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p.1 #1 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


I want to shoot my D3 tethered in the studio, but have been fighting with Nikon software and am at a loss for the best way to do this.

I'm happy to get 'Capture One' or other software that makes this simple.

All I need is for the camera to shoot, the image to go, by wire, to the laptop, and store itself in a folder, and the most recent image to auto display in a window that fills the available monitor space (ie, not a thumbnail).

I'll use Bridge to sort the images after that.

What is the best workflow for Nikon?

B

Aug 07, 2008 at 12:39 PM
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p.1 #2 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


Nikon does offer Nikon Camera Control Pro software for shooting tethered. You can set it up to save your files to any connected HD and have your software pointed to a watched folder. Not sure if you can do this with Bridge, but you can with LR. Martin Evening had posted a good tutorial on this some time back but I can't find the link. Try Google.

Aug 07, 2008 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #3 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


You don’t mention your intended use, but I have used it for image review for portrait and some commercial uses. This is what I know:

What you need is Nikon's Camera Control Pro software. It will do exactly what you want. I have used it to view the raw images as I shoot, and love it. My clients love to be able to do that, too, which is very important.

It connects to the camera via a USB cable (you'll have to get an extension cable or two, depending on how far away your camera is from the computer. Not only will it display the images exactly the way you want it to, you can actually control the camera from the computer, should you want to.

You will have to remember to change your camera's USB setting from Mass Storage (which is used only to download images to the computer) to PTP (which is used to communicate with the computer through Camera Control Pro). I don't have a D3, so I don't know where in the menu system that control is, but on my D2h, it's under "Setup." You'll also have to tweak a couple of CCP settings to have it show the full frame image, but that's easy.

However, be aware of these things:

1. It is God-awful slow. I shoot compressed RAW, and even with my D2h, which creates relatively small RAW files, the computer cannot come close to keeping up, even shooting as slow as a frame every couple of seconds. As big as the D3's files are, I can't imagine waiting for them to transfer. My clients would fall asleep from bordom waiting.

2. You are limited to the length of the USB cable. USB will only travel just so far, then loose signal. You’ll need a cart or table nearby for the computer. I forget exactly what the maximum distance is, but I can only go about 16 feet.

3. I also find dragging the cable around a real pain in the neck, every bit as much as the old sync cords were before PWs. And I am forever living in fear of tripping over it, and either yanking the computer off the cart, or worse, ripping something up on the camera’s USB output. As a result, I waste a foot or two of cable length on each end trying to devise some sort of strain relief. What a pain.

My solution to these problems came from a gentleman named David Tejada (http://www.davidtejada.com). He uses a portable DVD player connected to the camera's video out jack. The images remain on the camera's card, and when either I or the client want to review, I just plug up, and hit the playback button on the back of the camera. (An added little benefit with my D2h is that the camera’s LCD screen remains hot, even when something is plugged into the video out jack. This means that I can hand the DVD player to my client, and let them look at it, while I look at the camera’s LCD screen. We’re seeing the exact same thing, without having to get too personal with each other, which keeps my wife happy. ) When it’s time to shoot, I just unplug again.

The resolution of the DVD player isn't so great, but it's good enough to give both me and my client a good sense of what's going on. And since there is no lag time between shooting and download (because there is no download), the images can be viewed instantly.

Hope this helps. Good luck, and if you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

Don

Edited on Aug 07, 2008 at 05:19 PM


Aug 07, 2008 at 05:12 PM
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p.1 #4 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


Nikon Camera Control Pro 2 is about your only option for this workflow, unless you went to spend the $500 or so for the wireless unit.

Aug 07, 2008 at 06:46 PM
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p.1 #5 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


j.curtis wrote:
Nikon Camera Control Pro 2 is about your only option for this workflow, unless you went to spend the $500 or so for the wireless unit.


I could be wrong, but I believe that even with the wireless unit, you still need the software (Camera Control Pro, version whatever) to shoot directly to a computer.

Don

Aug 07, 2008 at 07:37 PM
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p.1 #6 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


donrisi wrote:
j.curtis wrote:
Nikon Camera Control Pro 2 is about your only option for this workflow, unless you went to spend the $500 or so for the wireless unit.


I could be wrong, but I believe that even with the wireless unit, you still need the software (Camera Control Pro, version whatever) to shoot directly to a computer.

Don


You might. I can't justify the expense, so I really don't know the details besides the sticker shock of the wireless unit!

Aug 07, 2008 at 07:45 PM
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p.1 #7 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


Don - thank you for the run down.

I currently shoot to the computer in studio in much the way you outline - but using a 1DsIII. After my second bout of focus issues with Canon (my 1D3 is hopeless, and now the 1DsIII gives me probems at f5 or wider), so I'm putting the Nikon to trial in studio.

