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tennclay wrote:
Canon 50mm F0.95...

In your face boke...

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This one is great! It has a 'large format' feel to it! Don't usually see this in 35mm shots, very cool

Jul 08, 2008 at 05:42 AM

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p.5 #2 · "Admirable" blur samples

oh man, i didn't see that pic earlier. In all the 50/.95 shots i've seen, i think this is one of the most "aggressive" in showing what the lens is capable of. Thank you for sharing!

Jul 08, 2008 at 07:05 AM

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p.5 #3 · "Admirable" blur samples

Samuli - which version of the L90 did you use - the last prior to it being discontinued (formula was adjusted for better close focus ) or an earlier version?

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Jul 08, 2008 at 11:24 AM

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p.5 #4 · "Admirable" blur samples

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Samuli - which version of the L90 did you use - the last prior to it being discontinued (formula was adjusted for better close focus ) or an earlier version?
It's latest version as far as I understand http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/451879/0#3881597

BTW. I also updated the "Short tele lens"-review: http://www.vahonen.com/photo/equipment/reviews/short_tele_lenses/
(3 more comparisons between Leica 90 and Zeiss 100ZF, below are the comparisons @ f/2.8)

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Jul 08, 2008 at 01:14 PM

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p.5 #5 · "Admirable" blur samples

Thanks. Nice shots BTW. Zeiss has slightly higher contrast (classic Zeiss vs Leica), and Zeiss colors are a bit more saturated - part of that being the higher contrast from the T* coatings. Resolution wise in center, are very, very close from the shots above. Bokeh-wise there is that love it/hate it double-edge effect on OOF edges with the Zeiss (flower stalks). 3D effect to the Zeiss. Depending on your taste in bokeh and contrast, it would be a toss-up either way (price aside of course).

Jul 08, 2008 at 03:04 PM

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p.5 #6 · "Admirable" blur samples

To my eyes, the Zeiss looks sharper, as well as a little higher contrast and little more saturation. I think the bokeh of the Zeiss, across all the images is nicer as well. There is a bit of a bright line effect on the evident in the Leica (in particular in the field shot at the top), For the most part, the Zeiss is smoother. I really don't see the double-edge effect mentioned with the Zeiss anywhere in these samples.

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Jul 08, 2008 at 03:41 PM

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p.5 #7 · "Admirable" blur samples

Samuli Vahonen wrote:
BTW. I also updated the "Short tele lens"-review: http://www.vahonen.com/photo/equipment/reviews/short_tele_lenses/

Thank you for the comparison, and with nice images to that.

To my eyes it seems as there is a little more microcontrast in the Zeiss images. If I'm not fooling myself that, together with the slightly increased contrast, has something to do with the 3D effect mentioned earlier. The Zeiss 100/2 Makro-Planar is interesting. Some day when I have the money I may have to check it out and compare it to the 90Cron ASPH and see how I feel about it. Regards,

Jul 08, 2008 at 04:18 PM

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p.5 #8 · "Admirable" blur samples

Thanks for nice comments about images but let's be honest they are just test images of subjects on different distances to evaluate bokeh and far from nice. Personally I have fallen in love with Zeiss bokeh after 35ZF and 100ZF - it may be a little edgy sometimes but it's up to photographer to utilize good properties of equipment and hide the bad properties. Earlier I reached only for smooth bokeh, but the Zeiss "character" has change my mind.

Let's turn around the expectations: Smooth bokeh from Zeiss and edgy bokeh from Leica

however I think both serve the purpose well...

Carl Zeiss Makro-Planal T* 2/100 ZF @ f/8

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Leica Summicron-R 50mm f/2.0 @ f/2

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PS. This week I try to compare Zeiss 100 to 85L and maybe 135L, maybe even EF100makro - however I doubt much surprices there, both Canon Ls ave just ultra smooth no-surprises bokeh, more interesting to see colors and contrast.
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Jul 08, 2008 at 06:01 PM

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p.5 #9 · "Admirable" blur samples

I finalized first comparison images between Zeiss 100 ZF and 85L and was pretty surprised that actually 85L performed almost as well as Zeiss 100 ZF in my first test scenarios except having some bokeh CA, well more demanding scenarios to be added later

Link to review.

