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p.3 #1 · Can I be a wedding photographer?


David Hobby (of Strobist fame) said a really great thing once and it went something like "the greatest and hardest thing for me to learn was to separate myself from my photos"
In the context of the article he meant that he didnt take critique of his photos personally as a slight on who he was as a person.

He did ask a question that I am sure he knew would incite some heated responses.



Mar 29, 2008 at 10:34 PM
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mulder32 wrote:
OK, my bad--some of the people in here lack both basic people skills and writing skills--lol.



I would much rather lack writing skills than photo skills like some of the quoted.





Mar 30, 2008 at 08:28 AM
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Anytime we open up ourselves to worldwide critique, you can bet that not everyone will be patting us on the head telling us how great we are............


Mar 30, 2008 at 09:56 AM
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::Pats Hassy on the head:: You are great!




Mar 30, 2008 at 09:59 AM
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hassy501 wrote:
Anytime we open up ourselves to worldwide critique, you can bet that not everyone will be patting us on the head telling us how great we are............


I think a safe extension of that would be:

Any time we provide a critique in front of a worldwide audience, you can bet that not everyone will think that critique is honest, tactful or correct... or harsh enough, direct enough and to the point.



Mar 30, 2008 at 10:24 AM
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my kit is Canon 1Ds2 (then) 1Ds3 (now) + a set of finest L lenses. You cannot probably even afford all of it despite your succesful wedding photographer business.

Someone earlier mentioned I had got an FM spank. Oh well, I must have ... And I tell all others - there are nicer forums at FM to spend your leisure time at, so I'm not even subscribing to this thread anymore. What a bunch of unfriendly group here. Unbelievable. I'm glad I'm NOT a wedding photographer. I'm out of this place.

-mirek



Your kit is so professional!!! that is the bestest kit da world man!!! i wish I had the Mark 3!! Don't listen to that PhotoBD guy.. he doesn't knwo that the DS3 is what makes a professional photographer a professional!!! Only professional photographers use the DS3 and it definitely shows int eh photos!!!

Your pictures are excellent!! I love the composition and contrast!!! DESE ARE DA BOMB!!! I definitely can tell these pics were taking with the finest L Lenses.. YEA BABY!! L LENSES!! only real pros use L lenses and nothing else.. L lenses are DOPE y'all!! And the camera makes these pictures WAAAY nicer than a kit at walmart!! pshhh.. Everyone knows that the PRO Camera makes the best photos.

Dude.. you are awesome!! the photos are awesome!! your equipment is awesome!!! EYE OF THE TIGER MAN!!

YOU! HAVE! THE! EYE! OF! THE! TIGER!!!!!!




Mar 30, 2008 at 11:06 AM
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v-imaging wrote:
Your kit is so professional!!! that is the bestest kit da world man!!! i wish I had the Mark 3!! Don't listen to that PhotoBD guy.. he doesn't knwo that the DS3 is what makes a professional photographer a professional!!! Only professional photographers use the DS3 and it definitely shows int eh photos!!!

Your pictures are excellent!! I love the composition and contrast!!! DESE ARE DA BOMB!!! I definitely can tell these pics were taking with the finest L Lenses.. YEA BABY!! L LENSES!! only real pros use L lenses and nothing else.. L lenses are DOPE y'all!! And the camera
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hmmm gee. its people like you that help bring the community down...



Mar 30, 2008 at 01:25 PM
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It's also why it was his first post....

What is our little FM becoming....



Mar 30, 2008 at 02:44 PM
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Well, what no one mentioned, is that all of us professionals picked up a camera for the first time and angels cried!

My first images was so beautiful that you couldn't even look directly at it! It was like looking at an eclipse or directly at God! It was so far beyond most people's concept of reality. The reality kicked in and I realized I better do something or I would never make a dime!

I know that once success comes, it's easy to forget where we started. I'll be the first to admit, I was terrible until I really put some effort into it. Now, I travel to 3 or 4 conventions/trade shows/seminars a year, icluding WPPI, and am working on my certificates. Now, I KNOW i am not the best, but each day I strive to be better than the day before.

I have been into photography as far back as I can remember. I ran around my cousin's wedding when I was 12 with an EOS 630 (?) SLR and took about 10 rolls of film. Little did I know it would lead to where I am now, 16 years later.

