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Deezie wrote:
As always, terrific shots Simon. Doesn't hurt when you have a beautiful subject that the camera loves. Keep up the good work.


Thanks, Darryl! I felt so bad for that girl, though...gorgeous girl and a totally sweet kid, but that was days before the start of this past NY Fashion Week and her agency had her all over the place. She had two go-sees that morning, then spent like 4 hours in my studio, then left at 5pm to make another two go-sees. Any time she wasn't on camera or in makeup she was collapsed on the green room couch trying to stay awake. I think she actually dozed off with the hot-rollers in her hair at one point.

Anyone who thinks fashion and model work is glamorous has a rude awakening in store!

As to the other thing...I think we're all on the right track, but it's just a different way of thinking about it. Shooting with pack/head kits and limited output variability forced me to start using relative source distance to adjust exposure, and once you start that way of thinking you start thinking about using distance to vary both exposure across objects at different relative depths and also varying relative size. I love seeing the figurative lightbulbs go off over people's heads in my workshops when I explain how you can adjust the exposure on both a subject and background using a single source by adjusting the relative distance between the three objects.

The eye-opener for me was in a fashion workshop with a photographer I assisted years ago, when he showed how a Profoto head with just the Zoom reflector could be considered a soft source if you used it right. Positioned it really close to your subject and feathered it forward, so that they were taking the indirect light scatter off the edge of the reflector rather than the bare bulb output. Not only does the closeness of the source seriously increase its relative size but the indirect light dramatically increases the "softness", just like a softbox diffuser does. It's a little counter-intuitive but it totally works.



Oct 01, 2009 at 11:29 AM
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In case this has already been shared, I apologize, but for anyone who has not used this, it's a great free app designed by someone who is "Strobist" participant:

Lighting Diagrams

R.J.




Oct 01, 2009 at 12:39 PM
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Yeah, it's the exact same feathering concept...but I think it's more-intuitive with sources like softboxes and beauty dishes but something we don't think about as much with hard sources. Admittedly Profoto's reflectors are really designed for this, since you can zoom them in to maximize the indirect surface and minimize the direct light. And when you're using the indirect light you can bring that source really close, the same way you would with a softbox or beauty dish, and use it as a relatively-larger one.

This is something that Jerry Avenaim's talked about with the Magnum reflector as well, treating it like one would use the edges of a big fresnel's light.

I'm still playing with it and trying to find the right way to integrate it into how I work - it's definitely a more-finessed approach that's probably best for stuff like beauty work or carefully-composed portraits, but I really think there's something there.

It's not the best example, but I tossed this setup into a recent agency test shoot just to see what it would look like. This was a pair of Profoto Acute2 heads facing each other from about 3-4' apart with just the zoom reflectors on them...I had the model step back until he was just on the edge of the indirect light coming off the reflectors. He was probably less than 2' from each head. This was exposed by just the modeling lights, no strobes fired.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2490/3973756546_1f81312b5f.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2551/3974664740_3de1d0db32.jpg

Edited on Oct 02, 2009 at 09:18 AM · View previous versions



Oct 01, 2009 at 11:05 PM
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plastic_lens wrote:
In case this has already been shared, I apologize, but for anyone who has not used this, it's a great free app designed by someone who is "Strobist" participant:

Lighting Diagrams

R.J.



Maybe it's a momentary bug, but the app doesn't work for me in current versions of either Firefox or Safari.



Oct 02, 2009 at 08:50 AM
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Simon wrote: It's not the best example, but I tossed this setup into a recent agency test shoot just to see what it would look like. This was a pair of Profoto Acute2 heads facing each other from about 3-4' apart with just the zoom reflectors on them...I had the model step back until he was just on the edge of the indirect light coming off the reflectors. He was probably less than 2' from each head. This was exposed by just the modeling lights, no strobes fired.

I like it. It's an excellent use of light and shadows on the subject with face being prominent and the reduced light on the body adding depth and dimension by being surrounded with heavy shadows, yet separated from the background. That what I really like about the Profoto reflectors. I'm surprised more brands aren't offering this type of feature.

Is there a reason you shot with the modeling lights and not the flash tube?



Oct 02, 2009 at 09:57 AM
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Just playing with really shallow and critical DOF. I love using a razor-thin in-focus plane to force a viewer's attention somewhere, much like you get with large-format exposures, even though it's a headache to shoot. Getting it in the studio can be a lot of fun, almost lends a sort of Old Hollywood moody element to a shot.


