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Archive 2008 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

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p.3 #1 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Geoff Costello wrote:
Hi :-)

Oh, and Nikon has a massive computer imaging design based lens program, with the new 12-24 F2.8 and 24-70 F2.8 being good examples. It is part of its program of targeting the professional market with a series of market leading lenses covering all the main focus ranges (sadly not too many primes planned yet). There are a slew of new Nikon lenses coming over the next couple of year…. So… Canon (a little slower than with this year’s bodies) is starting to focus on lens replacements and upgrades. Moving away from its previous more hand crafted design to the sophisticated computer controlled light modelling design techniques. Expect 2009 and 2010 to be very interesting lens wise… (A number of the lenses are being redone to get higher resolutions so as to not be embarrassed when FF sensors reach 50mp)

hmm but didn't canon long ago switch to a much more computer design based method?
they have calculated MTF charts tracing optics for years too.

Aug 23, 2008 at 01:41 AM

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p.3 #2 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Canon is "waking up", eh? Don't tell the shareholders it was asleep. They probably assumed it was busy making money.

Aug 23, 2008 at 01:42 AM

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p.3 #3 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

The irony in these threads is the debate about Canon's need to introduce new high end cameras matched with an inability to afford what's currently available today.

Aug 23, 2008 at 03:06 AM

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p.3 #4 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

What is interesting here is most posters wouldn`t know what is true if it was stamped on thier forehead. I guess I can`t even say you will find out in time because most can`t even get the facts strait on models that already exist. I would suggest to stop with all the negativity and think....if it doesn`t hurt to much. Do you really think Canon will let everyone pass them by

I think we are coming into some great times for all photographers......and if for some reason we are not....what I have now makes beautifull images and I am qiute happy with it..

Aug 23, 2008 at 03:42 AM

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p.3 #5 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

But...
Do those future models still have the direct print button?

Aug 23, 2008 at 06:28 AM

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p.3 #6 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

rsg_1 wrote:
For the 5D in AI servo mode, there are 15 AF points and they do work well;

True, used for tracking but for single shot there's only the 9 and that's the rub.

I went to see a D700 today, and although I don't like the buttons, if its AF is significantly superior to the 5DMkII, I'll be switching over. It also balances quite nicely and is "Made in Japan" and not Thailand.

Can't wait a week to see what Canon is coming out with? What if it's all that you wanted? I think a week or two is all the waiting that will likely be required.

Aug 23, 2008 at 06:31 AM

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p.3 #7 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

+10 for having more autofocus points. I was waiting like crazy for the 50d to come out in the hope that Canon would give it more AF points but I was wrong (once again!) tsk tsk.

However, I am also beginning to believe people like me are in a minority because most people are so happy with the 9 point layout that they are already singing praises of the 50d. I agree that d300 is a price apart but what options do we have in 1.6x cameras with similar AF? None...not the GREAT 5d that people litterally salivate over comes close.

Aug 23, 2008 at 06:55 AM

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p.3 #8 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Everyone has different needs and that's the rub for Canon users. With Nikon currently having the edge in weather sealing, autofocus, lcd, and arguably it's matrix metering, Canon's next offering really needs to step up to the plate. I shoot professionally but in my small market I can't make new MKIII's pay for themselves. I'll almost undoubtedly get at least one new 5D when it comes out. I'm expecting better high ISO performance and a better LCD. I'd really like more AF points. I currently have to use my MKII for sports simply because keeping an object in the right compositional placement while in AI Servo with 9 points doesn't work well. Nor does my 40D track as well, nor can I set the tracking sensitivity and that's critical at times. My MKII was amazing when it came out and nothing has changed about that. While I do think Nikon has a better line up today, I'm glad about that because it will ensure a better response by Canon. I can't afford to switch. The cost would be huge ( I looked at it closely). And if I did, in three years Canon my have a new breakthrough body. I don't post a lot. I prefer shooting and developing in Photoshop to posting

, but it's all quite interesting and entertaining to see a dozen different versions of the TRUTH about what's coming and when it's coming. Jan 2007 at the latest if I recall some post! All I know is my rarely used 20D backup will be sold, and at least one 5D will be bought. Maybe two if there are more than 9 AF points, which I doubt. Time will tell.

Aug 23, 2008 at 04:12 PM

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p.3 #9 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

OP, what is your source? Or is it all just wishful thinking?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Aug 23, 2008 at 05:55 PM

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p.3 #10 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Geoff Costello wrote:

"...Canon is waking up. They are aware of what Sony and Nikon are going to release (have been for some while) and are on an active fightback program...

...Have a great and wonderful day ;-)"

HEY! Someone took a big dump right here in the Canon Forum, and everybody here continues stepping right in it!

Be advised, step around the large, steaming pile of you-know-what. Move along, move along...

Aug 23, 2008 at 08:00 PM

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Yakim Peled wrote:
OP, what is your source? Or is it all just wishful thinking?

Wishfull thinking, of course.
Keep the faith, Geoff! Canon's daddy is bigger and stronger than everybody else's

Aug 23, 2008 at 10:21 PM

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p.3 #12 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

gml1 wrote:
Keep the faith, Geoff! Canon's daddy is bigger and stronger than everybody else's

I'm not minimizing the impact Nikon has had. I think it is great for competition. But I haven't seen in any of these Olympic Nikon/Canon threads any mention of the NBC sponsorship listing at the end of the broadcast the acknowledgement for the Canon HD lenses.

