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Archive 2008 · G10

seanbolton
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p.4 #1 · G10

I want a decent compact camera, just like my old film Ricoh GR1.

Unfortunately no one yet makes a good quality APS-C sensor based compact although Sigma haved tried hard with the DP1 and DP2.

Options for me are ;

Panasonic LX3 - f2.0, 24mm-60mm, HD video, very compact
Ricoh GX200 - f2.8, 24mm-70mm, very compact, good controls and focus modes, DNG raw format

G10 is a bit too big, 28mm is a step in the right direction, zoom range is too great. 24-100 is the perfect zoom range. f2.8 is ok although this is usually only on the wide end, the telephoto aperture is often less (Ricoh is f4.4, LX2 is f2.8)

I guess the best ultimate image quality comes from the G10 but the LX3 or GX200 win in other ways.

Hopefully next year Canon or Nikon will really make a quality rangefinder with specs along the lines of ;

APS-C, 24-80mm, f2.8 throughout the zoom range, HD video 720p, DNG raw, 10 megapixels, good ISO 800/1600 performance, 5+ RAW buffer, 3fps.

regards

Sean

Oct 04, 2008 at 06:27 PM

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p.4 #2 · G10

Are you kidding? With that who would buy the Low EOS range. If that happened the camera market would take a change for the benefit of the consumer but to the demise of the camera manufacturers

Oct 04, 2008 at 09:30 PM

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p.4 #3 · G10

Sadly I have found the only decent quality small digital camera is a small dslr. There is just no comparison to any of the current crop of compacts

David

Oct 05, 2008 at 06:15 PM

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p.4 #4 · G10

I’m still waiting for a P&S with 24 or 28mm WA, 720 or 1080 30p HD video, and Underwater housing. Too bad Canon SX1 IS and Panasonic LX3 don't have waterproof option.

Panasonic LX3:
US$500
24-60mm
RAW
10MP CCD sensor
1280X720 HD video

Canon G10:
US$500
28-140mm
RAW
CMOS sensor
640X480 video
Underwater housing

Canon SX1 IS:
Not for US market
28mm WA
10MP CMOS sensor
1920X1080 HD video

Oct 05, 2008 at 07:27 PM

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p.4 #5 · G10

One thing I like about my DSLRs is the nearly instant response to a shutter press. I couldn't stand my old Powershot hesitation (a Powershot S200 elph :-)

I know these new P&S's being discussed are in another league..What is the delay like on these high end P&S's?

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Oct 05, 2008 at 08:07 PM

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p.4 #6 · G10

brainiac wrote:
Has anyone printed a G6 shot and a G9 shot of the exact same scene in the same light, at iso 800?

I think the reason everyone says iso 800 sucks on the G9 is that they are comparing 100% crops to 100% crops from lower megapixel cameras. That's completely misleading. It is my view that the entire "we want fewer pixels" crowd has made a basic error when examining noise: they are viewing files at different magnifications.

Below is a little reminder that if you bother to uprez crops so that they can be shown at the same magnification, then denser pixels doesn't necessarily mean more noise:

Which image has more intrusive noise?

It isn't pixel density that makes these cameras struggle at high isos, it is the sensor size. I welcome the 28mm, 14.7Mpixel, CR2 producing G10.

Edited due to wrong crop!

Edited by brainiac on Sep 01, 2008 at 11:04 AM GMT

I agree with your argument that ISO noise is no worse then other cameras with the same size sensor (when comparing images that are up-rezzed / down-rezzed to same pixel dimensions).

However, one also needs to consider what positive benefits 14.7MP on a tiny sensor can offer. It is clear that the marketing department have completely taken over the design of this camera with a blatant disregard to the laws of physics. If I was an engineer working on this camera I would quit Canon, the company has lost the plot on compact cameras. This camera is diffraction limited at it's maximum aperture of f2.8 (based on this reference). All you are getting for your 14.7MP is big files.

Vote with your feet and ignore this camera, otherwise the marketing clowns will keep clogging up your hard disk with more useless megapixels.

Oct 05, 2008 at 08:10 PM

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p.4 #7 · G10

Roy Pertchik wrote:
One thing I like about my DSLRs is the nearly instant response to a shutter press. I couldn't stand my old Powershot hesitation (a Powershot S200 elph :-)

I know these new P&S's being discussed are in another league..What is the delay like on these high end P&S's?