Oct 02, 2009 at 10:17 AM
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Simon,
I dig the shot, not my usual style but definitely very interesting. The only thing that confuses me is that the lights are equidistant and just modeling lights, but the neck shadow would seem to indicate a large difference in power. Did you have one of the acute's modelling lights turned far down?



Oct 02, 2009 at 10:49 AM
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Nope, maybe a slight difference in the feathering angles, but it's mostly just a matter of distance. I mean, if each light is like 18" away from the model's face and he just leans a few inches to one side or cocks his head a bit suddenly you've got relative distances of 12" and 24" between the two heads...that's enough to show a pronounced difference in exposure. Same for turning his head away a bit, since he's standing on the edge of the light pattern and can drop out of it by just rocking back on his heels a little. I've got all kinds of shots showing dramatic differences in exposure as he leaned forward and back a little bit or real changes in the character of the light as he moved forward enough to pick up direct light from one of the heads.


Oct 02, 2009 at 12:57 PM
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haha saw it on flickr
it does seem like a big shadow from his head.
either way it is a great shot



Oct 02, 2009 at 03:56 PM
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Okay, here's another "anatomy of a shoot" from a couple of days ago.

I wanted to get a little bit of outdoor shooting done before it got too cold out, so I lined up a couple of models from Ford Models and Basic Model Management for a test shoot. I blocked out one model for the morning for the location work, then another for the afternoon so we could overlap the two on studio looks. We set an 8am call time at the studio so we could do initial hair/makeup and pre-sort the wardrobe, then hit the road out to Jones Beach on Long Island.

As per usual, this is where things start to go off the rails a little bit. Jones Beach doesn't have the sections that I'd scouted the week before open to the public, so we end up on a different section. And the lovely, perfectly overcast day that I'd hoped for (so that we could shoot cool Autumn looks) turned into a bright, hot, sunny, summery day as soon as we arrived. And it turns out that my light meter has died overnight, leaving me feeling totally hamstrung and moronic. No problem, let's shoot!

(The images posted in this thread have gotten only basic editing and no retouching, so be kind!)

We start out doing some very simple natural-light commercial looks, more for myself than for the agency. Here's Anita, the hair and makeup artist, doing a little touch-up on Kaitlyn:

http://www.simongerzina.com/temp/fm/DSC_2331.jpg

And one of the resulting shots:

http://www.simongerzina.com/temp/fm/DSC_2484.jpg

That's just natural light with a small Lastolite Tri-Grip diffusing the sun landing on her face. Not going to post them all, but we do roughly 3 wardrobe changes and setups along these lines.

Then we move on to a more editorial look so that Kaitlyn's booker doesn't get pissed off at me. I break out the Profoto AcuteB and a large Softlighter, mount it to a monopod as a quickie boom, move up onto one of the dunes. I enlist Anita and Francesca, the wardrobe stylist, to keep everything from blowing away:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2514/3986024564_4b4207fd7a.jpg

And here's one of the resulting shots:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3465/3984551735_6f90312b38_o.jpg

Then we realize we're running late, so we make a quick pee break then hop in the car and head back to the city.

Anna, the next model, turns out to be running a few minutes late, so we unpack at the studio and grab a quick lunch, then start with the next setup. Anna goes through hair and makeup first while we do a fitting of the next looks on Kaitlyn, then I reset lights and start with Anna while Kaitlyn goes into makeup.

We're shooting a simple, clean, retro studio look of a pseudo editorial "story" using a bunch of vintage rock'n'roll t-shirts. Here's a quick setup shot:

http://www.simongerzina.com/temp/fm/DSC_2704.jpg

Lighting was a 5' octa to camera left with just the inner diffuser installed, an Acute2 ringflash on the camera with the WideSoft adapter on it, some of the shots had another head with a 40-deg grid behind the models to camera-right. There was generally a fan on the models as well. Here's a diagram:

http://www.simongerzina.com/temp/fm/DSC_2974-diagram.jpg

And resulting shots of Anna and Kaitlyn:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3985208806_11d5c264f4_o.jpg
http://www.simongerzina.com/temp/fm/DSC_2974.jpg

While waiting on a hair/makeup change for Kaitlyn I set up a quick second lighting scheme for Anna that didn't disturb the first (added a Profoto backlight with just Zoom reflector, kept the ringflash at the same setting and just removed the octa from the previous look):

http://www.simongerzina.com/temp/fm/DSC_2734.jpg

These are the kind of images that I know will require more retouching (backlight is hell on stray hairs) but I also know that her agency will really dig, so the 10 minutes it took to setup for them is more than worthwhile - between an additional setup and a cigarette break for the team I'll usually pick the additional setup. We were getting close to running out of time on Anna after a couple of wardrobe changes, so we did one last change and ran outside to do a quick natural-light look in the same hair and makeup:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3510/3982668552_1988f0c817_o.jpg

