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p.2 #1 · Taser?

snegron wrote:
Why not just get a concealed carry permit and keep a small .357 in your pocket? It is much more effective than a tasar.

Awesome.

Aug 25, 2008 at 08:21 PM

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p.2 #2 · Taser?

snegron....

tell me .... nut uhh.... you didn't do it did you? you brought The Norris into this...

and to speak of such nonsense!

Chuck Norris could still whoop up on someone with a gun and if he got shot it'd just kill the bullett and probably not even break skin ! Do you know the Norris ?

seriously....

- travis

Aug 25, 2008 at 08:29 PM

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p.2 #3 · Taser?

I live in the same area code as Oakland, CA (unfortunately). And near my studio there is a strong-arm robbery fest of storefront businesses currently going on.

I've just re-registered my equipment insurance with Hill & Usher. This is the only worthy protection. I believe in responsible gun ownership but that has no effect if you're not around.

-m

Edited by mauriceramirez on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:27 AM GMT

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:27 AM

Aug 25, 2008 at 08:39 PM

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p.2 #4 · Taser?

mauriceramirez wrote:
That said, I've just re-registered my insurance with Hill & Usher. This is the only worthy protection. I believe in responsible gun ownership but that has no effect if you're not around.

-m

Maurice the eminently reasonable.

Aug 25, 2008 at 08:43 PM

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p.2 #5 · Taser?

I would assume that if the OP is thinking about a taser, perhaps some personal protection/martial arts training along with the pepper spray would be most appropriate. I would hate for her to hesitate while holding that can or missing a fast moving perp.

Also, it shouldnt be about the gear. Get insurance. Drop the gear and run. Your life is worth more than that 40D.... after all, it's just been replaced.

Aug 25, 2008 at 08:51 PM

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p.2 #6 · Taser?

Chain gun. I don't even take camera gear, I just go ready to defend myself. Always love doing a 'shoot'.

Edited on Aug 25, 2008 at 09:18 PM

Aug 25, 2008 at 09:17 PM

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p.2 #7 · Taser?

snegron wrote:
If that person has a weapon, even Chuck Norris can't get out of it without getting shot!

please dear sir, that is inane and uncalled for. Blasphemer. spread your filth elsewhere. we know chuck norris has been shot 534,343,643 times. its impossible for him to have an MRI.

I actually am trained in disarming armed opponents, but really- if someone is going to shoot you and take your items then they are going to do so. and no gun/dog/redwhiteandred/taser will stop them. this situation is 90% planning and preparation. make yourself look less like pray.
-hold you cell phone to your ear even if your not on it
-hold your keys in a defensive and aggressive manner
-walk purposefully and direct
-dont look around alot
-avoid opportunistic areas
-- i could go on, if you want pm me and i can give you loads of easy tips to make yourself a hard target. i may even tell you about the wushi finger hold.
or the patented K. Anderson throat chop.

Aug 26, 2008 at 04:25 AM

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p.2 #8 · Taser?

My "I shoot people" button has taken on a whole new meaning now!

Aug 26, 2008 at 05:23 AM

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p.2 #9 · Taser?

Umm... Cell phone with quick dial 911 programmed into it

You can open your phone up while it is in your coat pocket and dial 911 (secretly) faster than do anything else... If I lived or worked in an area that was really bad on crime, I would carry around my old backup (CCD seems to be going out of it) with a cheap/broken lens on it. Throw that at them, and run

If you have to carry a weapon... I kinda like the looks of the battery operated cattle prods that you can get at feed/western stores

You also wouldn't have to be as close to the person (as you would with a regular taser) - and I have a feeling that they might be pretty powerful (but I don't know for sure - I'd have to research that). I would think lethal weapons like guns are a bigger risk (hurting yourself and/OR hurting someone else) than there is of you getting robbed for your camera equipment. I live in a very small town, and I know of 3 different "acccidental" fatal shootings that occurred when I was growing up. One was a father accidentally shot his son. His son forgot his keys, and after a night of drinking, attempted to 'break' into their house. Father thought the son was a burgler and shot him - killed him. Super tragic stuff. I don't mess with lethal weapons.

