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Like it better for what though? Serious question, not trying to be negative, what would 50D buyers like better that they would take a lower speced camera for the same price? I'm interested. If the answer is the glass then doesn't that just mean that Canon have used their popularity in glass to provide less camera features at a given price point? Again this is with reference to the 50D and D300 being the SAME price in the UK (50D more expensive at release). If I'm a guy in a shop wanting to buy either the 50D or D300 and both are the same price, why would you advise me to take a 50D eventhough it isn't the pro body the D300 is?

Edited by Beni on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:11 AM GMT



Great points! But the typical person that walks into a store is already decided anyway. If the buyer is shopping for a system, you are totally correct, but most people's first camera is not a 50D or a D300, and by the time they buy one, they are already invested and somewhat brand brainwashed. Canon's marketing research must have shown that the Brits are must less likely to switch systems, hence the higher price.

I use Canon at home, and Nikon stuff when I second shoot on weekends. Personally, I like everything about Nikon better, except for the file produced. Whether it is glass, or the sensor, or the in-camera processing, I couldn't tell you. And to me the output is what is important. And my 40D files look better than the files I get from a D300 to my eye. That is what I would tell the guy in the store. Look past the marketing and features that you will not use, and look at the results.

All that aside, I really hate it when companies do the marketing magic pricing. And to be completely honest, if I lived in the UK, I would probably buy a Nikon just to spite Canon, because the gap between 30D/D200 has shrunk to the small gap between the 40D/D300, and it is only a matter of time before a complete parity arises. To me, Canon seems to be much more heavy handed than most companies in the marketing dept., and I don't like that very much. (completely unsubstantiated personal opinion there, not meant to stir up the pot in any way).

So I guess I agree with you mostly, and disagree only because of my experience with both systems, and while the D300 has more value for the price, the output, in my opinion, isn't as good as the 40D (I don't know about the 50D yet).



There is an interesting post on LL by a independant camera repair guy who says that in the UK Nikon have stopped supplying parts to independants and in his opinion Canon will follow suit soon. The idea being that you can't get a repair done except by the manufacturer with high prices and stupidly long turn around times. The UK, land of those willing to jump down infront of the steam roller rather than complain. Over your beer in the pub or on Talkradio doesn't count!

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Aug 26, 2008 at 11:46 AM
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MSC wrote:
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4. Get a new computer with a large RAID array since my storage needs will have gone up dramatically & I need the horsepower to process said large images.


I can highly recommend this:
http://www.enhance-tech.com/products/desktop/t8_ip.html



Wow, what does that baby cost...they seem to left the price off that page...I know, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

Edited by MSC on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:26 PM GMT



I have a Buffalo Terrastation Pro-II in my office for all my photos...running RAID-10 with 1TB of usable space...dont need more than that right now...if i do i will copy all the data off and make it raid-1 and get 2TB out of it.


Aug 26, 2008 at 11:53 AM
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Seems to be a field test by a Swedish 'tog here.

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***Edit***
It beats the 1DMKIII for AF apparently. Then again I'm sure some will say that can't be too hard to do

Edited by Ronan O Keeffe on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM GMT

Edited by Ronan O Keeffe on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:10 PM GMT

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 12:10 PM


Aug 26, 2008 at 12:01 PM
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Seems to be a field test by a Swsedish 'tog here.

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That's the same as reported earlier in this thread.... Brutus Östling is currently one of the best bird photographers IMO...
Check some of his pics
http://www.brutusostling.se/english/main.html

If he says the 50D is good, good it is!




Aug 26, 2008 at 12:05 PM
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He is very talented for sure

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM
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What are the predictions about 60D?


I'm guessing it'll be out before the mythical 5DII...



Aug 26, 2008 at 12:40 PM
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Wow...that review is pretty glowing. Fastest AF in the world? High praise.

Also, did you see the 100% crop of the eagle? This is going to be one heck of a camera. Too bad I won't be upgrading (just don't have the $$ for that now). It's OK...my 30D still does what I need it to!

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:52 PM
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WebDog wrote:
Ronan O Keeffe wrote:
Seems to be a field test by a Swsedish 'tog here.

Google Translated version

Original Swedish version


That's the same as reported earlier in this thread.... Brutus Östling is currently one of the best bird photographers IMO...
Check some of his pics
http://www.brutusostling.se/english/main.html

If he says the 50D is good, good it is!