And a behind the scenes on that:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/3986063740_d9f2679352.jpg

That's Francesca again, holding a large piece of white/silver foamcore to get a little more light in Anna's face. After that we called Anna a car service and sent her packing. Kaitlyn had no other plans for the afternoon, so she stuck around. We finished out the rock look and decided to do two clean portrait looks for her agency, which required another hair/makeup change, one of which I don't have samples yet for but one I do. Here's one of the shots:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2579/3986956525_723f3d1d5a.jpg

And here's a diagram:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/3988180826_480abc2180_o.jpg

After that we called a couple more car services, cleaned up the studio and went home for a later dinner!

All said, about 900 exposures were made of 8 setups across 3 locations with about 10 wardrobe and 6 hair/makeup changes.



Oct 06, 2009 at 03:51 PM
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Awesome...

Thanks for sharing. I just realized, Kaitlyn looks just like the actress Poppy Montgomery. She's a dead ringer.

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Oct 06, 2009 at 04:04 PM
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@shatterkiss:

WOWOWOW... this is so awesome! Fantastic POST, totally love the diagrams and the resulting images from it!

This thread should never die!



Oct 06, 2009 at 04:05 PM
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Fantastic, thanks for sharing!



Oct 06, 2009 at 04:38 PM
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Thanks, guys!

Darryl, you're totally right...I hadn't noticed that before but she's definitely got that look from the right angles. Total sweetheart of a kid, too - she was with us for like 10 hours on a Sunday!



Oct 06, 2009 at 04:43 PM
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Dear Simon, Darryl, Sid, & Friends

Thank you for your contributions to this forum!

Showing images you've created, images of how you did it, diagrams, and written explanations provide a fantastic educational experience!

Leo, most of the heavy hitters here recommend the Avenger C-stands with grip arms. I love Paul Buff's equipment, but the boom arm clamp is an exception. I already feel insecure when I'm adjusting lights around a model/client/victim, and when I adjust the Bee boom clamp and hear it cracking, that just adds to my own tension. To be fair, though, I've never used any other clamp or boom arm. I hope to be able to afford an Avenger C-stand with grip arm within the next few months. (Also on my list are Cyber Commander, Paul's new beauty dish, and a solid-state disk. My wife may kill me before I get around the the C-stand.)

(As a pure tangent, wouldn't it be so cool to have a wireless remote control for adjusting a motorized lightstand/grip arm/boom/light mount? The light could have a remote control laser point on it to see where it's center is pointing.)

--Jaddie



Oct 06, 2009 at 07:45 PM
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Wow... Right when I thought this forum was heading downhill a few generous posts sucks me right back in!

Big thanks for taking the time to share. I think that unedited shots help me understand the lighting better but I understand if people are reluctant to show their 'unfinished' work.



Oct 06, 2009 at 08:15 PM
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shatterkiss wrote:
While waiting on a hair/makeup change for Kaitlyn I set up a quick second lighting scheme for Anna that didn't disturb the first (added a Profoto backlight with just Zoom reflector, kept the ringflash at the same setting and just removed the octa from the previous look):

http://www.simongerzina.com/temp/fm/DSC_2734.jpg


Excellent post! Do you remember the approx. lighting ratio on these shots.



Oct 06, 2009 at 09:49 PM
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Thanks!

I don't really think in terms of ratios so much as difference between f-stops...I know it's mostly semantics, but that's just how I was trained to approach it.

Of course, since I was flying blind without a meter for once I'm not sure exactly where everything metered. If the model's highlight side was at-exposure, then her shadow side was probably about 2 stops down. The ringflash was just lifting the shadows a bit. With backlight like that you really don't need a lot of output, as it's banging right into the lens...if the ringflash was getting about 125ws and was 10' from the model then the backlight was getting about 220ws and is also acting as key. I failed to note it above, but there was probably a reflector panel to camera left bouncing the backlight back into her face.



Oct 06, 2009 at 10:08 PM
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Thanks shatterkiss...that last post was awesome. I'm amazed you guys had the energy to do all that


Oct 06, 2009 at 10:09 PM
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Just found this thread. I guess I'll bring it back to life. Here is my setup shot for a beach shoot:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/3903200332_4f77bb489a_o.jpg

The results from that morning:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3516/3864253848_53b5227c76_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/3864266770_6415881838_o.jpg



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