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:47 AM

Aug 26, 2008 at 05:43 AM

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p.2 #10 · Taser?

o.k. I know that I may get shot down for this but...

THIS THREAD IS IDIOTIC!

It's just equipment. Your life is way more important.

I'm not sure what the exact numbers are, but I do remember hearing somewhere that even if you are the one with the weapon, merely taking it out during a fight will drastically increase the risk of you getting harmed (I could be wrong, but it makes sense in my head)

I mean really.

Scenario #1: Some guy runs up and grabs your bag, you see him do it, and pull a gun on him and he keeps running. Are you going to shoot him? I think not...

Scenario #2: Same as one, only this time when you pull the gun (without intention of shooting) the assailant feels threatened and pulls out a gun of his own, and you better believe he's more willing to shoot than you are.

If someone steals your equipment, it sucks, especially for the bride and groom, but man, it's not worth risking your life.

Aug 26, 2008 at 05:50 AM

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p.2 #11 · Taser?

studiobis wrote:
wow...

i have no idea where you guys are living, but i would rather quit my job than carry a *supposedly not* lethal weapon...

+1

If my checklist for wedding gear included weaponry, I'd consider relocating....

Aug 26, 2008 at 09:55 AM

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p.2 #12 · Taser?

My assistants are hired more for their menacing physical presence & martial arts knowledge than their ability to put a strobe on a light stand. So hire big ex convict assistants with lots of badass tats. That alone keeps 80% of the thieving riffraff away.

Plus I got in the habit of carrying a sawed off 410 in my bag during my landscape shooting days .. moose & bears can become pretty aggressive during mating season and often you may see small packs of dogs in some of the northern communities. Knives are used on persistent smaller threats like wolves, etc. The 410 stays with me but I no longer keep it loaded .. but I will take it out to bring some bridal parties under control, particularly if they have difficulty smiling on the count of 3.

But forget all this girlie 911 cell phone, pepper spray, & taser nonsense .. you'll just piss the perps off.

Aug 26, 2008 at 10:21 AM

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Wow, I can see the headlines:"Thief shot dead by wedding photographer". That'll get you lots of bookings of people wanting their weddigns turned to a funeral...

I certainly wouldn't want anyone carrying one around me.

Aug 26, 2008 at 10:44 AM

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panos.v wrote:
Wow, I can see the headlines:"Thief shot dead by wedding photographer". That'll get you lots of bookings of people wanting their weddigns turned to a funeral...

For sure .. a marketing nightmare. Which is why we carry those memory-erasing gizmos used by the Men-in-Black. No witnesses.

Aug 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM

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p.2 #15 · Taser?

Oh man I just invented the pepper spray monopod. If you have problems just point the monopod at said assailant and pull the trigger. It also works at weddings for that annoying uncle or little tird that insists upon touching your lens with his candy coated fingers. Still working out the kinks on the safety button after inadvertantly peppering a couple during and engagement shoot. -grin-

Aug 26, 2008 at 07:55 PM

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p.2 #16 · Taser?

The best defense is deception, baring that, run away. Carry a decoy wallet or some other item like a small handbag or decoy purse. If someone tries to rob you, throw it away and make them run after it, while you run the other way to escape.

When you have your gear out, stay with the group and don't wander alone by yourself. If you have to, get a few people to walk with you.

Aug 26, 2008 at 08:44 PM

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Access wrote:
When you have your gear out, stay with the group and don't wander alone by yourself. If you have to, get a few people to walk with you.

I don't do group holidays...

Aug 26, 2008 at 08:50 PM

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p.2 #18 · Taser?

snegron wrote:
As far as self defense goes, I have trained in martial arts and the way I see it, it will only be benificial if someone is fighting with you. If that person has a weapon, even Chuck Norris can't get out of it without getting shot!

Bullets do not bounce off of Chuck Norris. They run and hide in fear of him.

Edited on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:22 PM

Aug 26, 2008 at 09:22 PM

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p.2 #19 · Taser?

