p.3 #1 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
Barry Pehlman wrote:
No, Big Blue, it is still inappropriate even though you try to make it just about a camera bag. If you need others to pick out a camera bag for you that's one thing, but to qualify a bag or, as eventually discussed here, a system to conceal a deadly weapon it's a totally different topic. It's one of those things you should figure out for yourself, or at least Google it. The reason you are getting some negative feedback is because it involves an alternative use for a camera bag - essentially gun concealment and it's posted on a camera forum. ...Show more →
Using that logic would take out a good bit of the very interesting discussions in this forum. Following your logic would mean the posts discussing how to retrofit a perfectly good backpack NOT made for photographic equipment into a pack for hiking with photo equipment would be inappropriate. I mean, it's a hiking pack and has nothing to do with photography. Thou shalt not mix.
And those going on trips and looking for travel and site suggestions must be pretty tough to read too. That's travel and has nothing to do with actually using your equipment, it is just about how to get there...so these must be banned as well.
Please, get over your fear or just simply skip the topic.
p.3 #2 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
i usually dont carry the concealed with the camera stuff. its left in the car. but some instances, the glock 36 fits easily where my 2nd body would go in any of my bags
p.3 #3 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
Mbree wrote: Using that logic would take out a good bit of the very interesting discussions in this forum. Following your logic would mean the posts discussing how to retrofit a perfectly good backpack NOT made for photographic equipment into a pack for hiking with photo equipment would be inappropriate. I mean, it's a hiking pack and has nothing to do with photography. Thou shalt not mix.
I didn't say the post wasn't interesting, just not the right place to discuss weapon concealment. And using your logic we might as well talk about retrofitting a B&H camera box into a cardboard gun holster. Maybe Paladin Press has a better forum, or book on camera case gun concealment.
p.3 #4 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
The post seems valid to me. I appreciate the information. There have been relatively few negatives, btw. And there have been a number posts by photogs who carry.
In the larger city nearby me, there are around 1.2 murders per day some for things as trivial as a pedal dirt bike and $50 seen withdrawn from an ATM. So you can believe that 7 to 11k $ worth of gear would make a lucrative target. Safety is an issue.
So protection is certainly a good idea. I would bet that there are a good number of photographers out there who are concerned about their safety at different times and in certain locations. A discussion like this should not be prohibitted or interfered with. Rather we should be openly discussing the issues faced and viable solutions.
I would note that one should keep any weapon on your body and not in a camera bag which might be set down. You do not want a weapon to be out of your total control at any time. So a vest with an inside holster and a tummy pouch seem to be two viable carry means.
p.3 #5 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
Hi,
As a CCL holder in two states, and long time outdoor photographer, perhaps I could enter this with a moderating opinion, in several parts.
1. I HIGHLY recommend you take a course in the use of deadly force, or pay a couple hours of consulting time to a criminal lawyer for specific advice on this issue. It appears that you are willing to engage in the use of deadly force over the retention of a moderate value of personal property. To my knowledge, no state that allows (either with or without a license) personal carry of firearms allows you to use that firearm or any form of deadly force to retain or protect personal property. The general (and simplified) summary of the law in most states is that only when you can demonstrate fear of bodily harm to you or a person with you can you engage in deadly force. Failure to fully understand the limits and constraints of your state's criminal statutes (as well as those of the states you may visit) could easily land you serious legal trouble (both very expensive and carrying the potential for prison time).
2. From a personal standpoint, If I felt there was a need for same, I would always propose carrying a small personal weapon on my body completely seperate from my photo gear (or any other gear I might have). This would allow me to defend myself without encumbrance or delay from messing with my gear. This is a stress-management scenario and decision, not one of convenience. Unless you practice accessing your firearm in highly stressed situations (ala USPSA or IDPA, and I am deliberately not spelling out the acronyms, if you don't know what they are, you should, so look them up if you are going to carry a firearm), you will never be able to get your hands on it when you really need it to protect yourself -- meaning your firearm and actions at the time will become a greater danger to your well-being than would otherwise be the case (e.g., drop the gear and RUN scenario).
3. For the naysayers, over the last 32 years I have often done photo work in the U.S. where I was not comfortable without a firearm on my person (Southern Arizona, Big Bend country of Texas and points along the southern boundary, the New Mexico bootheel and border territory), to name a few. The fact that outstanding photo opportunities came mingled with potential threats to my person did not and do not mean that I should give up photography in those areas. It simply meant that I should take appropriate measures to safeguard my life while I was on independent trips and hikes.
p.3 #7 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
I second that. Thank you Mr. Home. The discussion was becoming more Death Wish-like. I would hate to see someone overstep his bounds to protect his equipment and end up shooting a kid, self-defense or not. For me the best hidden weapon is insurance.
p.3 #8 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
My gun isn't there to protect my camera or my gear. It is there to protect me and/or my loved ones.
My camera and gear is insured against damage, theft, etc... If you want it, take it.
You won't catch me looking for trouble or going into areas where I might be in harms way (intenionally anyway).
Choosing to get a permit, and carry a concealed handgun carries a HUGE responsibility. It requires maturity, ethics, common sense, and above all TRAINING.