There is no delay on my LX3 when you press the shutter release. But, depending on the focusing and image stabilization modes you are using there may or may not be delay while focus locks with the half pressed shutter release. Generally, focus lock is quick.

Oct 06, 2008 at 02:19 AM

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p.4 #8 · G10

Thanks :-)

Oct 06, 2008 at 02:40 AM

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p.4 #9 · G10

It's a pity Canon got rid of the excellent f/2.0-3.0 lens in the G5 and G6. The f/2.8-4.5 in the G10 is pitiful for an ultra high end compact.

Oct 06, 2008 at 03:10 PM

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p.4 #10 · G10

Can't wait to get mine from ritz (they the only one who have in stock).

Oct 06, 2008 at 11:00 PM

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p.4 #11 · G10

Have any of the G series really improved on the IQ provided by the Pro1. I don't think so.

Oct 06, 2008 at 11:29 PM

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p.4 #12 · G10

kapytalyst wrote:
Have any of the G series really improved on the IQ provided by the Pro1. I don't think so.

Um, yes...especially in noise handling.

Here are 100% crops out of camera (files from Imaging-resource.com) @ ISO 400. G9 on top, Pro 1 on bottom. The Pro-1 is even a bit over exposed which should lead to even LESS noise than if it were exposed the same as the G9 image, and yet the G9 image has significantly less noise.

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Now, here's the same ISO, but with the G9 resized to the same resolution as the Pro-1:

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And finally, here's the G9 at ISO 800, and the Pro-1 at 400. Now, the G9 is about equal in noise here, though in my opinion, the G9 file will print a lot better than the Pro 1 file here, as the noise is more grain like than the artifcat laden noise of the Pro 1.

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Oct 07, 2008 at 12:24 AM

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p.4 #13 · G10

It might have made strides compared to the Pro-1, but if you really are concerned about image quality, you should look into the Fuji line of P&S. I have the F30 and am amazed with it's image quality at higher ISO. I can shoot at 800 ISO all day without any concerns, and can even boost up to 1600 in a pinch. Makes the Canon lineup really look awful if you compare side by side at higher ISO.

Oct 07, 2008 at 12:54 AM

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p.4 #14 · G10

I owned the F31fd...and compared to the G9 it stinks for hand holding. Yes, ISO for ISO, the F31 had lower noise, but the faster lens and IS in the G9 means that I am usually shooting at ISO 400 on the G9 in situations I'd need at least 1600 on the F31fd. Plus I like the noise profile on the G9 better.

Oct 07, 2008 at 01:01 AM

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p.4 #15 · G10

Jman13 wrote:
I owned the F31fd...and compared to the G9 it stinks for hand holding. Yes, ISO for ISO, the F31 had lower noise, but the faster lens and IS in the G9 means that I am usually shooting at ISO 400 on the G9 in situations I'd need at least 1600 on the F31fd. Plus I like the noise profile on the G9 better.

To me a P&S is something I can throw into my jacket pocket and not even know it is there. The F31 fits this to a tee. The G9 is much to big and if I have to carry something the size of a G9, I might as well get a small Olympus DSLR with a pancake lens.

Oct 07, 2008 at 01:34 AM

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p.4 #16 · G10

mmmm Pancakes

Oct 07, 2008 at 03:27 PM

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p.4 #17 · G10

How do they compare at ISO 50?

Oct 07, 2008 at 03:37 PM

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p.4 #18 · G10

A.Y. wrote:

Canon G10:
US$500
28-140mm
RAW
CMOS sensor
640X480 video
Underwater housing

Corrections. The G10 is still having a CCD sensor. Only the new SX1 has a CMOS sensor, but lo-res LCD and no RAW!

Cheers!

Oct 08, 2008 at 09:27 AM

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p.4 #19 · G10

Here is a G10 vs LX3 comparison that has a comprehensive set of full size images covering virtually every aspect of both camera's performance. Highly recommended.

CLICK HERE

Oct 13, 2008 at 06:29 PM

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p.4 #20 · G10

If anyone is interested, a quick and dirty Noise comparison tests I did between the G9 and G10 ...

http://web.me.com/waynefox/G9_10/G9_vs_G10_Noise.html

Oct 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM


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