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j-bo Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #1 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii I need some help. I have a new to me 1dmarkII that didn't come with the software. I shoot at 2 mx tracks that have red dirt and it just makes for a reddish tone to the photo's and I have to do a -25 or so on the red saturation level to get it half way decent. I would like to try changing the color tone to +2 (standard is 0, portrait is -2) but don't have the software to change the tone as it says in the manual to use. Is there any other options to get the reds toned down? What Canon disk has the color tone dealio on it? Is it the mark2 software or the other canon software? I have a rebelxt also that I bought new that has Canon software with it. Aug 21, 2008 at 04:12 PM

05xrunner Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #2 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii yea the rebel software is the same...just go to canons website and download the newest updates of everything as well and update them all. Aug 21, 2008 at 04:19 PM

j-bo Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #3 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii Thanks. I'm assuming the process to change the tone is included in the software? Aug 21, 2008 at 04:24 PM

05xrunner Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #4 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii I think it is done with the EOS Utility software..thats where it seems everything else is done with the camera..I have never really changed anything on mine in the software but putting my name in the camera with the EOS utility. Also the camera has to be connected via Firewire..it wont let you makes changes using usb Aug 21, 2008 at 04:27 PM

j-bo Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #5 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii OOF.. no firewire. Guess I'm going to be off to the store for firewire-usb adapter. EDIT: Well there isn't one... dang. Hate to buy a firewire card just for this, but..oh well. Dunno what else to try for the reds. Thanks for the help. Edited on Aug 21, 2008 at 04:38 PM Aug 21, 2008 at 04:34 PM

Alan321 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #6 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii You should not have to desaturate the red on any photos unless (1) you have the wrong white balance setting or (2) you are looking for unrealistic colours or (3) you do have your monitor properly calibrated and profiled or (4) you do have your monitor properly calibrated and profiled but it does not have adequate colour gamut (such as on a lap top screen). The Canon cameras and lenses are better than that. However, if you really do want to make the change to the colour tone then no software is required. Go to the first (left-most) menu in the camera, select colour matrix, select set up, select an appropriate custom colour matrix group (1 or 2) and make the required settings to colour tone and other settings. Press Menu to back out to the colour matrix menu and then select CM set1 or set 2 (whichever you modified in the set up menu). All done in-camera. The trick is to use the CM set1 or 2 after you have made the custom changes. You can't tweak the "standard" or "portrait" colour matrix settings but as I have described you do not need to. WB changes are also done in-camera but can be done in post processing too (or instead, if you shoot raw mode). - Alan PS: You will need the firewire cable to set the personal functions at least once. After they have been set via the computer software the individual PFs can be reset to default or set back to those computer-generated settings in-camera using a menu on the LCD. I recommend that you set every PF to something that might eventually be useful one day and then reset them in-camera until you need them. That will minimise the number of times you need to connect the camera to the computer and give you more flexibility for making changes in the field. Edited on Aug 21, 2008 at 05:01 PM Aug 21, 2008 at 04:56 PM

Alistair Watson Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #7 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii Assuming the OP has his monitor calibrated correctly, all the stuff that Alan321 wrote in his first paragraph, then I would be inclined to suggest looking at creating a customer ACR profile using the new (in beta) Adobe DNG profiler software. All the Canon bodies I have owned have a habit of slightly blowing the reds in some situations. Aug 21, 2008 at 05:25 PM

j-bo Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #8 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii I tried that and I can't change color tone that way. It is set at standard. I can select contrast and sharpness only. I'll try again when I get home though. As far as needing to desaturate reds. you tell me what's better? The camera see's more red than there is to the dirt. The 037 shows more what the color of the dirt looks like, but desaturating the reds has a funky look to it and is time consuming. So I thought trying different tone settings for these 2 places that have a slight red dirt might help. Other tracks where the dirt is normal dirt, there isn't a problem. Standard: -37 reds: Standard: -37 reds: Edited on Aug 21, 2008 at 05:26 PM Aug 21, 2008 at 05:26 PM

Alan321 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #9 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii j-bo wrote: I tried that and I can't change color tone that way. It is set at standard. I can select contrast and sharpness only. I'll try again when I get home though. j-bo, I think you tried adjusting the Parameters menu instead of the Colour Matrix menu. The colour tone setting is part of the custom Colour Matrix set up menu. If your screen is properly profiled and has adequate gamut and if the photos are producing unrealistically red soils then obviously some correction is required. However, me saying which photo looks better is fundamentally flawed because I haven't seen the original scenery. Even if I had we'd need to view the images in colour managed software to properly judge the reds which do indeed look crappy when viewed with Internet Explorer on my monitor, but look like some real Aussie ground when viewed in DPP. If your screen is not properly profiled then chances are pretty good that you are correcting the wrong thing and that if you then took those corrected photo files to a properly set up computer you would see too little red. This line of thinking applies to the majority of photographers who do not use colour management and mistakenly believe their screens and MS Windows are producing accurate colours and tones. As Alistair does a lot more photography than I do I'll assume that he is right about the cameras blowing the reds in some situations. I'm just not aware of them other than when I have exposed for the general brightness (luminance) without allowing for predominantly pure and bright colours such as blues and reds which then tend to max out because only 30% of the red level and 11% of the blue level contribute to the value of luminance that is used by the camera. However, this is an exposure issue and desaturating reds would adversely affect the overall colour balance instead of just the overexposure. - Alan Aug 21, 2008 at 06:02 PM

j-bo Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #10 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii My home PC is profiled. These 2 tracks are the only problems, others do not have the red issues. Thus my reasoning for trying a different tone setting. You are probably very correct in that I was in the Paramaters menu instead of Color Matrix. When I get home, this is the 1st thing I'm going to do!! Thanks for pointing that out to me. A "normal dirt" track photo: And.. what's good to know, is that a Professional came to the same track where my photo's were taken and they had a terrible time with "too much red". Here is there shot they left alone. The whole thing looks oversaturated with the reds looking terrible. Aug 21, 2008 at 07:16 PM

j-bo Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #11 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii j-bo, I think you tried adjusting the Parameters menu instead of the Colour Matrix menu. The colour tone setting is part of the custom Colour Matrix set up menu. You were correct, I was looking at tone slope in Parameters instead of color matrix. Thanks! Aug 21, 2008 at 11:31 PM

Alan321 Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #12 · help with color tone setting 1dmarkii And it seems that I have learned something new too. - Alan Aug 22, 2008 at 08:41 AM

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