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p.1 #1 · First Time Critique Post


Hi all! Longtime lurker exposing his vulnerable bits on the FM Forum for the first time. I think these would be perfect entries for this month's assignment but unfortunately they were taken in July, so as George Washington never said, "I cannot tell a lie." I'm posting both because I almost think of them as a diptych; one hour apart, I love the juxtaposition of the two blues and the striking differences in light. C & C is welcome, remembering I just got off the bus and there's some scary talent in this town!

As an aside, I was on vacation and had been out since 4am so my personal name for them is "As the Family Slept."

A little background: I'm 54, live in Birch Bay, WA, shoot product, food and portraits for a living, and my avatar is from a rock band PR pic shot in 1975 when I was 21.



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Aug 31, 2008 at 05:26 PM
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p.1 #2 · First Time Critique Post


Outstanding!

Aug 31, 2008 at 06:22 PM
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p.1 #3 · First Time Critique Post


Love the pictures!
Welcome, and keep them coming!

Aug 31, 2008 at 07:34 PM
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Very very nice, thanks for sharing. The only very minor nit I would have is that in the second one, I personally think it might look better if the big rock wasn't quite so dead center and just a wee bit more to the right. Other than that, these are just lovely shots. I wish I had the fortitude to get up before first light to capture that early light!

Jo

Aug 31, 2008 at 08:08 PM
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1 is very nice, nice composition, nice depth, nice colors - perhaps a bit more beach in front might improve but I am being picky.

2nd is really nice but I think needs the middle of the curve in curve dragged down a bit to be a liittle less bright.

Good job - I look forward to more.

I would post a bit bigger (800-900 long) so we can seem them better.

Aug 31, 2008 at 11:06 PM
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p.1 #6 · First Time Critique Post


These are both outstanding to my amateur eye. I particularly love the first one as in addition to being a beautiful photograph, it is also quite moody. I too definitely look forward to seeing more.

Aug 31, 2008 at 11:15 PM
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p.1 #7 · First Time Critique Post


You wasted our time while you only lurked.

Sep 01, 2008 at 06:04 AM
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p.1 #8 · First Time Critique Post


DIE DIE DIE!


you are a pro!

those are amazing shots!

i wish i could shoot like such

cheers!

Sep 01, 2008 at 06:23 AM
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p.1 #9 · First Time Critique Post


Both are great,
n.1. is outstanding!

I wish my first post was as nice as your.. but I have so much to learn.......

Thanks for sharing!

Sep 01, 2008 at 08:15 AM
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Wow! Thanks so much for the positive reenforcement! Jo is quite right, in #2 the sea-stacks on the left are a little close to the edge; being a product shooter my favorite head is a Bogen 410 with x, y, and z axis fine tuning and when I look at this shot my hand almost wants to reach down and tweak that pan knob to the left - so it _does_ succeed in taking me back. This shot was also much more impromptu; #1 I had contemplated for several minutes, but just before 7am I had essentially given up for the morning and was walking back up the beach thinking about this little espresso place I knew was open. Feeling good while thinking I had a couple nice ones in the can I sucked in a big lungful of that clean Pacific air and casually turned toward the rock, continuing toward my car but taking a few steps backward. When I saw the tide had uncovered those rocks and reflection were was right there! I think my eye was drifting toward those nice cloud scribbles. And yeah, we were there four mornings and I was out at first light between 4 and 4:30 every day. It's like a drug for me. When I know I'm at a special place and I'm going to shoot, my eyes fly open just before the alarm goes off and I start visualizing the places I may have scoped midday before or what the tide tables said, or just generally that high I think we all feel when we capture the magic.

Scott, I just realized that the #2 I posted is a reduced version with the curves adjustment layer turned on to lighten it for a 21inch wide print I made on my Epson 3800 - which is why it's a tad bright. Good eye! I'd love to post a little bigger in the future! I was afraid these would be too big for the forum and didn't want to get smacked for my first image post. In a little bigger version you can really see the birds on and around the top of Haystack.



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Thanks again, you make me feel welcome and at home!

