mawz wrote:
The D90 will not be quite as much camera as the 50D. But it will be close.
12MP
4.5fps
3" 922K display
Live View
HD Video recording in LV mode (the killer app for the D90).
Baby D300 in other words, like the D80 is a baby D200.
OK, stop for a moment. Is HD video recording coming soon? This is very interesting to me as I 'do' video as much as photography and the biggest problem for me is getting decent depth of field control, even on expensive machines like my XH A1. Also, the hassle with camcorders is that AF isn't like on my 1DmkIII or 5D, I can't select a focus point etc. Now, if we are going to see this kind of thing soon we can expect a massive jump in creative video possibilities using our existing lenses.
With RED bringing out a new large sensor video for low money maybe things are about to change. Yippee
05xrunner wrote:
sorry..but most people when buying in this range are choosing between the 40D and D300...even though the price is a little more.
A little more? The EOS 40D has been selling for at or below $970 for much of 2008. The Nikon D300 has barely budged from $1600 in that same time frame. That is what you call a little more?
05xrunner wrote:
its the same 9 point af thats been around since the 20D...
No it is not. The actual AF sensors in those cameras are different. And there are 9 cross type AF points in the 40D compared to only 1 cross type AF point in the 20D. And the 40D features dual high precision center cross in a diagonal orientation, unlike the 20D's which was high precision in only one axis. And the 40D's AF system is barely 1 year old.
About the only thing the 40D AF system has in common with the 20D's is the actual number of points. But when you're teeming with all that negative energy, that's all you can notice... right? 05xrunner, you are certainly the most negative pessimist I've encountered in this forum. You are a veritable black hole everywhere you go.
I'll weigh in on this discussion with my own views. Personally I think a 9-point AF system is weak. I'm a shooter who is always scrolling to the AF point that matches what I want in focus and I almost never have all AF point selected, in fact I can't remember the last time I enabled them all. Having them spread out in the screen would be very valuable to me and my style of shooting. The 9 in the XSi, and the 5D aren't enough. They are so tightly grouped in the 5D that I grumble about it to myself all the time. It makes a very fine camera clumsy in an important area.
I'd like them all to be cross-hatch as well. I think 15-21 points would be enough. I'm a big landscape shooter so lot of MP are important to me. A 5D with 16 or more MP and 15-21 AF points would be ideal for me. Preferably I'd like to see 18-21 mp but that may be a bit of a stretch.
Also I think they SHOULD split this line. They should have a camera that features high MP that doesn't worry about super-high ISO and then another that has less MP and supports a better high ISO. I think this would nicely fit into the needs of most photographers.
For the 5D in AI servo mode, there are 15 AF points and they do work well; however, we need those additional 6 AF points in single shot mode and preferably 6 more.
I went to see a D700 today, and although I don't like the buttons, if its AF is significantly superior to the 5DMkII, I'll be switching over. It also balances quite nicely and is "Made in Japan" and not Thailand.
Oh, and Nikon has a massive computer imaging design based lens program, with the new 12-24 F2.8 and 24-70 F2.8 being good examples. It is part of its program of targeting the professional market with a series of market leading lenses covering all the main focus ranges (sadly not too many primes planned yet). There are a slew of new Nikon lenses coming over the next couple of year…. So… Canon (a little slower than with this year’s bodies) is starting to focus on lens replacements and upgrades. Moving away from its previous more hand crafted design to the sophisticated computer controlled light modelling design techniques. Expect 2009 and 2010 to be very interesting lens wise… (A number of the lenses are being redone to get higher resolutions so as to not be embarrassed when FF sensors reach 50mp)
The irony in these threads is the debate about Canon's need to introduce new high end cameras matched with an inability to afford what's currently available today.
What is interesting here is most posters wouldn`t know what is true if it was stamped on thier forehead. I guess I can`t even say you will find out in time because most can`t even get the facts strait on models that already exist. I would suggest to stop with all the negativity and think....if it doesn`t hurt to much. Do you really think Canon will let everyone pass them by I think we are coming into some great times for all photographers......and if for some reason we are not....what I have now makes beautifull images and I am qiute happy with it..
rsg_1 wrote:
For the 5D in AI servo mode, there are 15 AF points and they do work well;
True, used for tracking but for single shot there's only the 9 and that's the rub.
I went to see a D700 today, and although I don't like the buttons, if its AF is significantly superior to the 5DMkII, I'll be switching over. It also balances quite nicely and is "Made in Japan" and not Thailand.
Can't wait a week to see what Canon is coming out with? What if it's all that you wanted? I think a week or two is all the waiting that will likely be required.
+10 for having more autofocus points. I was waiting like crazy for the 50d to come out in the hope that Canon would give it more AF points but I was wrong (once again!) tsk tsk.
However, I am also beginning to believe people like me are in a minority because most people are so happy with the 9 point layout that they are already singing praises of the 50d. I agree that d300 is a price apart but what options do we have in 1.6x cameras with similar AF? None...not the GREAT 5d that people litterally salivate over comes close.
Everyone has different needs and that's the rub for Canon users. With Nikon currently having the edge in weather sealing, autofocus, lcd, and arguably it's matrix metering, Canon's next offering really needs to step up to the plate. I shoot professionally but in my small market I can't make new MKIII's pay for themselves. I'll almost undoubtedly get at least one new 5D when it comes out. I'm expecting better high ISO performance and a better LCD. I'd really like more AF points. I currently have to use my MKII for sports simply because keeping an object in the right compositional placement while in AI Servo with 9 points doesn't work well. Nor does my 40D track as well, nor can I set the tracking sensitivity and that's critical at times. My MKII was amazing when it came out and nothing has changed about that. While I do think Nikon has a better line up today, I'm glad about that because it will ensure a better response by Canon. I can't afford to switch. The cost would be huge ( I looked at it closely). And if I did, in three years Canon my have a new breakthrough body. I don't post a lot. I prefer shooting and developing in Photoshop to posting , but it's all quite interesting and entertaining to see a dozen different versions of the TRUTH about what's coming and when it's coming. Jan 2007 at the latest if I recall some post! All I know is my rarely used 20D backup will be sold, and at least one 5D will be bought. Maybe two if there are more than 9 AF points, which I doubt. Time will tell.
Geoff Costello wrote:
"...Canon is waking up. They are aware of what Sony and Nikon are going to release (have been for some while) and are on an active fightback program...
...Have a great and wonderful day ;-)"
HEY! Someone took a big dump right here in the Canon Forum, and everybody here continues stepping right in it!
Be advised, step around the large, steaming pile of you-know-what. Move along, move along...
I think we are coming into some great times for all photographers......and if for some reason we are not....what I have now makes beautifull images and I am qiute happy with it.. 