Mike Mahoney wrote:For sure .. a marketing nightmare. Which is why we carry those memory-erasing gizmos used by the Men-in-Black. No witnesses.

Mind Eraser. Isn't that a really tasty liquor shot?

Aug 26, 2008 at 09:26 PM

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kesava wrote:
snegron wrote:
If that person has a weapon, even Chuck Norris can't get out of it without getting shot!

please dear sir, that is inane and uncalled for. Blasphemer. spread your filth elsewhere. we know chuck norris has been shot 534,343,643 times. its impossible for him to have an MRI.

I actually am trained in disarming armed opponents, but really- if someone is going to shoot you and take your items then they are going to do so. and no gun/dog/redwhiteandred/taser will stop them. this situation is 90% planning and preparation. make yourself look less like pray.
-hold you cell phone to your ear even if your not on it
-hold your keys in a defensive and aggressive manner
-walk purposefully and direct
-dont look around alot
-avoid opportunistic areas
-- i could go on, if you want pm me and i can give you loads of easy tips to make yourself a hard target. i may even tell you about the wushi finger hold.
or the patented K. Anderson throat chop.

The exact number is 534,343,641 times; there is no documented evidence to substantiate the other two times!

Aug 27, 2008 at 01:32 AM

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weeums wrote:
snegron....

tell me .... nut uhh.... you didn't do it did you? you brought The Norris into this...

and to speak of such nonsense!

Chuck Norris could still whoop up on someone with a gun and if he got shot it'd just kill the bullett and probably not even break skin ! Do you know the Norris ?

seriously....

- travis

I must expose his fakery! Everyone knows that the only true bulletproof Sensei is Jacki Chan!

Aug 27, 2008 at 01:37 AM

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p.2 #22 · Taser?

Just get a credit card.

Aug 27, 2008 at 08:58 AM

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p.2 #23 · Taser?

studiobis wrote:
wow...

i have no idea where you guys are living, but i would rather quit my job than carry a *supposedly not* lethal weapon...

Lord Fluff wrote:
+1
If my checklist for wedding gear included weaponry, I'd consider relocating....

Someone should inform Heckler & Koch, this is a whole new market for them.

To paraphrase the H&K MP5 K blurb "...The MP5K is a compact submachine gun designed for vehicle operators, air crew members, security details, wedding photographers and others who require a small, but powerful weapon."

Sorry but if anyone tries to steal my gear while I am walking to my car, pulls a knife or a gun, they can have the gear!

Aug 27, 2008 at 10:54 AM

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p.2 #24 · Taser?

jprezant wrote:
o.k. I know that I may get shot down for this but...

THIS THREAD IS IDIOTIC!

It's just equipment. Your life is way more important.

I'm not sure what the exact numbers are, but I do remember hearing somewhere that even if you are the one with the weapon, merely taking it out during a fight will drastically increase the risk of you getting harmed (I could be wrong, but it makes sense in my head)

I mean really.

Scenario #1: Some guy runs up and grabs your bag, you see him do it, and pull a gun on him and he keeps running. Are you going to shoot him? I think not...

Scenario #2: Same as one, only this time when you pull the gun (without intention of shooting) the assailant feels threatened and pulls out a gun of his own, and you better believe he's more willing to shoot than you are.

If someone steals your equipment, it sucks, especially for the bride and groom, but man, it's not worth risking your life.

i think the tangents have taken a life of their own. please realize that the number of violent thefts are up.. way up. and so are violent crimes with gang and drug associations. burglary and and thefts are down. Home invasions are up too. what the OP is saying that is, they arent necessarily going to fight to the death over a 40D, but the likely hood that they the theft turns violent is real. then what do you do? lay there and get beaten to death? no. run so the assailant can shoot you in the back rather than leave a witness? there is no right answer to this situation. but i say get trained, get confident, avoid being a target.

Aug 28, 2008 at 04:16 AM

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p.2 #25 · Taser?

If you're doing weddings in areas of drug / gang violence.....again I'd be thinking of relocating.

Aug 28, 2008 at 08:02 AM


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