Very promising.

However, I was hopping for some full resolution pics available for download...

Aug 26, 2008 at 12:55 PM
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I think the point is that Nikon has pro AF in it's D300, which is ~$1600 at B&H now, while Canon cannot, or will not, trickle that down to it's consumer line as Nikon has.


To be honest, Canon's current problem is that pro AF hasn't trickled down to its pro (1-series) bodies either. And I say that as an owner of a 1Ds3 and ex-owner of a 1D3.

The thing that excites me a lot about the 50D is face detection. I sincerely hope face detection is available in the 5D and mk3 replacements. I shoot people a lot, and existing AF systems are next to useless with faces and wide apertures, even Nikon's. The focus point is never in the right place, so moving it slows me down, and the very limited positions of AF points mean that I am invariably forced to compose badly. I constantly resort to manual focus, but the AF/MF switches are fiddly and very hard to use while looking through the camera. Setting AF to only be activated by the AF-ON button is a real pain as there are too many things to press, hold, and think about before taking a picture. I really hope that the horse-power of a DSLR can afford very quick and accurate face detection focussing, with focus latching on to the nearest eye, and a multi-face mode which picks the 'hyperfocal face' from a group. All that is already available in compacts. I can honestly say that I prefer AF on my Fuji F31d than on my 1Ds3, purely because of face-detection.

Edited by brainiac on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:09 PM GMT

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Aug 26, 2008 at 01:02 PM
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BrianO wrote:
Alek Komarnits wrote:...I just did a side-by-side of the Canon 50D versus 40D.
Time for an edit.

According to that page (as of 02:47Pacific on Tuesday, 8-26-08), the 40D hasn't been introduced yet, and will cost $100 more than the 50D.


Ooops - just had the two columns transposed - thanks!


Aug 26, 2008 at 01:04 PM
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well, I don't feel too bad. I just got the 40D, so I knew that alone would cause the 50D to come out immediately! I got the 40D for $869 less than a month ago. I suppose the 50D feature set is worth $400 more, but I'll get by with the 40D for a while. $400 will buy a nice pocket cam to go with it.

Couple years, they'll have developed the nano-optical nerve implant capture device with continuous recording of everything I see at 500mp, ISO up to night vision goggles. I'll get one of those.

Aug 26, 2008 at 01:31 PM
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>>>> If I'm a guy in a shop wanting to buy either the 50D or D300 and both are the same price, why would you advise me to take a 50D eventhough it isn't the pro body the D300 is?

>>>I use Canon at home, and Nikon stuff when I second shoot on weekends. Personally, I like everything about Nikon better, except for the file produced. Whether it is glass, or the sensor, or the in-camera processing, I couldn't tell you. And to me the output is what is important. And my 40D files look better than the files I get from a D300 to my eye. That is what I would tell the guy in the store. Look past the marketing and features that you will not use, and look at the results.

>>The IQ is outstanding.

>Are we basing that on the 3 or 4 sample images that Canon posted? Or has someone done a test with a production model?


It seems to me that the 450D competes pretty well with the D300 on IQ alone, at half the price. We can expect the 50D to be a grip and a half better than the 450D, and yes, the iso 1600 50D sample does look very good indeed.

IMO Nikon's current 'lead' is based around mere adequacy in the sensor coupled with good in-camera noise-reduction and image processing. Canon has been a bit behind at that game, partly because its sensors have been better, so sleights of hand in image processing haven't been necessary. As predicted, Canon is responding to Nikon's surge by playing it at its own game: noise reduction. So now we have a cheapish Canon camera with built-in iso 12800. Here's my prediction again: now that Canon is trying to match Nikon's in-camera noise trickery and image processing we are once more going to appreciate Canon's lead in sensors. Personally, I have never been convinced that Canon had lost its lead in sensors/IQ. My 1Ds3 seems to be more than a match for a D3 at iso 3200 to 12800, if it's allowed the same kind of noise reduction in post that the D3/700 does in-camera, and it certainly can capture a lot more detail. In fact, for detail capture, the D3/700 seem to be somewhere behind the ancient 5D, in all the comparisons I have seen.

So that would be my advice to the guy in the shop: if you are serious about photography, and in particular, image quality, to the extent that you are prepared to work hard at your photography, then the 50D will be capable of higher quality images, probably by a significant margin.