Col. Jeff Cooper (rip) had a great quote.
“Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.”
p.3 #9 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
Untill now I only carried a gun when I went out in the woods when I knew I had a chance of coming across something that may want to eat me. I live in Ottawa in Canada but travel up pretty far north into the boonies at times. I had never really thought of carrying protection while in the city though. Not a day or two after I first commented on this thread though a co-worker of mine was jumped and robbed by a group of thugs at 11pm on Rideau St, which for those of you not from the area is one of the two "main" streets in Ottawa, in fact he was jumped not 30 seconds away from the parliament buildings in a well lit and at 11pm still well populated area. This is actually an area I've been many times with all my gear on me with not the slightest fear of being assaulted.
I'm seriously considering carrying something to protect myself. These guys jumped and beat up my friend first.. stole his stuff after.. he wasn't even given the "Your money or your life" chance.. he just got the crap kicked out of him. Since I'm in Canada a gun is out.. I dont think I'd want to carry one anyway.. I don't have anything against them obviously, but I'm used to shooting things I plan to eat, I'm afraid I'd hesitate pointing a gun at a person and then having a gun on me would be a liability not a help. I've got a collapsible baton though and I don't really have a problem whacking some one who plans to do the same to me. Any canucks know the legality of collapsible baton's in canada? I picked it up a while ago for camping.. it's suprisingly multipurpose, hammer, pry bar, poking things you dont want to touch but I've never carried it in an urban area.
p.3 #11 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
SmegHead wrote:
... These guys jumped and beat up my friend first.. stole his stuff after.. he wasn't even given the "Your money or your life" chance.. he just got the crap kicked out of him. ...
Sounds like if he had been carrying, those guys would now be running around with a gun.
p.3 #13 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
SmegHead wrote:
I'm seriously considering carrying something to protect myself. These guys jumped and beat up my friend first.. stole his stuff after.. he wasn't even given the "Your money or your life" chance.. he just got the crap kicked out of him. Since I'm in Canada a gun is out.. I dont think I'd want to carry one anyway.. I don't have anything against them obviously, but I'm used to shooting things I plan to eat, I'm afraid I'd hesitate pointing a gun at a person and then having a gun on me would be a liability not a help. I've got a collapsible baton though and I don't really have a problem whacking some one who plans to do the same to me. Any canucks know the legality of collapsible baton's in canada? I picked it up a while ago for camping.. it's suprisingly multipurpose, hammer, pry bar, poking things you dont want to touch but I've never carried it in an urban area....Show more →
Why not just use pepper spray? (I'd go for the "bear-type" spray. ) I suspect it's illegal to pepper spray people but it that situation who cares about the recipients? And if the cops stop you and ask about why you're carrying it, you just tell them it was recently purchased and you're just transporting it home.
p.3 #14 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
Great thread...great discussions.
I didn't see anybody mention that they have actually been placing the "bad guys" in 8x8 cells for 15+ years, as well as doing weddings and other photography on the side, so I thought I might chime in. There are a LOT of people out there, who have a bone to pick, and I can't remember them all.
My signature line, and signature phrase "Keep Shooting", kills two birds with one stone! No pun intended.
As for the OP, I would get a fanny pack, there are many now that don't look like the typical "concealed carry" packs. Or, depending on the weather in your region, a shoulder rig to carry under your shirt or jacket might work just as well.
p.3 #16 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
Nill Toulme wrote:
Heh... you're obviously an optimist. ;-) I meant they'd now be running around with his gun.
Yes I am optimistic. Most bad guys are not brave enough to disarm one with the gun, most of the time they'II run. If I try to rob you and I see you reach for your gun I'll run and go find another easier victim. And let say if the bad guy disarmed you and took your gun, then you're not well trained to handle your own firearm.
I believe self protection is a god giving right, not privilege approved by your government. Sometime you just can't wait for the police to be there when your life is threaten.
p.3 #17 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
What percentage of the people with carry permits in the U.S. would you estimate are well trained to handle their firearms under the circumstances you describe?
p.3 #18 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
carlsbadbum wrote:
Yes I am optimistic. Most bad guys are not brave enough to disarm one with the gun, most of the time they'II run. If I try to rob you and I see you reach for your gun I'll run and go find another easier victim. And let say if the bad guy disarmed you and took your gun, then you're not well trained to handle your own firearm.
I believe self protection is a god giving right, not privilege approved by your government. Sometime you just can't wait for the police to be there when your life is threaten.
I don't think god was in that discussion about using guns? Maybe one of his apostles, Judas, carried out the orders?
p.3 #19 · Bag for Camera & Gun - Wait, hear me out!
Nill Toulme wrote:
What percentage of the people with carry permits in the U.S. would you estimate are well trained to handle their firearms under the circumstances you describe?
About the same amount the DMV issue license to people that can't drive. Do you worry about those idiots that drive next to you? May be not, so why worry about the not so trained permit holder.
This is not the OP wanted, I'm going end this debate and focus on photography. I was looking for how to switch my 580ex distance display from ft to m.
) I suspect it's illegal to pepper spray people but it that situation who cares about the recipients? And if the cops stop you and ask about why you're carrying it, you just tell them it was recently purchased and you're just transporting it home.