Anyway, I use a kitchen cart (on casters) in studio. I have a 40foot extention corrd running to a powerbar mounted on the cart, so it will wheel around the studio pretty much anywhere I need it too. On top of the cart I have a mac monitor (24 inch) which sits beside (and plugs into) my macbook pro. With the Canon using EOS Utility, images are transfered from camera to a chosen file on the laptop quite quickly (even with 1DsIII files). I use DPP to display the current/most recent image in a full-screen windown on the monitor, and Bridge to display thumbnails on the laptop. Clients and I can review on either screen, but my MUA is getting pretty amazing and ranking the images at they pop up (using Bridge's 5 star system).

I use a 12-15 foot (not sure) USB cable currently, and will give it a go with the Nikon. I have a cheapy folding table that I also keep near the kitchen cart to put the camera and lenses on, or, alternatively - water/pop (none on the cart near the laptop!!). I too live in fear of pulling something off of somewhere, but the wifi transfer is so maddeningly slow that I gave up on it a while back.

If I can get this workflow (or better) running with Nikon, I'll be much happier about potentially switching systems, should Nikon release a D3x at somepoint soon (that focusses).

Aug 07, 2008 at 08:05 PM
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p.1 #8 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


I shoot wirelessly to my laptop. In fact, I use the process not just in a studio environment, but at events and weddings to shoot, the camera automatically and instantly (or within 2 seconds), transmits the photo to my laptop and then displays the image on my projector. I also can have a slide show running and as the photos are transmitted, they are added into the slide show, showing the new photo next and then moving on.

I don't have the software you mention. All you need is a FTP server software running on your computer. Which Windows XP PRO includes in the operating system. All it takes is turning it on and letting it accept the transmission from your Nikon camera.

This options works both in the tethered mode and in the wireless mode.


Aug 12, 2008 at 06:41 AM
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p.1 #9 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


donrisi wrote:
1. It is God-awful slow. I shoot compressed RAW, and even with my D2h, which creates relatively small RAW files, the computer cannot come close to keeping up, even shooting as slow as a frame every couple of seconds. As big as the D3's files are, I can't imagine waiting for them to transfer. My clients would fall asleep from bordom waiting.


Bear in mind that the D2H uses USB1 which is really slow compared to USB 2 which the D3 uses. So the files might be bigger but the transfer rate is about 30x better.


Aug 12, 2008 at 11:19 AM
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p.1 #10 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


Another way to do the transfer is to use the wi-fi module. No software needed (assuming you have an FTP server), just send the files via ftp to a folder and set your software ot monitor the folder. Lightroom can be told to check a folder and then copy/rename/do other things to files. If you only want this for previewing large, you shoot NEF+JPG and only send the JPG to the computer which will speed-up the transfer even more.

Aug 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM
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panos.v wrote:
donrisi wrote:
1. It is God-awful slow. I shoot compressed RAW, and even with my D2h, which creates relatively small RAW files, the computer cannot come close to keeping up, even shooting as slow as a frame every couple of seconds. As big as the D3's files are, I can't imagine waiting for them to transfer. My clients would fall asleep from bordom waiting.


Bear in mind that the D2H uses USB1 which is really slow compared to USB 2 which the D3 uses. So the files might be bigger but the transfer rate is about 30x better.


That might very well explain the slowness. Interestingly, in the past, whenever I've plugged a USB 1 device into my computer (which is USB2), I've always received a warning message. Never have recevied that warning message with the D2h. I'll have to look into it.

Don

Aug 12, 2008 at 12:19 PM
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p.1 #12 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


donrisi wrote:
That might very well explain the slowness. Interestingly, in the past, whenever I've plugged a USB 1 device into my computer (which is USB2), I've always received a warning message. Never have recevied that warning message with the D2h. I'll have to look into it.

Don


Hhhmmmm...interesting, the D2H is listed as USB 2. The thing is, I have a D2H and a D70s and the transfer speed is slow on both of them. The D70s does have USB 1 so I always assumed the H is USB 1 too! Strange...

Aug 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM
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p.1 #13 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


Understand that USB is a SHARED bus and the speed of USB is dependent upon the other devices connected to your USB. Firewire on the other hand is a dedicated connection and will always perform at consistent speeds.

If you must work with USB and speed is a concern, try removing all optional USB connections from your computer, this will help speed up your transfers. Also, if a USB 1 device is connected to a USB 2 computer, the USB slows everything down to the USB 1 speed for compatibility!

Another option would be to upgrade from the D2h to a faster camera, I owned the D2h 3 years ago and I always found the transfer rates slow. Including Wireless, which was only 11mb, due to the 8011.b transfer rate.

Aug 12, 2008 at 03:55 PM
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falcon wrote:
Understand that USB is a SHARED bus and the speed of USB is dependent upon the other devices connected to your USB. Firewire on the other hand is a dedicated connection and will always perform at consistent speeds.