Mirek, I admire you for posting. And even though you might not win print of the year with those particular shots, it does not mean you won't next year. I know my images were much worse when I first started, but my clients have no problem dropping $4,000 to $6,000 for my images now. This does not mean to me that you are not an amazing landscape, sports, wildlife, etc. photographer.

I dedicated every free moment to learning everything possible about photography. When I decided that I wanted to photograph weddings, I studied every single thing I could find. Hell, I still do. I am sorry to see how you were treated. There is a proper way to handle these types of questions, and this was probably not the best way! There is never a need here for being rude or putting another down.

I shoot with 5D's and a 1D Mark III. I'll have two 1Ds Mark III's by the end of summer. This has no reflection on me as a photographer. It just means I have a few extra dollars to spend on equipment. I might have a little better "keeper" ratio, but my photographer is no different because of my gear. Give me my old 20D's and I will still document any wedding beautifully.

For those of us that are professionals here, let that show through our attitudes and the way we treat others. I am damn proud of what I do and it's not something that just any one can do. We are becoming more respected as a whole as time goes on and I want to keep it that way. Degrading others, FOR ANY REASON, takes that respect away from us.

Just for the record, I will never put any of you down, for any reason. Please know that!

Jonathan Consiglio



Mar 30, 2008 at 03:23 PM
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Well said Jonathan!


Mar 30, 2008 at 03:28 PM
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I personally started shooting when I picked up my fathers Argus C-1 in grammar school that he brought back from the Korean war........i loved that camera and that was what started me in photography....
..... I always had a camera in my hands as a kid, shooting friends.......graduated to high school sports and yearbook, college newspaper news and sports, editor, then pursued it while pursuing another career.......learning as i went along.........mainly photographing people....models............
Shot my brothers wedding ...........then was formally trained by a cousin who had a wedding photography business......................from there it was just a natural progression into mediocrity and hopelessness.

Edited on Mar 30, 2008 at 03:51 PM



Mar 30, 2008 at 03:48 PM
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Sometimes I think I'm the only photographer that doesn't have some sort of warm-fuzzy "first picked up a camera when I was 5" story.

I didn't care about being a photographer until about 6 years ago. I was an adult... a stay-at-home mom... and didn't even know how to put a camera in manual mode, much less shoot that way.


Edited on Mar 30, 2008 at 04:17 PM



Mar 30, 2008 at 04:16 PM
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OMG....A "mom with a camera'.............


Mar 30, 2008 at 04:31 PM
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mirek wrote:
Ha! Good grief. What a different place to other forums. Maybe this is good - one can get tumbled a bit once in a while
How do I reply to all this? It's the same question as "how do you eat an elephant? - one piece at a time".

No, I'm not a wedding photographer. And no, I don't want to become one. I shoot landscapes, nature & wildlife, and people (candid portraits). None of these are to make money, anyway. I post a little bit in other forums every now and then. I've had a good degree of success, if
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I too have noticed that there seems to be a tougher crowd here in the wedding forum than in other gear related forums. My guess is that it is probably the Alpha Male syndrome, everyone wants to be top dog and will nip at the tail of any upcoming competitor!

As others have probably mentioned (sorry, I didn't get a chance to read every response), you can be anything you set your mind to, but it requires plenty of work and sacrafice. No one here was born a wedding photographer, so I have absolutely no respect for for people who bash newcomers. Everyone had to start somewhere. If you really want to be a wedding photographer, try to go in as a second shooter and try to go to several weddings and observe the photographer in action. Get as many books as you can on the subject as well. The only reason I would suggest posting images here in the wedding forum is if you want to develop very thick skin. No matter what you post here it will be torn to pieces!

On the flip side, I was trying to remember where I had seen those outfits before, and yes, it was Beauty and the Beast!

p.s., you will probably get more helpful advice here regarding the business aspect of wedding photography, not so much the artistic aspect of wedding photography.



Mar 30, 2008 at 07:48 PM
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+1 to That JC. There is a small clique of people on this forum that live to put people down and do not understand that you do not need to be nasty to give an honest opinion.

Thing is, its the same people again and again that do this, you know who you are. Im not talking about the people that give extenisve and well thought out replies (they have offered something). Im talking about the 5 second put downs.

