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p.2 #1 · PC vs Mac User Poll

ajkessler wrote:
sjms wrote:
you do realize that as macs become more popular that they too will become targets (and slowly are too). and no there is no built in superimmunity there. at this point just not as fun to do for the darkside because the overall kill is small. stability wise any system is what you make of it. i can kill a mac as fast as a windows setup and proven it in a matter od seconds. the results are just the same.
the fact is is that at this point the most secure and stable is linux. the reason there is the same lack of caring for those who do what they do.

there is no security that is written that cannot be breached with a little thought and effort.

Ben, you didn't include a 'Both' option, which I would have selected.

The above is more true than 99.9% of the mac community/fashionistas realize. Apple's success will breed problems that it's never had to face before. It will be interesting to see how it responds.

As to the 'apple is more elegant/easier/better/simpler to use' argument... maybe it's because I actually know how to use wintel machines, but they're not really any more elegant/easier/better/simpler to use. If Microsoft included the drivers MILLIONS of peripherals it supports (as Apple does with the thousands that it supports), I'm sure this complaint would pretty much disappear. Of course that would be a lot of wasted HD space...and you could always figure out how to install the drivers you need :/

Mac myopia....it's not heritable, but unfortunately, it can be caught....

You can't argue with iSheep. You just waste your time and it annoys the sheep..

Jul 30, 2008 at 01:54 PM

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p.2 #2 · PC vs Mac User Poll

I've been using both since 1984. Fortunately Windows XP can now run native on Intel Mac so I won't have to purchase PC anymore. I'm a good computer trouble-shooter thanks mainly to PC/Windows.

Mac OS X Leopard is fully UNIX-compliant, BTW.

Edited on Jul 30, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Jul 30, 2008 at 01:55 PM

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A.Y. wrote:

Mac OS X Leopard is fully UNIX-compliant, BTW.

Always has been for the most part, Only thing it Apple ever did was give Unix core the case insensitivity that most normal users like. You have to be a geek or have some programming background to appreciate why thisFile.txt and this THISFILE.txt being 2 different files kind of makes sense and is useful with unix case sensitivity. Normal users....ehh don't like it. Not so bad once you get used to it though.

Edited by hidden_Markov on Jul 31, 2008 at 03:40 PM GMT

Edited on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:40 AM

Jul 31, 2008 at 02:21 AM

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I run PCs but have been curious about MAC.
For now its too proprietary keeping prices up, If the prices come down I may try one.

Jul 31, 2008 at 05:44 AM

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JustinThyme wrote:
I run PCs but have been curious about MAC.
For now its too proprietary keeping prices up, If the prices come down I may try one.

Really? The Mac Pro I just bought was £100 cheaper than an equivalent Dell running Windows Vista x64.

Also, I now have OS X equivalents to all the little utilities I had on Windows. And worst case there is always Parallels or VMWare Fusion if you want to run Windows though I chose to move over completely to Mac.

Edited on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:13 AM

Jul 31, 2008 at 09:10 AM

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p.2 #6 · PC vs Mac User Poll

I own both. I just purchased my first Mac Pro with raid drive, 4 TB drives and 16gig ram but I must say I still prefer my PC. Maybe I need time. One thing I find the mighty mouse a bit sluggish.

Perry

Jul 31, 2008 at 01:29 PM

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As a new Mac owner I thought the mighty mouse was a bit rubbish, anyway, I have now got my Wacom tablet set up on the Mac so no worries there.

Jul 31, 2008 at 05:06 PM

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p.2 #8 · PC vs Mac User Poll

Alistair Watson wrote:
JustinThyme wrote:
I run PCs but have been curious about MAC.
For now its too proprietary keeping prices up, If the prices come down I may try one.

Really? The Mac Pro I just bought was £100 cheaper than an equivalent Dell running Windows Vista x64.

Also, I now have OS X equivalents to all the little utilities I had on Windows. And worst case there is always Parallels or VMWare Fusion if you want to run Windows though I chose to move over completely to Mac.

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Parallels can have issues sometimes. We have fun with our macs in the graphic arts section with some parallels issues. Better than wine no doubt, but not by much for some apps. And VMware...in my opinion if you are using that beyond server consolidation (new thing is to run one mega multiprocessor box with virtual server clients to reduce server hardware) or testing (I did ubuntu in virtual to get a feel for it over days, also to set up a few clients to get some prac ap for MCSE certification), you really need to cut the umbilical cord lol. Cool you switched completely, I know some mac users who use the actual Mac OS very little. Start her up and go to VMware and spend most time in there. Should have stayed PC imo if they still use windows that much on their Mac.

