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Rokkor 58 1.2 on 40D

http://obj.fotosidan.se/obj/photo/1f/1f90fc27d5d2dfce728500c16295f91c.jpg



Jun 04, 2008 at 02:36 PM
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http://obj.fotosidan.se/obj/photo/31/314a0f6c418f47f280f113b2aff57b25.jpg.jpg

Edited on Jun 04, 2008 at 02:38 PM



Jun 04, 2008 at 02:37 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Nice shots everyone, ?: can I post the 50 1.2L, or 1.0L. It seems there should be posts of these two up, but no one has, any reason why not?


Jun 04, 2008 at 06:57 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


patrickphoto wrote:
Nice shots everyone, ?: can I post the 50 1.2L, or 1.0L. It seems there should be posts of these two up, but no one has, any reason why not?


Since they are Canon AF lenses in native EF mount, they don't really qualify as "Alternative", but I'm not opposed to seeing some shots.



Jun 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


oops, forgot the alternative part! Thanks cog




Jun 04, 2008 at 07:24 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


All Rokkor 58/1.2 on 5D:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/IMG_6473.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/IMG_6491.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/IMG_6493.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/IMG_6498.jpg





Jun 04, 2008 at 08:37 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


beautiful...
I can't wait to try the Rokkor 58/1.2
It's on the way to the surgery.



Jun 04, 2008 at 10:42 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


cogitech wrote:
Since they are Canon AF lenses in native EF mount, they don't really qualify as "Alternative", but I'm not opposed to seeing some shots.


The alternative forum was created for the brands other than Canon or Nikon, which have their own forums. It was initially created to host the DMR Bible thread, because the Canon guys were complaining about it being in their forum.

I wouldn't mind seeing the bokeh of the f1.2 or f1 EF 50mm lenses. There have been a Nikon post here using a Nikon D3, so why not Canon EF on Canon?

I was hoping to see Canon 55mm f1.2 SSC shots too, as it has a good reputation.

So far, I am finding the Nikon f1.2 seems to have the next best bokeh behind the Noctilux The bokeh on some of the other lenses is a bit harsh, with hard outlines to objects in the background, rather than just a swirl of colour.

Robert


Edited on Jun 05, 2008 at 02:32 AM



Jun 05, 2008 at 02:27 AM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


I don't know how sharp the Nikkor 50/1.2 is wide open but this is how blurry the background can be made with the Rokkor 58/1.2

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q69/Blknoel/IMG_6506.jpg

Just a dirty Coke glass and a huge tree full of leaves (what leaves?) in the background.

However real life situations don't always allow perfect distances between objects for a completely blur BG, and I don't always find it artistic either. Some harsh bokeh actually make for very interesting shots.

A fast lens with creamy bokeh is nice, but a lens' bokeh with "character" (brainiac's term) is also welcome.

Edited on Jun 05, 2008 at 02:54 PM



Jun 05, 2008 at 02:54 PM
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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Leon:

Were your flower shots with the lens wide open?



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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


Nikkor SC Auto 55/1.2 on 5D wide open

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/2553067297_c0aeae07b2_b.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/2553896274_79e176e3bc_b.jpg


Edited on Jun 05, 2008 at 03:12 PM



Jun 05, 2008 at 03:10 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


The Nikkor is looking pretty good. The bokeh is very good and very untypical of the other Nikon 50mm lenses.


Jun 05, 2008 at 03:13 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


robsteve wrote:
Leon:

Were your flower shots with the lens wide open?


yes flower shots except the last one (f2.8) were wide open (f1.2)

If I stopped down to f2 or f2.8 you wouldn't see the defined bokeh rings induced by highlights in BG. But since this thread is about "fast", max aperture is a given.


Edited on Jun 05, 2008 at 03:16 PM



Jun 05, 2008 at 03:15 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


OK, I know this one is huge, but it really shows, IMO, what the 58/1.2 Rokkor is capable of.

I've never seen this sort of sharpness on an ultra-fast lens wide open. This particular copy of the Rokkor does not have as much of an issue with the rings on the wide-open highlights as I have seen on other copies.

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/test_shots/img_9659.jpg



Jun 05, 2008 at 05:33 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


A smaller version:

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/bokeh/img_9659.jpg



Jun 05, 2008 at 05:40 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


...and when the background is chosen appropriately:

(wide open on 20D)

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/test_shots/img_6823.jpg

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/test_shots/img_6832.jpg

Edited on Jun 05, 2008 at 05:44 PM



Jun 05, 2008 at 05:43 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


...it can deal fairly well with busy backgrounds, like the lattice and fence boards here, wide open on the 5D:

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/focus/img_8189.jpg

...and of course it certainly continues to bring the resolution:

http://www.cogitech.ca/photos/Rokkor/focus/img_8189_1.jpg



Jun 05, 2008 at 05:48 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


What type of sharpening are you using for your files?


Jun 05, 2008 at 05:48 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


robsteve wrote:
What type of sharpening are you using for your files?


Some standard Bibble sharpening, typically about 150 on the 400 scale, plus some of Sean Puckett's "Sharpie" plugin, which is a local contrast enhancer (like the "clarity" slider in one of the "other" apps), not a "sharpener" per se. The two work well together.

But, as you know, it is impossible to sharpen detail that is not there.

I'm still blown away by the subtle details and tones in my daughter's skin. IMO, this is truly remarkable for an f1.2 lens wide open. I could do a 20x30 with this file, no problem.

Edited by cogitech on Jun 05, 2008 at 12:57 PM GMT


Edited on Jun 05, 2008 at 05:57 PM



Jun 05, 2008 at 05:52 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Really fast 50 Bokeh


cogitech wrote:
Some standard Bibble sharpening, typically about 150 on the 400 scale, plus some of Sean Puckett's "Sharpie" plugin, which is a local contrast enhancer, not a "sharpener" per se. The two work well together.


I was noticing some odd things with the dog's fur and in one of your earlier posts, your daughters hair. Probably from the local contrast.

I am just using the Lightroom conversion and smart sharpening at .4 pixels and 150%.

Some of the harsh edges in the bokeh of some of the samples may be from using a local contrast action. Though your last few samples do have better Bokeh than Leon's samples.

Robert


Edited on Jun 05, 2008 at 05:58 PM



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