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p.2 #1 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

hyperion wrote: Why are you surprised by that? Do you really think people buy the D3 "just" for image quality?

No, I don't; in fact, in the first paragraph at the top of this thread I wrote, "there's a lot more to a camera than IQ (e.g., speed, features, build quality, ergos, weatherproofing), and at high ISOs the D3 clearly pulls away from the 5D."

(Sigh.) Too many people post without reading....

Apr 21, 2008 at 08:58 AM

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bobbytan wrote:
Huh? I would think that IQ is more important than feature set. To me, the 5D images have better color balance. The images are cleaner and brighter than either the D3 or D300.

I have seen a lot of washed-out-looking images from the D3-- I have begun calling this the "D3 looK". I am unsure whether this is due to JPEG shooting and in-camera processing, or something else.

Apr 21, 2008 at 09:16 AM

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edde wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:

This probably has something to do with the fact that DPReview never bothered to make a review for the 1D MK3, arguably the most advanced SLR of 2007.

Now if only they can sort out this AF thing

Apr 21, 2008 at 09:59 AM

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p.2 #4 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

jvarszegi wrote:
bobbytan wrote:
Huh? I would think that IQ is more important than feature set. To me, the 5D images have better color balance. The images are cleaner and brighter than either the D3 or D300.

I have seen a lot of washed-out-looking images from the D3-- I have begun calling this the "D3 looK". I am unsure whether this is due to JPEG shooting and in-camera processing, or something else.

Or the photographer!

Apr 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM

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p.2 #5 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

Let's remember that Nikon have only recently caught up to Canon i.q wise. It is interesting then all the fuss by some that we now need to jump ship to Nikon and that Canon are not up to scratch is really sily and emotive talk.
I think it is great that there are fantastic cameras from both camps to be had. If anything it's now the vast majotiy of photographers who are not up to the quality of the gear. That is many who get evangelical about features and pixels etc who can not yet create an image that a great photographer can get from a D60.
I think the future investment we need to be making is not just gear but in our education as photographers. Professional or otherwise. Of course most of us don't really believe we have that much to learn.
Then of course there is the horrible reality that another photographer may make some money by teaching us something.

Apr 21, 2008 at 11:15 AM

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p.2 #6 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

I have my 5D since December 2005 and I still love it.

It is nice to know the IQ of the 5D is still as good as the newest camera with a comparable sensor. Because IQ is the most important to me. Speed and weathersealing are not that important to me. Better dust protection and a few more AF points wider spread and all crosstype would be nice but I am not in a hurry to replace my 5D

Apr 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM

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p.2 #7 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

It all comes down to what tools works best for you.
The Nikon is trying to build a all-in-one D3.
Whereas Canon gives you two options:
FAST... 1DMKIII
Resolution... 1DsMKIII
Even in their lower lines,
FAST... 40D
Resolution... 5D

I have choosen:
FAST... 1DMKIII
Resolution... 5D

Apr 21, 2008 at 02:06 PM

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p.2 #8 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

I think my long-standing mantra regarding DPReview applies here: Look at the numbers, ignore the words.

DPReview has some useful stats in their reviews, and it's easy to be blinded by all the charts. But look past the numbers and their actual reviews are horrible.

Apr 21, 2008 at 02:36 PM

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nikt wrote:
jvarszegi wrote:
bobbytan wrote:
Huh? I would think that IQ is more important than feature set. To me, the 5D images have better color balance. The images are cleaner and brighter than either the D3 or D300.

I have seen a lot of washed-out-looking images from the D3-- I have begun calling this the "D3 looK". I am unsure whether this is due to JPEG shooting and in-camera processing, or something else.

Or the photographer!

Yes. In fact I now remember have seen one Italian photographer's comparison online, where he postprocessed low-ISO images similarly from the two cameras and they looked identical to me with the minor differences of less CA in the Nikon image and slightly different focus. If I had such a high-end camera I would not use the in-camera processing for much of my shooting... but I cannot afford such a camera anyway. I based my early opinion on seeing sports shots, which mostly seemed to be overexposed (blown highlights etc.) and this may have contributed to the color effects I was seeing. I suppose it is natural also for a completely new camera not to be used to fullest effect by excited new purchasers.

It seems to me that the reason the D3 is so compelling is that it is a complete package. The DPReview article minorly detracted from it by saying that for a sports shooter it offers a 5MP alternative to the 1D Mark III, which is a tad bit silly in my opinion. There's no other camera out there with its mix of capabilities. I am sure I would not need more than its capabilities unless I needed higher resolution for some reason, and a higher-res Nikon is apparently in the works.

Apr 21, 2008 at 02:48 PM

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p.2 #10 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

Where are you going to get such painstaking, thorough, and yes, objective reviews of cameras--free, too, if not Phil? Nobody is completely free of bias at all times, in every mood and in all weathers.

Love my 5D but sure do envy Nikon flash-sync.

Apr 21, 2008 at 05:09 PM

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p.2 #11 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

Nikon will incorporate both (speed and high resolution) in their D3 replacement, probably later this year, so you can get the best of both worlds in 1 body. Would be interesting to see how Canon responds.

s23chang wrote:
It all comes down to what tools works best for you.
The Nikon is trying to build a all-in-one D3.
Whereas Canon gives you two options:
FAST... 1DMKIII
Resolution... 1DsMKIII
Even in their lower lines,
FAST... 40D
Resolution... 5D

I have choosen:
FAST... 1DMKIII
Resolution... 5D

Edited on Apr 21, 2008 at 06:01 PM

Apr 21, 2008 at 06:00 PM

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p.2 #12 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

I have a RED sucker and yours is yellow

Apr 21, 2008 at 06:04 PM

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p.2 #13 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

edde wrote:
Yes, the 5D does spanketh the D3 in IQ. Nice to see

As a pro who used the 5D to the tune of 265,000 frames over two bodies and the D3 with 26,000 thus far, I can easily see in my day to day work, not testing, but real photography that the 5D clearly does not "Spanketh" the D3 in terms of image quality.

From ISO 100-400, they are about the same, really.
But from ISO 640 on up, the 5D is capable, but image quality goes to the D3 easily.

I still think the 5D is the camera that changed it all, but since I have always preferred Nikon, the decision to switch back with the D3 was a no brainer.

Edited on Apr 21, 2008 at 08:54 PM

Apr 21, 2008 at 08:53 PM

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p.2 #14 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

Some that I can see is caused by the creative lighting ~ remote flash control.

Apparently when the remote flash is hidden in daylight, it blows out.

jvarszegi wrote:I have seen a lot of washed-out-looking images from the D3-- I have begun calling this the "D3 looK". I am unsure whether this is due to JPEG shooting and in-camera processing, or something else.

Apr 21, 2008 at 11:56 PM

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p.2 #15 · dpreview: 5D IQ "very similar" to D3's

I find that the 5D has the best ISO400 (least noise) of any camera I have tested personally, or, seen sample pix of online. Other than the sensor collects dust often,
I love my 5D!

Apr 22, 2008 at 12:14 AM


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