But gml1 got me to dig it up. So here you go: HDTV EFP Lens HJ 17ex7.7B Series and for in-studio HDTV Studio Lens DIGI SUPER 27 AF. Even a nice peice on the circle of confusion in the second one.

So someday I think we will see all this top end optical work make it's way down the food chain. How does it explain the MKIII fiasco? Well it doesn't.

Edited on Aug 24, 2008 at 02:47 AM

Aug 24, 2008 at 02:44 AM

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The biggest issue that i have with the 40D is that at 100% there's no sharpness. Even at 100 iso. It could be tha Aliasing filter or it could ne the on chip NR (the D700 and D3 seem to suffer simularly). My 5D images are way sharper. My worry with 15mp on a 1.6 cropped sensor, isn't iso noise. I belive that Canon have always increased the noise level in pace with their increase in MP, so the noise with a 20D is the same as a 40D, but one gains in MP. But my concearn is the clarity and sharpness of it's pixels at 15mp. I've looked at those examples and sure, they might be fakes. But there's not a sharp image there. The last Subaru image is a 1600 iso pic taken with a 600mm f4 and it's soft as liberal social worker.

Aug 24, 2008 at 01:30 PM

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p.3 #14 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Huh? Do you have any examples? I shoot 5D's but the files from a 40D that my 2nd shooter was using last wedding were just as sharp. Not as good tonality or resolution but the sharpness was there. Seriously, make a RAW file available sounds weird.

Edited by Beni on Aug 24, 2008 at 01:59 PM GMT

Edited on Aug 24, 2008 at 01:59 PM

Aug 24, 2008 at 01:36 PM

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p.3 #15 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

gazzajagman wrote:
The biggest issue that i have with the 40D is that at 100% there's no sharpness. Even at 100 iso.

MMV.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Aug 24, 2008 at 01:46 PM

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p.3 #16 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Yakim Peled wrote:
gazzajagman wrote:
The biggest issue that i have with the 40D is that at 100% there's no sharpness. Even at 100 iso.

MMV.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

ouch.

Aug 24, 2008 at 02:06 PM

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05xrunner wrote:
its the same 9 point af thats been around since the 20D...its time to revise it and add more points to make it more comparable to the competition. Like 25points would be great. Just cause they are cross now...still doesnt fill those huge voids between them

I saw something in one of the many 50D threads that said the 50D (if it exists) would have 9 AF points, all of the crosshair type. My 20D only has the center as a crosshair type.

In the 4 years I've owned it I've never felt the need to use anything other than the center AF point when I use AF. But that's probably just my 35+ years experience with center split screen/microprism focusing aids showing.

Edited on Aug 24, 2008 at 02:24 PM

Aug 24, 2008 at 02:23 PM

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Beni wrote:
Huh? Do you have any examples? I shoot 5D's but the files from a 40D that my 2nd shooter was using last wedding were just as sharp. Not as good tonality or resolution but the sharpness was there. Seriously, make a RAW file available sounds weird.

Edited by Beni on Aug 24, 2008 at 01:59 PM GMT

Try comparing at 100 iso. The 5D images get softer as the iso increases. At 100 iso it's RAW files are stunning. The 40D seems soft in comparision. They sharpen well, but they also don't seem to carry the same level of detail. At 400 iso, I find the 40D really soft.

Aug 24, 2008 at 03:34 PM

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RJJR wrote:
05xrunner wrote:
its the same 9 point af thats been around since the 20D...its time to revise it and add more points to make it more comparable to the competition. Like 25points would be great. Just cause they are cross now...still doesnt fill those huge voids between them

I saw something in one of the many 50D threads that said the 50D (if it exists) would have 9 AF points, all of the crosshair type. My 20D only has the center as a crosshair type.

In the 4 years I've owned it I've never felt the need to use anything other than the center AF point when I use AF. But that's probably just my 35+ years experience with center split screen/microprism focusing aids showing.

+ me, too (only 31 years). And the fact that in 99,9% there is no focus point where I want to have the focus. Before I switch I am much faster and more secure, to move the center point, focus and rearange. If the semipro viefinders would give a chance, I still would focus manually 95% of shootings.

Ralph

Edited on Aug 24, 2008 at 03:50 PM

Aug 24, 2008 at 03:49 PM

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Aug 24, 2008 at 05:49 PM

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p.3 #21 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

Thanks for the daily dose of Kool Aid, I can't believe people write this crap.

Aug 24, 2008 at 11:06 PM

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p.3 #22 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

To infinity & beyond..

Oh sorry, that is form Toy Story, or was it toy camera story.

Dan

Aug 24, 2008 at 11:42 PM

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p.3 #23 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

I don't really care if it's 9 points or 11 points or 45 points as long as the darn thing tracks as well as what I've heard the D300 does. If it's not an improved AF system I'll have a hard time upgrading. Better high ISO, microadjust and a higher res LCD isn't enough in my opinion.

Aug 24, 2008 at 11:51 PM

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p.3 #24 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

05xrunner wrote:
Thats already in the 40D..the center is cross and diagonal with 2.8 and faster and all 9 points are cross type at 5.6

I suppose it doesn't really matter to me since I only use the center AF point if I use AF at all.

Edited on Aug 25, 2008 at 12:07 AM

Aug 25, 2008 at 12:06 AM

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p.3 #25 · 50D, 5D replacement and beyond

all I want is three low-light sensitive, high precision, cross-type sensors at 25%, 50%, and 75% of the long dimension. No other crap clouding up the viewfinder. My F100 was pretty close to this and worked great.

Aug 25, 2008 at 12:22 AM


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