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Both lenses do have some bokeh CA, but it's worse on 85L

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Jul 08, 2008 at 09:23 PM

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p.5 #10 · "Admirable" blur samples

King of cheap - the Helios-44-2 (58mm f2)

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Jul 09, 2008 at 03:59 AM

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p.5 #11 · "Admirable" blur samples

Samuli, the Summircron-R 50 looks significantly better 1/2 stop down from open... those bright lines completely go away.

Jul 09, 2008 at 04:10 AM

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p.5 #12 · "Admirable" blur samples

Cool thread. Thanks.

Jul 09, 2008 at 04:12 AM

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p.5 #13 · "Admirable" blur samples

mh2000 wrote:
Samuli, the Summircron-R 50 looks significantly better 1/2 stop down from open... those bright lines completely go away.
At this photo the intention was to give feeling of forest after rain when sun is shining as a background for spider web. I think wide open worked very well for this - also the bokeh is not distracting, it's just busy and a little edgy. The bokeh "circles" are evenly illuminated (would be annoying if edge of those circles would be more bright than the centers) and if there are two lights close to each other they nicely blend by those overlapping circles. Only thing I personally would like to change, if laws of physics would allow without making lens bigger size, is to have round circles in corners instead of "cats-eye" shaped.

Jul 09, 2008 at 06:17 AM

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p.5 #14 · "Admirable" blur samples

those circles look brighter around the edges on my screen... sorry. my Summicron does it too at f2... big difference at f2.4 (or whatever that first intermediate stop is)... much smoother IMO for not much more DOF. I like the feel of the photo though... don't mean to be critical. I just love my Summicron so much more after realizing how much smoother it is at f2.4...

Jul 09, 2008 at 07:21 AM

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p.5 #15 · "Admirable" blur samples

Agree, those circle edges are a little brighter than edges but not to nearly as bad as for example in Canon EF100mm f/2.8 USM Macro, much closer to "perfect" (see definition here: link) but not quite there.

Jul 09, 2008 at 07:46 AM

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ISO1600 wrote:
oh man, i didn't see that pic earlier. In all the 50/.95 shots i've seen, i think this is one of the most "aggressive" in showing what the lens is capable of. Thank you for sharing!

I only post that one for shock value! The boke is usually much more subdued than that.

Jul 09, 2008 at 10:27 AM

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p.5 #17 · "Admirable" blur samples

Samuli Vahonen wrote:
Agree, those circle edges are a little brighter than edges but not to nearly as bad as for example in Canon EF100mm f/2.8 USM Macro, much closer to "perfect" (see definition here: link) but not quite there.

Samuli, you stole my copyrighted Avatar!

Jul 09, 2008 at 10:28 AM

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p.5 #18 · "Admirable" blur samples

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Samuli, you stole my copyrighted Avatar!

Is yours taken with Canon lens it looks so flat and lacking the 3rd dimension

I'll have to change, I don't want to have similar avatar as someone else.

Jul 09, 2008 at 10:41 AM

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p.5 #19 · "Admirable" blur samples

Ok , you may be safe using it as a derivative work!

Yes, I think it was taken with a Canon Macro!

So that is the look you were going for? I thought that was CZ 21 Mustache distortion!

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Jul 09, 2008 at 10:47 AM

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p.5 #20 · "Admirable" blur samples

wanna see more?

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50489

Jul 09, 2008 at 03:23 PM

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p.5 #21 · "Admirable" blur samples

Here are a couple of wide open snaps from Pentax FA 77/1.8 Ltd

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JayT

Jul 10, 2008 at 06:56 AM

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p.5 #22 · "Admirable" blur samples

It's a Zuiko, guess which one

Jul 10, 2008 at 02:20 PM

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p.5 #23 · "Admirable" blur samples

Hi Jonas! Here are some samples from my Super-Multi-Coated Takumars. The 105/2.8 has the strongest double-lines.

Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 28/3.5@f/3.5:

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Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 35/2@f/2.8:

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Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 85/1.8@f/1.8:

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Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 105/2.8@f/2.8:

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Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 135/2.5@f/2.5:

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Jul 11, 2008 at 12:59 PM

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p.5 #24 · "Admirable" blur samples

Here are some Leica samples, too. Taken on an R9 with Digital Modul-R back.

Leitz Summicron-R 35/2
@f/2.8

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@f/2

Lietz Summicron-R 90/2
@f/2.0

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Jul 11, 2008 at 01:02 PM

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p.5 #25 · "Admirable" blur samples

...and no one has posted from the Jupiter-9 yet.

Jupiter-9 85/2
@f/2

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