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Sep 01, 2008 at 09:48 AM
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p.1 #11 · First Time Critique Post


Jeff,
As you have heard, these are spectacular shots. Those of us lucky enough (and skillful enough) to occassionally shoot this well usually post to other forums. It is not clear what critique I can offer. But it would be great to see more and have you share your thoughts on the images here. Most of us are amateurs. Some, like me, imagine all the glory, fantastic wealth, great artistic accomplishments, pure satisfaction without any hard work that surely comes with being a pro!
Welcome.
Scott G

Sep 02, 2008 at 12:07 AM
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p.1 #12 · First Time Critique Post


Thanks Scott! I just posted an experiment from this last Saturday in the Landscape forum. Cheers, Jeff

Sep 02, 2008 at 09:14 AM
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p.1 #13 · First Time Critique Post


I liked them both, although the first has an especially appealing serenity in color and composition.

If I might offer a sacrilegious suggestion, the birds are so small they can distract. (At most viewing distances, do they not look, at least at first glance, to perhaps be lint?) Have you considered cloning them out?

Sep 03, 2008 at 02:33 AM
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Hello New Zealand! I have an ex-pat Kiwi neighbor that makes his living rebuilding '57 Chevy show cars exclusively. Fun couple, their kids play with my kids (their two boys, my two girls). I've heard it said that there is no innate difference between men and women but I'll always remember when my youngest girl and their youngest boy were around 2 1/2 or 3 and I stumbled upon them quietly playing in my daughter's room; she lining up her shoes ever so neatly in the closet; he stockpiling a mound of rocks from the yard one bucketful at a time! I had to laugh.

Anyway, thanks for the kind words. First, being a commercial photog (and PS user since v1) I have no purist sentiments beyond the inner satisfaction of getting the exposure and framing spot-on in-camera. It's magic to get it right, but when it isn't I think it's silly (and a bit luddite) to forego the tools at hand to achieve your desired ends because of some self-punishing ideal, but that's just me. What's the old biblical saw, "...if thine (sic) eye offends thee, pluck it out," or some such thing. ;-) In this case however, since the birds look awesome in print (even though the non-flyers are still just specs - the ones in flight make you understand what they are) I have to chalk up the "lint look" to the shortcomings of electronic display and the jpeg and I agree (now that you've pointed it out danmit! ) that on screen they are a bit distracting. But I guess in what could be called a "purist" stance, yet I really don't mean this in any elitist way, my one great belief is that even in the wonderful age of digital, "the proof is still in the print." That said, hey, that's a pretty good idea for screen versions of any subject; if it's a nuisance why not nuke it for that application, I'd certainly do that for a print if necessary. Shhh, I don't want to offend anyone, but think about it, with all the hours he spent in the darkroom dodging and burning and codifying the Zone System, I think we can safely assume "Ansel would do it!"

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Sep 03, 2008 at 07:41 AM
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p.1 #15 · First Time Critique Post


You've made me curious. How are the prints to be viewed?




Sep 03, 2008 at 09:39 AM
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p.1 #16 · First Time Critique Post


I looked at your avatar on the left and thought "Man, he looks cool, I want to hang out with him sometime!". Then I read your post. I guess I'm just around that age myself. These awesome pictures are reminding me why I want to move to Oregon/California soon, Jeff. haha

Sorry, that was off-topic. The first photo is just about flawless to my (also)amateur eyes. I actually really think the birds add a dimension of nature/harmony to the rocks; as such, I personally enjoy them hanging out around there. But that's just my opinion, and I might be kind of silly.

The second one is also gorgeous and well captured. The polarity between the upper and lower parts of the atmosphere add a nice, clean gradient. To emphasize those beautiful crescent-shaped clouds on the right that I didn't even notice until you mentioned them in your latter post, I dare say you could even crop out a bit of the left to effectively move the big rock guy to the left part of the photo.

The difficult thing about the second one is that if you really want it to be "properly" laid out, you'd have to decide what to chop out. Normally, that's not a problem, but it's really not easy at all in this case.

Well, I'm out. These are breathtaking, though, Jeff. I'd be very proud if I were you.

Peace!

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Sep 03, 2008 at 01:49 PM
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p.1 #17 · First Time Critique Post


DrIce926 wrote:
I looked at your avatar on the left and thought "Man, he looks cool, I want to hang out with him sometime!". Then I read your post. ...


Hey now, I'm still cool! See...



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Sep 05, 2008 at 01:19 AM
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p.1 #18 · First Time Critique Post


Does your mother know that you walk in the steams with your shoes -- Very cool!

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Sep 05, 2008 at 02:54 AM
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p.1 #19 · First Time Critique Post


1 = greatness
2 = cluttered. The slew of rocks in the foreground break up the great design. Also, big lump too centered.

Thanks for sharing. I might call you if I get a beach house someday for a print of #1. Really outstanding.