That and unless Jobs says you can run the hardware, lots of luck doing parts upgrades. Love piece by piece upgrades to keep the life cycle going for as long as possible on my systems. Have a workstation that gets small upgrades to get a really long useful life cycle, Has been around for 8 years now. USB 2.0 came out, PCI card that. Sata came out, it got a new sata card and a new SATA drive. Something hard to do with macs. Next workstation will be DIY (its a dual PIII setup, can't do much to upgrade that and its becoming a bottleneck now), cheaper and can keep the hardware upgrade path I love so much.

Jul 31, 2008 at 11:19 PM

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I've always used PC's, it's what I grew up with and what we use everyday at work.

The best news on this subject is that Adobe Lr 2.0 is optimised for 64 bit and Ps CS4 will be too so now I can install Vista Ultimate, get myself a whole heap of RAM and hopefully, get some decent speeds out of my PC.

Jul 31, 2008 at 11:23 PM

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monochrome wrote:
I have both

Aug 01, 2008 at 05:24 AM

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hidden_Markov wrote:

[...unless Jobs says you can run the hardware, lots of luck doing parts upgrades. Love piece by piece upgrades to keep the life cycle going for as long as possible on my systems. Have a workstation that gets small upgrades to get a really long useful life cycle, Has been around for 8 years now. USB 2.0 came out, PCI card that. Sata came out, it got a new sata card and a new SATA drive. Something hard to do with macs. Next workstation will be DIY (its a dual PIII setup, can't do much to upgrade that and its becoming a bottleneck now), cheaper and can keep the hardware upgrade path I love so much.

You obviously don't understand Mac platform. I have two "Hackintosh" machines that have been upgraded without requiring "lots of luck".

An 8 year old Apple desktop machine was upgraded from single processor to dual processors, third party (non-Apple certified off-the-shelf pc components) memory, hard drive, video card, DVD writer, wireless, upgraded cooling, third party keyboard and mouse.

For purely nostalgic reasons I still keep around an almost 11 year old Apple laptop that has upgraded processor (G3 to G4), third party memory, wireless upgrade, larger/faster hard drive, additional hard drive storage that replaces the removable DVD writer (upgraded from original CD reader) via third party hard drive housing.

They both run latest version of OS X without problems - only caveat is that the laptop does not utilize the fancy visual effects of the latest OS due to limited onboard video capability. But hey, it's an 11 year old laptop.

So don't go around spewing "facts" without the experience or knowledge to back up your claims.

Edited on Aug 01, 2008 at 07:24 AM

Aug 01, 2008 at 07:12 AM

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hidden_Markov wrote:
And to be honest, could say people with the new new macs just have a case now with the intel inside macs and are just PC's that run Apple OS's, but that would be mean.

Time = money so as long as Mac OS X gives me less headaches than Windows, running either on my Intel Macs or my PCs, I'll be more than happy to pay more for Apple products at the beginning and end up saving money and frustrations in the long run.

hidden_Markov wrote:
Only thing it Apple ever did was give Unix core the case insensitivity that most normal users like. You have to be a geek or have some programming background to appreciate why thisFile.txt and this THISFILE.txt being 2 different files kind of makes sense and is useful with unix case sensitivity. Normal users....ehh don't like it. Not so bad once you get used to it though.

I'd used a Silicon Graphics Onyx Extreme Unix workstation for years so I know Apple did far more with OS X and Unix than what you'd claimed.

hidden_Markov wrote:
That and unless Jobs says you can run the hardware, lots of luck doing parts upgrades. Love piece by piece upgrades to keep the life cycle going for as long as possible on my systems. Have a workstation that gets small upgrades to get a really long useful life cycle, Has been around for 8 years now. USB 2.0 came out, PCI card that. Sata came out, it got a new sata card and a new SATA drive. Something hard to do with macs. Next workstation will be DIY (its a dual PIII setup, can't do much to upgrade that and its becoming a bottleneck now), cheaper and can keep the hardware upgrade path I love so much.

I've put video cards, sATA cards, FireWire cards, CPU upgrades into pretty much all of my Mac desktops without problems.

Just like AJ Nadershahi said - "You obviously don't understand Mac platform. So don't go around spewing "facts" without the experience or knowledge to back up your claims."

Edited on Aug 01, 2008 at 02:52 PM

Aug 01, 2008 at 08:13 AM

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Daniel Buck wrote:
PC and Linux.

true to a certain extent. falls well short on drivers and other programs other then developmental types. for the average home user far from the promised land

Aug 01, 2008 at 03:41 PM

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windows and linux here also. just upgraded main rig to vista x64 and love it so far. im also running linux for my file storage server.

my gf has an iMac, though its nice and all but i still prefer my PC. typically when i upgrade a certain part in my main PC, ill use that part and upgrade my server PC like processor, memory, etc .. plus it doesnt cost much either

Aug 01, 2008 at 04:17 PM

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p.2 #15 · PC vs Mac User Poll

Get a life get a Mac

Aug 01, 2008 at 05:28 PM

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p.2 #16 · PC vs Mac User Poll

I bought my first Mac after using PC's for over 20 years. Now I wish I hadn't waited so long to make the switch!

