Emile Gregoire wrote:
You're probably right but I've seen so many links to websites saying yay or nay that I'll wait until the white-papers hit the street before being sure about what's in or isn't...
Trust me... the evidence is there... The guy from DPreview had one on his desk and could confirm the outer AF points were definetely not cross types. Nout over at CPS NL confirmed the same thing. He had the cam in his hands yesterday...
rhorta:
It is a shame that Canon failed to significantly improve / change the AF system (especially the number of AF points and their spacing). This I see as a major failure, that reduces the MkII to an evolutionary upgrade unlike the revolutionary one they could have released.
What else, apart from focusing system, makes this camera "an evolutionary upgrade"?
I see quite a few great things for <$3000.
Tim Speciale wrote:
like what?
What else do you guys want?
First I have a 5D, had it for a couple of years now and am happy with it.
Although I am far from fluent in English I think I made my point clear.
That after looking at the specs I am tempted, that I will find it hard to not replace my 5D within 6 months. That if the ISO quality has gained a full stop or more it will be even harder to do so. The other gains will be icing on the cake.
But lack of significant AF improvement has made it an evolutionary upgrade of the original 5D, that doesn't mean I don't value that upgrade.
This forum is getting to be a bore with the constant polarization.
I think that my post was reasonably constructive.
Ruy
Again...lets see if I can manage a 6 month wait...
Looks to me like the percentages in the bar graph have remained roughly the same since shortly after this poll started, even as the number of votes climbs.
Looks like my pole is running out of steam, so I wanted to say thanks to all who participated. I've enjoyed watching the results and reading the posts. Glad to know I'm not alone.
For you guys who are buying, enjoy and don't forget to write a review. I'll look forward to reading those as well.
Tim Speciale wrote:
Because apparently once sensors start out resolving lenses, the quality of images from those lenses magically drops below it was before. The FM logic seems to be that if you have a bad lens on a good sensor you get a bad image. but if you have a bad lens on a bad sensor you get a good image somehow. It's ok, i don't exactly get it either.
Not at all. It's common sense isn't it?
You have a lens that can resolve 16mp max (let's just say). You mate it to a sensor with 21mp. Doesn't that tell you the lens won't be able to resolve the entire sensor?
It's not magic, and I'm not just making anything up. I know a couple of landscape photogs who have noticed the drop in IQ using the 17-40 on a 1Ds III, and upgraded to the 16-35 II to combat this.
Remember, the 16-35 II was DESIGNED with high resolution sensors in mind. Canon know this is an issue. If they do, surely I'm not making this up...
I want a full frame compact camera, and I'm invested in the system so it's this or an original version of the 5D. For me, at least the minimum of weather sealing and dust reduction are the key new features. The 21 MP/1080 resolution are icing, hopefully well delivered. 12.8 meets my needs as it is. 3.9 FPS is fast enough for me. More critical to my needs is that the camera be fast in responding to my own inputs.
I don't think I'll find the movie mode that important, but it's good to have, I guess. I'd just as soon not lug around any added complexity (or weight) for the audio support. I wouldn't want to lug a 1D around even if I got it for free given my needs, but the notion of great IQ (hopefully) coupled with good build will seal the deal assuming they deliver on that. Otherwise, I'll be bottom fishing for an old version 5D. I expect the new camera will be well received, and I think the price is competitive and reasonable given the alternatives on the market.
prof_fate wrote:
all points are cross type like the 40D, with the center 'additionally sensitive with 2.8 or better lenses' - meaning X and + like the 40D.
From the 5DII website: "Nine AF points — eight horizontal-line sensitive at f/5.6 and one cross-type, vertical-line sensitive at f/2.8 — combine with six invisible Assist AF points to provide speedy and precise focusing of even fast moving subjects."
Only the center AF sensor is cross-type.... same old AF....
rhorta wrote:
.It is a shame that Canon failed to significantly improve / change the AF system (especially the number of AF points and their spacing).
This is the one thing that really dissapoints me about the 5DII.
The "centrally focused" AF points of the 5D makes using AF at the edge of the frame very difficult (which I do frequently), especially with fast lenses where focus-recompose just doesn't work.
all the sites and the "CANON-people"confirms that all AF points are "cross-type" at apertures "f/5.6 and faster" and the center AF point gets even more precise at apertures f/2.8 and faster.SO THE ALL 9 POINTS ARE CROSS TYPE!!!!!!!!
I saw 40 seconds ago the 5DII's web site and indeed is writen there that 8 of the AF points are horizontal senzitive at f/5.6 and smaller(this means that at apertures 5.6 and wider,until 2.8 these 8 points are becoming or are acting like "cross-type"points??) and 1 is a "cross-type" at all apertures until 2.8 when becomes a vertical senzitive point THAT'S NOT WHAT I READ BEFORE IN ALL STATEMENTS made by "Canon people".
Sep 21, 2008 at 02:35 PM
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No, you are confused. The center point is a cross point and has extra sensitivity at apertures of 2.8 and wider. The other 8 points are not cross point and function on lenses 5.6 and wider. Here is a cut and paste from the Canon website:
Yes,you're right ,STEVE SPENCER, just checked now,only 40D and 50D are the only 2 models from all models that are using the "9 points AF sistem" that it has all 9 points being "cross-type" points. ONLY 40D and 50D,but I don't understand why they didn't put the same AF sistem in the 5DII? Maybe they think that the 5DII owners don't need some extra-precision!!!!!!!!!
gabimaster wrote:
Yes,you're right ,STEVE SPENCER, just checked now,only 40D and 50D are the only 2 models from all models that are using the "9 points AF sistem" that it has all 9 points being "cross-type" points. ONLY 40D and 50D,but I don't understand why they didn't put the same AF sistem in the 5DII? Maybe they think that the 5DII owners don't need some extra-precision!!!!!!!!!
This was quite silly of Canon, IMO. I just don't understand their thinking here.
The difference between D700 and 5DII is only 250$; indeed,the IQ is in favor of CANON (by a little,not more),but in all other aspects,D700 offer some more(especialy THE AF sistem).The only thing that stops me from changing the brand is that I shoot mostly(95%) of the time in JPEG,and Jpegs taken with NIKON cameras are terribly soft;2.even if Nikon pushed very high the ISO values,the EXPEED processor is washing so hard the images that it become some pictures with terrible lack of detail(it's more important to make a sensor that produce pictures with very low noise than to "extract" it after with the processor-like NIKON does).But I'm very tempted to switch the brand if Nikon will improve their sensor quality(I mean Sony).
I have no doubts ,Jonathan,that 5DII is an EXTREMELY CAPABLE DSLR in the IQ side,but for a photographer need a good AF sistem(which 5DII has for non-moving subjects or slow moving subjects) for fast moving subjects tracking.
cineski wrote:
All this talk of cropping ability......whatever happened to people getting it right in camera? Even kinda getting it right in camera only takes minor cropping.
You've touched on the exact reason why they are moving toward video in still cameras: Amateurs using the shotgun approach will have a better chance of getting that 'one-in-a-million' image! Set the camera to AF and auto-bracketing, quickly spray the whole field of view in front of you, cherry-pick the keepers, crop a little and you're good to go...
(the only drawback is you don't have a small body).