If you must work with USB and speed is a concern, try removing all optional USB connections from your computer, this will help speed up your transfers. Also, if a USB 1 device is connected to a USB 2 computer, the USB slows everything down to the USB 1 speed for compatibility!

Another option would be to upgrade from the D2h to a faster camera, I owned the D2h 3 years ago and I always found the transfer rates slow. Including Wireless, which was only 11mb, due to the 8011.b transfer rate.


1. At the time of the slow transfers, the D2h was the only thing connected to the computer, USB or otherwise. Period.

2. As far as I know, Firewire is not an option, with any Nikon camera. It's USB or it's nothing. And keep in mind that the wireless unit connects to the camera via the camera's USB output. The unit simply screws on the bottom of the body via the tripod socket, and a short cable built into the wireless unit plugs into the camers'a USB port. So like it or not, you are still dealing with USB.

3. We are in the process of hijacking the OP's thread, so while I appreciate the input, it's his concerns that are the most important.

Don

Edited on Aug 13, 2008 at 12:26 AM


Aug 13, 2008 at 12:21 AM
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p.1 #15 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


If I am not mistken you only need the free Nikon View software that comes with the camera to accept the images over the USB interface. Camera Control is used if you want to remote control the camera from the computer. It can basically bypass the camera and provide all of the control via the computer. I use Nikon View with Camera Control and also NX and they all work well together in my workflow.

Phil



Aug 13, 2008 at 07:03 AM
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p.1 #16 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


pwcphoto wrote:
If I am not mistken you only need the free Nikon View software that comes with the camera to accept the images over the USB interface. Camera Control is used if you want to remote control the camera from the computer. It can basically bypass the camera and provide all of the control via the computer. I use Nikon View with Camera Control and also NX and they all work well together in my workflow.

Phil



I believe this is only true in the older versions of Nikon View.


Aug 14, 2008 at 12:44 AM
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p.1 #17 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


If you are only needing this for review purposes, can't you take advantage of the hdmi output for hi def output on a monitor and elimanate the downloading and processing time of the computer? I am hoping this works for the d3 but haven't tried it yet.

Aug 17, 2008 at 03:50 AM
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j.curtis wrote:
pwcphoto wrote:
If I am not mistken you only need the free Nikon View software that comes with the camera to accept the images over the USB interface. Camera Control is used if you want to remote control the camera from the computer. It can basically bypass the camera and provide all of the control via the computer. I use Nikon View with Camera Control and also NX and they all work well together in my workflow.

Phil



I believe this is only true in the older versions of Nikon View.


Absolutely.

Separating the two functions into Nikon View and Camera Capture Pro allowed two things to happen --

1) better downloading and remote control of the camera, and
2) now Nikon can sell us 2 software packages instead of one.

Don

Aug 17, 2008 at 04:50 AM
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p.1 #19 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


Here is the tips from Scott Kelby on the tethered method with Lightroom.


Aug 17, 2008 at 05:03 AM
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p.1 #20 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


Sorry for the late post -

Have you heard of "Slave" ? its dedicated to Nikon tethered shooting and studio photography, and runs on Windows XP and Windows 2000.

You can read more at www.OxfordEye.co.uk

Hope that helps

Todd.

Sep 26, 2008 at 06:54 PM
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p.1 #21 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


I have used the script supplied at DIYPhotoBits with good success. It does tethered shooting only, no camera control. It is a bit "geeky" to setup but I see that there is a video on the site that demonstrates setup.

Jim

Sep 26, 2008 at 07:22 PM
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p.1 #22 · Tethered Nikon advice needed


James Johnson wrote:
I have used the script supplied at DIYPhotoBits with good success. It does tethered shooting only, no camera control. It is a bit "geeky" to setup but I see that there is a video on the site that demonstrates setup.


Thanks for mentioning my script! I sure hope it can help someone. I have to say though that it almost-but-not-quite fulfils the requirements of the OP.

Specifically the full screen viewing. I can script the tethered downloading part, save into a folder, and then send a keystroke to a viewing program to make it advance. But in my tests with Bridge it don't work full screen. Almost though -- you can make the image size maximum and hide all the panels at the side and it is pretty good but it's still not 100%.

I'm thinking of building some more scripting to do the actual displaying -- but then I'll have to process RAW which is an extra step. JPG shouldn't be hard. Also I'd like to be able to have the tethered download happen on computer A but have the display happen on computer B, which could be in another room or indeed another continent (wonders of the Interweb!).

I can imagine photographer in studio in NY and Art Director in office in London connected via speakerphone -- photographer goes click and in some reasonable time (I think I can do 8 to 10 seconds) image appears for Art Director who can say something really useful like "no, no, I want to see more force in the image".

Oops, wandering off topic... BTW if my script is too geeky - so geeky you can't get it to work in 5 minutes - please ask. It'll motivate me to do better instructions!

Yours,
Raymond
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