Aug 01, 2008 at 11:41 PM

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p.2 #17 · PC vs Mac User Poll

A Mac always. When I saw that most local newspapers, schools, and graphics departments were using Macs, I wanted to find out why budget-conscious companies were spending more to buy Macs. The answer was that they were easier for employees/students to operate and the yearly repair and operating costs were much less than Windoze computers.

Aug 04, 2008 at 06:35 PM

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A.Y. wrote:

I'd used a Silicon Graphics Onyx Extreme Unix workstation for years so I know Apple did far more with OS X and Unix than what you'd claimed.

My bad for going simple. given not tech thread for computer people, going into the internals of the whole hfs variants, ufs variats, throw in sun zfs for giggles and grins seemed a bit much.

You and others know what your terminal window is. You also have to admit most unless given instruction will never see that unless they needed to go there. Knowing the shell they were running...Hell tell them installing korn might be better for them and they would say I hate/like that band. From a user perspective and one of the main points of apple unix for your ordinary every day user is when they have to go to terminal they will not see the message we all love so much when we fat finger an ls to Ls buried deep in a in piped command. Why I went simple. Not a knock against the apple people, I deal with windows system admins gui zombies who get lost in the sauce after typing 3 simple letters in start-->run. CMD

Also don't get me wrong, not a mac hater. Actually a Mac Pro is on the short list of new puters for me if I decide to no go diy this next upgrade. One of the better OEM prebuilt puter makers out there. Give Jobs credit, he makes some good stuff. But if you know what you are doing, a mac can be upgraded. Guess I am rephrasing earlier statement for clarity. Now your friends mac who is your normal user (and you aren't around) out the blue wants to run an exotic video card, sound card, whatever. May not have drivers. That is what I was getting at. You and I know a driver is gonna be somewhere. Maybe not on their site, but some tech geeks or in a repository somewhere. My comment was made based on user expectation and ability though. Some tweak a driver to work on *nix, Most like their setup.exe.

Basically think we can all agree to disagree. On my laptop every new ubuntu distro requires some new fangled way to get wireless to work. Some would say that is stupid and too much work. I say its okay and say its still one of the best things to run on any puter once you get the bugs out. All a perspective thing as with most things.

Aug 05, 2008 at 04:25 AM

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How about this one. Current PC user but will be making the switch just as soon as I have the $$ - which probably won't be for another year

I absolutely DREAD using PC's - they have been nothing but problems for me and since I pretty much know ZERO about computers makes it that much more difficult. I routinley would get "The Blue Screen of DEATH", spent days on the telephone with our overseas tech support and pretty much wiped out everything and started from scratch - Nice! worked fine for a week or so and now we're back to where we left off - Blue Screens of DEATH! I've been dealing with this for over a year and if Someone gave me the $$ I would buy an Apple today.

Michael

Aug 05, 2008 at 03:55 PM

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p.2 #20 · PC vs Mac User Poll

Ben, are you just bored today? Get out and shoot!

Aug 08, 2008 at 03:55 AM

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exclusively PC for the better part of 15 years until last december. i build my own Windows XP (just say no to vista) machines. They are extremely stable and I process large batch photo operations on them. I just bought a MacBook Pro last winter and love it. I still love my custom PCs, too. One thing I want to point out after buying my wife a Vista machine: it was easier for me to use the Mac, never having used one in my life, than it was for me to use Vista. I LOATHE vista (and the new MS Office, too). My MBP is primarily used for portable applications and personal use.

Edited on Aug 08, 2008 at 04:12 AM

Aug 08, 2008 at 04:10 AM

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p.2 #22 · PC vs Mac User Poll

Chris,

If you don't have it already, get Apple iWork 08. Great productivity software.

Aug 08, 2008 at 04:19 AM

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p.2 #23 · PC vs Mac User Poll

Once you go mac, you never go back. Or at least, I didn't. Unless there is some massively horrible departure from the awesomeness that is currently Apple. Yeah, I'm a fangirl. I can't help it. For the first time in my life I actually *like* using my computer.

Aug 08, 2008 at 04:47 AM

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Hampster powered abacus here

Aug 08, 2008 at 05:00 AM

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p.2 #25 · PC vs Mac User Poll

where is the botton for us who use both.

Henrik

Aug 08, 2008 at 02:43 PM


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