at £4500 a throw it is just too expensive at the moment.
Sean
Well it has a 10 meg sRAW, so that should suit, and 4 fps isn't too bad and personally I've always found the 5D AF to be pretty good, this will probably be better still
I'm in no way defending Canon, but I think we should give the cam a chance before we commit it to room 101, that's all.
torwinen wrote:
Sold my 5D for a 1DII because of the same thing. I cant understand why Canon did not put 40D/50D AF to 5DII. Would have been very interested about 5DII if they did.
It's clearly stated that all sensors are cross type and work with lenses with maximum aperture of f/5,6, plus an X type sensor at the center for additional sensitivity, working even better with f/2,8 lenses. And of course the "hidden" assist AF sensors around it. To me it seems like a "marriage" of the 40/50D's autofocussing system with the EOS 5D's. It is improved. If you ad an 300/2,8L IS you can track 50km moving objects, down to 8 meters away like the 1D MKII or III.
I think we all need to learn and understand the features of the 5D II, acquaint ourselves with its capabilities and performance, and perhaps even USE THE CAMERA before we return to trashing it and any other Canon product that doesn't deliver exactly what we, individually and uniquely, feel it must. With more information, we can trash the 5D II more precisely.
I just hope we don't discover that it's actually a very fine camera with great IQ and many new, improved, and valuable features.
prof_fate wrote:
You mean the '6 invisible AF assist points' are not new? I don't like the spacing of the AF points on the 5D and no one around here uses it for weddings as it's low light focus sucks (compared to the very popular for weddings 40D/1d3). If the AF really is the same I'm probably gonna pass.
That's disappointing. Oh well. Canon's loss more than mine I suppose.
Invisible AF points don't exist. Nothing but Pixie Dust.
I used to follow all the "specs" and thought, no, KNEW! that each and every nuance of capability could make or break me as an artist. Alas, I was chasing pixies. My ideas of tools and capabilities has since matured.
This camera doubles my current pixel count. That's the tipping point for me. I know what 10mpixel is capable of and it many times blows my socks off.
Will twice as much real estate make me twice the artist? No. That's not the point. For me, its the added capability to make larger images and retain the resolution I'm looking for.
philber wrote:
A member even posted the picture of all the extra seals and gaskets in the 5DII.
I think we need to take a closer look at the 'improved' weather sealing of the 5DII. Everything shown in green is simply tighter tolerances for fitting things together, no gaskets or seals involved (a la the 50D, as I recall).
Cameras are often more than the sum of the parts. What the hell do we know until you hold it in your hands and actually use it? Nevertheless, I suspect it will sell well and, if no serious glitches, will be kickass.
Given that the AF is exactly the same as the 5D we don't have to wait to have it in our hands, we already know exactly what it's like. A single useable focus point. In 2008.
Yeah, it seems we are developing a little cult of personality here. After months of repeating it in every post he's now developing a band of acolytes who identify themselves by repeating the mantra ...
I honestly just don't get why people spend so much energy defending a company like Canon. How many of the Canon apologists on here are full-time professionals? I adore my 5D's for the most part, and I'm quite certain the new one will have awesome IQ. I like everything about the camera except the AF. It was really just a major cock-up by Canon, and one that was 100% predictable.
It's not even like it makes good business sense. How many 1Ds III's do they sell a year, compared to the lower end models? I'm willing to bet they make far more money from the Rebels and XXD's. Why not price the new 5D at ~$3500-4k, and give it true weather sealing and pro level AF? There's a ton of people who want/need those features, but don't want the bulk of a 1D, and are willing to pay 1DIII prices to get a camera like that. They'd sell a HELL of a lot of them ... yes it would eat into 1-series sales, but if you make more money in the end, who gives a rat's? Profit is the name of the game, and Canon is doing everything they can to lessen their take.
I'm sure one of the Canon-is-my-god people will tell me why I'm an idiot now, and why over 3 years, it's too much to expect some sort of step forward in the AF department.
Equally though, you might admit, there are some here who seem to get enormously worked up denouncing them. Both extremes begin to get a little tiresome if you ask me.
The 5DII looks to be a "hit" (as much as expensive cameras can be considered "hits"), but I'm just not in the market to replace my 5D... I really don't need more MP right now, and while the better LCD would be really appreciated by me, it just isn't enough to spend the $$$
Canon now makes four+ IS lenses in this focal range (17-55 f2.8 EF-S, 24-105 F4 L IS, 28-300 L IS, 18-55 EF-S kit lens!) so why is there main pro zoom still missing IS?? And optically it is poor which is ironic given Canon's push to high megapixel sensors.
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