Sep 06, 2008 at 05:00 AM
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p.1 #20 · First Time Critique Post


AuntiPode wrote:
You've made me curious. How are the prints to be viewed?




Opp I missed this one. Well I guess you could drop by my studio in Birch Bay, WA, USA. Or I could cut you a 17X40 print on my 3800 if you wanna be my 'sugar mama.'

Dark Slider wrote:
1 = greatness
2 = cluttered. The slew of rocks in the foreground break up the great design. Also, big lump too centered.

Thanks for sharing. I might call you if I get a beach house someday for a print of #1. Really outstanding.


Thanks! I'm slowly working on getting my fine art ordering up on my site right now. I appreciate the sentiment!

As for the busyness of #2: Does this one work better? Shot within a few minutes, so the same light, but it's of course vertical, includes the entire reflection and has the 'pete-repeat' little rock at the bottom to help tighten up the composition.







And just for fun, I was walking down the beach the following morning about the same time when I spotted this groove in the sand (probably from a rental bike) and got this wild idea - which I did hand-held (doh, there's my shadow) with my Nikkor 10.5mm (a lens I regretted buying after the 2 week novelty of it wore off, but have since actually had a lot of fun with.



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Sep 06, 2008 at 05:30 PM
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p.1 #21 · First Time Critique Post


I think its neat. Composition is very strong, detail excellent. Its not easy to idenitfy what the shadow is. Looks like a knapsack.
Scott

Sep 06, 2008 at 08:15 PM
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p.1 #22 · First Time Critique Post


sbeme wrote:
I think its neat. Composition is very strong, detail excellent. Its not easy to idenitfy what the shadow is. Looks like a knapsack.
Scott


Thanks Scott. The shadow is actually the camera, which I could pretty easily clone out, but I kinda like it because the sun is behind me and it's such a radical focal length it appears way off the track when in actuality it's practically in the sand. The first few tries my own shadow is in there so I had to stand way off to the side and behind and basically aim by guessing. It took 4 or 5 shots to get it right but this is uncropped. As an aside, it's a Nikon D200 with the MB-200 dual-battery attachment and a Nikon brand hand strap that I absolutely love. I've always hated neck straps because they get in my way and have more than a few times caused me to almost drop a camera or have it snatched from my hand by catching on something, because I never have the camera around my neck. For years I would use this special way of wrapping the strap around my arm because I still felt vulnerable with no strap at all. So when Nikon came out with it for their bigger DSLRs about a year ago, I ordered one; and when it arrived I put it on and immediately ordered a second and haven't looked back.


Sep 06, 2008 at 11:10 PM
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Heh, heh. It seems I expressed my question ambiguously. When you mentioned you print them a standard size, it made me curious whether you print them for a special purpose. (Perhaps for gallery display under artificial light, or to be viewed with natural light, for example for sale at outdoor art shows?) If they are printed for different modes of display, do you adjust how you print them for different viewing conditions? Or do you print them for a specific use?


Sep 07, 2008 at 12:32 AM
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p.1 #24 · First Time Critique Post


As for the variations of the image above, I like both. Clarity, color, detail, light are all excellent. Maybe a slight preference for the vertical crop, but I'd be very pleased with either.

Scott

Sep 07, 2008 at 01:53 AM
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AuntiPode wrote:
Heh, heh. It seems I expressed my question ambiguously. When you mentioned you print them a standard size, it made me curious whether you print them for a special purpose. (Perhaps for gallery display under artificial light, or to be viewed with natural light, for example for sale at outdoor art shows?) If they are printed for different modes of display, do you adjust how you print them for different viewing conditions? Or do you print them for a specific use?



Hi, the long and short of it is 'it depends.' I have a daylight-balanced viewing area I built in the back of my studio, which is fairly small; two rooms about 550 sq ft total so everything serves multiple purposes; I cut mat for example on that same countertop etc. Rather than drive myself too crazy, I usually print to that standard and include an info sheet about it. If it's a big piece, particularly for a regular customer (portraiture or fine art) I usually know something about their environment or I'll go to the trouble of going by their house to see where it will be displayed and then kick it up or down a notch. And of course it depends on the piece itself. My personal preferences are if it's color and really has some colorful aspect I like it nice and bright, but if it's a moody portrait or scene I like it to be on the dark side, especially black and white stuff. Though my brightly colored commercial work doesn't show it, I'm really a Frank Ockenfels kinda guy, if you know what I mean...

Cheers,
J

Sep 09, 2008 at 02:24 AM

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