Remember:
Every day a newb tries to succeed, they should wake up a slightly better photographer than the day before. They grow. The serious ones make it.

However, if you live your life by flattening peoples ego's then you should realise that when you wake up in the morning, you wont necessarily be a better photographer but you will still be a tool.

So come on, flame me, I really dont give a sh1t. Im not so insecure that I need to shaft people's ego's in order to get through the day. My life is about helping people and thats how I get my kicks.


J. Consiglio wrote:
For those of us that are professionals here, let that show through our attitudes and the way we treat others. I am damn proud of what I do and it's not something that just any one can do. We are becoming more respected as a whole as time goes on and I want to keep it that way. Degrading others, FOR ANY REASON, takes that respect away from us.

Just for the record, I will never put any of you down, for any reason. Please know that!

Jonathan Consiglio






Mar 30, 2008 at 08:56 PM
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OP (Mirek). When I started doing this I would constantly compare my pictures to those that were posted on FM. I would ask myself what it was about their shots that was so different to mine. How could mine get closer to theirs? I kept reading and practicing for about 2 years before I had the balls to PM the odd shot to people.

You need to do this. If you cant see a difference then I would say that you may not have an eye for this. Comparisons with people like unblinkable, ed pingol and a few others who generate consistently perfect exposures and colour balance, again and again. Your colour balance is way off.

Try be an assistant/gopher for someone. Dont try it on your own for a while though.

Edited on Mar 30, 2008 at 09:22 PM



Mar 30, 2008 at 09:12 PM
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Every one has to start someplace. Nothing wrong with that. But lately, a lot of folks seem to want to start half-way up the ladder rather than at the bottom. It's a trend in this industry that many have noticed. After you encounter a few brides that are in tears because some hack took such terrible photos at their wedding you start getting a bit touchy about the subject. People often set-up shop with no understanding of the serious nature of what we do. There are no "do overs." You get it right the first time or the client doesn't get their photos at all. Many new comers have no idea how to shoot in the wide variety of conditions presented to a wedding photographer. Others can't even properly compose an image. When you see something you take seriously and love to do being abused, taken too lightly and cast in a bad light over and over and over, you tend to get a little defensive.

The wedding photography board is a bit of a different animal than most others at FM. It is populated by pros as well as enthusiasts. That results in clashes. The idea of an amateur wedding photographer is a bit disturbing. It's kind of a major event, considered pretty important by most of us that have been married a time or two. I think you'll usually find that most "pros" are willing to provide some help and encouragement to those that display a good attitude and a genuine desire to learn. Unfortunately, being an open forum, we get trolls, hacks, and trouble makers mixed in with those that are sincere in their desire to learn.

The fact is this is an unregulated industry and anyone can claim to be a wedding photographer that wants to. Whether they really should is a totally different matter.




Mar 30, 2008 at 09:32 PM
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morganb4 wrote:
Remember:
Every day a newb tries to succeed, they should wake up a slightly better photographer than the day before. They grow. The serious ones make it.


If the OP was truly trying to succeed then he would have first THANKED those who offered critique. And maybe ask for additional suggestions for improvement. Instead he pointed out how rough we all are, and then reminded us that his photos have been exhibited internationally .. Tokyo & Sydney I think.

I can point to several other posts today by newer photographers where they asked for advice and will be better photographers tomorrow because of the advice given to them. It's all in how they ask and their reaction to critique.

Some come to learn & others just drop by looking for a free ego massage.



Mar 30, 2008 at 09:54 PM
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Yeah, I agree, some people dont make it easy but I believe that the OP has indeed thanked some posters...


Mar 30, 2008 at 09:56 PM
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In another thread you asked the question that I have not heard anyone ask but is quite relevant: "what motivates you to become a wedding photographer". I dont think that can be asked enough. So Mirek....what is you motivation?

PhotosByRDD wrote:
Every one has to start someplace. Nothing wrong with that. But lately, a lot of folks seem to want to start half-way up the ladder rather than at the bottom. It's a trend in this industry that many have noticed. After you encounter a few brides that are in tears because some hack took such terrible photos at their wedding you start getting a bit touchy about the subject. People often set-up shop with no understanding of the serious nature of what we do. There are no "do overs." You get it right the first time or the client doesn't
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