I switched from Nikon to Canon because Nikon simply didn't offer image quality to match that of the 5D, and IMO it still doesn't at lower isos. The 50D looks like it will match a 5D, and for that reason I would choose to use one over a D3/700 because I expect its all-round image quality (i.e. including detail) to be better.

Aug 26, 2008 at 02:20 PM
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dHitman wrote:
Marcus Watts wrote:
Is there a price somewhere.


The EOS 50D is to ship in early October 2008 at an expected street price of US$1399 in the U.S. - taken from Rob Galbraith's site.


The body is US $1299 list according to DPR...

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos50d/page2.asp

Perhaps DPR is in error since the EU price is the same, and as much as I hate to admit it, the U.S. dollar is in the toilet right now.


Edited by jray on Aug 26, 2008 at 06:33 AM GMT

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Just sold my 40D. Whew, before the prices go through the floor. Was going to buy a D300.....but maybe now I will wait and see. Looks interesting to me.

Aug 26, 2008 at 02:32 PM
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Not impressed at all... In fact rather disappointed !

I need a real weatherproof body, as I'm shooting a lot of swimming in very humid atmosphere and water splashing all around. Pentax, Sony, Nikon can do it.

I want a more reliable AF. last weekend I shot my 40D under bright sun, focus was perfect. In poorly lit indoor swimming pool, when it's dark winter outside, I don't have the same ratio of keepers !

I want, and somewhat need, clean high ISO. That has to be seen, but 15 mpixels on APS-C sensor.... I doubt.

Don't tell me all that exists already in the 1D MkIII ! Because all that is in the D300 for a much better price tag.... and without all the color dots.....

More pixels than before for less money.... Purely marketing driven "innovation" !!!

I've not read on FM a lot of posts complaining about the pixel count of 40D/5D.
But a lot on AF, exposure, built quality, noise, color accuracy......

Canon is no longer leader of the pack.....



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Aug 26, 2008 at 02:45 PM
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Desmo ....go get your Nikon.

Aug 26, 2008 at 02:48 PM
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Desmo ....go get your Nikon.


I will... as soon as I have sold all these front or back focusing L lenses I have....


Aug 26, 2008 at 02:49 PM
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Awesome! Makes me that much more excited to see the next fullframe. I am glad the updated they screen and resolution of the sensor, that is pretty awesome! What a great looking camera! Now hopefully they'll have 16 bit sensors soon!

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I can't wait for it to come out!! Looks like I may finally be able to upgrade to the 40D.

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:04 PM
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The proof will be in the pudding - I will hold judgement until I see a sample shot at ISO 12800!!! or even 6400.

Ro1

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:07 PM
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Based on the specs, I'm impressed. I was skeptical when the leak first hit, was pretty convinced it was a hoax due to the huge MP jump from the 40D. Am happy to see it addressed many of the things people were asking for. Hopefully the direct print button can be programmed to do more than print or live view.

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:28 PM
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It will be interesting to see if the new processing engine materially improves AF performance. Bottom line, though, is that if the 50D sensor produces images at 3200 and above that are equal to my 30D at 1600, then I'm first in line.

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:36 PM
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The specs are ok... its unfortunate that the body is not distinguished very much from the 40D. It makes it seem like a refresh sorta like a 2008.5 car gets a refresh half way thru its life.

I'm very curious to see the iso performance, without any actual shots and tests done on the various new ISO speeds, you can't judge this camera as a hit or a miss. If you are, then its just an uneducated and irresponsible opinion and certainly not good dialogue.

I will reserve judgement for the actual performance of this camera, which is what should really matter anyway. I am somewhat disappointed in the 9 pt auto focus, I wish it was more but it is what it is, and again AF tests will need to be done to see if Digic 4 does in fact improve its responsiveness.

I still look forward to hearing the specs of the 5d replacement(s) and make an educated decision as to what is an appropriate purchase at that time.

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:42 PM
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Desmo wrote:
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Desmo ....go get your Nikon.


I will... as soon as I have sold all these front or back focusing L lenses I have....



To have bought eight of them has to say something about the one buying them.

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:42 PM
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the 50D will be quite a value purchase when the initial pricing drops from €1300 to around €999 euros in 6 or 7 months.

...just as the 40D became an excellent value when it dropped from €1350 to €770 in less than one year's time.

long live fashion consumerism! (and competition)

Aug 26, 2008 at 03:47 PM




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