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p.3 #1 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

j.curtis wrote:
dennisyvette wrote:
Update..I was asked how much longer I would be in my paid for location this afternoon by a pro with no permit...I took her picture so I can report her since I didn't kow her name. Yvette

Yvette,

Are you going to start a surveillances of the park and start taking pictures of everyone with a camera that enters the park?

Take a breath. You're going to make quite the name for yourself in your home town.

No, I'm not going to be the police. I'm just upset that I take money from my brides to get permits and then have people walk to me and ask how long I'm going to be. It's not fair to my brides. In reality, how do I explain to them that I have to have a permit and choose location and then get there and someone else is shooting in our spot? The fact is, if the city would start writting tickets, word would get out. If they are not going to make everyone pay, then they need to stop forcing me and others to pay that live by the rules. Y

Mar 29, 2008 at 01:09 AM

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p.3 #2 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Take pride in yourself that you are doing the right thing.

Next time you get a permit I would complain that when you arrive to shoot you have other photographers there that are getting in your way.

Mar 29, 2008 at 01:12 AM

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p.3 #3 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

This forum is forever giving me insights into American life. Not to say the UK is better, just different...

Mar 29, 2008 at 01:39 AM

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Lord Fluff wrote:
This forum is forever giving me insights into American life. Not to say the UK is better, just different...

What is different? The permits, playing and not paying, or the fact we get mad about it? Just curious...Y

Mar 29, 2008 at 01:44 AM

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p.3 #5 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

What the other photographers are doing is just plain rude and unprofessional. If the city
requires a permit they should also take some steps to enforce it. Imagine getting the
permit and you arrive and someone is using the location you have reserved and you have
to tell the other photographer to move. Shooting a wedding is stressful enough without having to deal with other photographers who are too cheap to follow some simple basic
rules.

Jim

Mar 29, 2008 at 01:46 AM

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dennisyvette wrote:
Lord Fluff wrote:
This forum is forever giving me insights into American life. Not to say the UK is better, just different...

What is different? The permits, playing and not paying, or the fact we get mad about it? Just curious...Y

The permits mainly - and the mental picture of lots of WP's vying for the same spots in a park....just hard to imagine here. And also, we all pay so much in taxes that the idea of paying to use a park (for whatever reason) seems laughable - I'm payin' for them flower beds anyway, whether they are a fuzzy blob of bokeh in one of my shots or not....

Mar 29, 2008 at 02:27 AM

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p.3 #7 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

> Not to say the UK is better, just different...

yup - Americans wouldn't go for that whole ccTV thing ... yet. Not better, just different.

Mar 29, 2008 at 02:59 AM

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Wow. I thought America was a free country? needing a permit to shoot on a public park is a new one 2 me than again I live in Idaho...so what do I know?

Remember "West Side Story"

the lyric goes like this . . .

"Everything free in America -- for a small fee in America!"

Mar 29, 2008 at 03:22 AM

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p.3 #9 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Public only means its paid by the public.

Look at our politician's. They're PUBLIC service jobs, but many only care about themselves, not the public.

(half joking, don't want the thread to spiral out of control).

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Mar 29, 2008 at 03:30 AM

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p.3 #10 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

One too many vodkas ?

Edited on Mar 29, 2008 at 03:39 AM

Mar 29, 2008 at 03:39 AM

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p.3 #11 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Coming Soon!!!
After I process the images, my next thread will be>>>>>

P P P P P P P P & P
Pulled Permit Park's Pretty Pictures Photoshop Post Processed & Printed

Mar 29, 2008 at 03:57 AM

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p.3 #12 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Last weekend I was taking prewedding shots of a couple at a popular location where there were 3-4 other photogs and their wedding groups working at the same time. (We don't need permits in Sweden). Nobody asked anyone to move and there was room for everyone. A park must be larger. Why would people need to fight over the exact same spot

Mar 29, 2008 at 04:04 AM

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p.3 #13 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Watch it - these posts are getting way too political

Mar 29, 2008 at 05:28 AM

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tomKphoto wrote:
Watch it - these posts are getting way too political

Adds another P

Mar 29, 2008 at 05:35 AM

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p.3 #15 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

If you're referring to my post, I didn't mean anything political at all. I just thought that it wouldn't be so difficult to shoot (with the CAMERA) around the other people.

Good grief.

Mar 29, 2008 at 05:37 AM

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p.3 #16 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

This whole thing is going over the heads of many of you.

The reason you might pay to use a park is to keep the influx of people down. It's not necessarily a tax of any kind (although it's treated the same). It is a deterrent to cut down on the Uncle Bob's of the park.

With digital everyone has become a photographer. The governing bodies running these parks has to do something to keep the peace for families who want to go to the park and not get run over by rude dudes.

Mar 29, 2008 at 05:43 AM

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annayu wrote:
If you're referring to my post, I didn't mean anything political at all. I just thought that it wouldn't be so difficult to shoot (with the CAMERA) around the other people.

Good grief.

No worries, nobody was taking a shot at you

There is an extremely popular spot for bridal parties here in Portland OR. Permits are not required (yet), but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't soon.
On 7-7-7, my couple informed me they wanted to go up there to take some "informals", and I warned them it was bound to be a zoo that day. They still insisted.
Sure enough, I counted 12 different wedding parties and I know there must have been many more in areas I couldn't see. We ended up in an adjacent park and had a good time. So far, I have not had an unpleasant encounter with other photogs. People are ppretty low key and helpful here.
I think you are handling your situation well, Yvette.

Mar 29, 2008 at 05:49 AM

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p.3 #18 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

In a popular area, there are often a lot more potential users than appropriate spaces. Even if there is no fee, a reservation system could be in place. The picnic gazebos/shelters are on a reservation basis, the ball fields are on reservations or scheduled out in many cases, or you have hordes of people trying to use the same facilities.

Our parks also require that commercial enterprises have the appropriate business licenses, permits, etc., Doesn't really matter if they are supplying an inflatable bouncer, pushing an ice cream cart, whatever.

The agency that "requires" a reservation or permit and doesn't back it up for those following the rules is asking for chaos. And a professional "business" ought to be professional and follow the rules.

Calling the city and finding out how to get your "space" shouldn't be necessary but by all means call them before the next shoot to find out what they will do to support you.

Mar 31, 2008 at 03:35 AM

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p.3 #19 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Here in St. Louis, Forest Park (the largest urban park in the US - http://www.edwardcrim.com/forest_park/ ) is a favorite of photographers. I routinely see other pros there (I know many of them by name) and greet them. If there is a wait for a favorite spot, it is never very long. For the last 5 years (roughly the time since the Missouri Botanical Garden started charging pros $125 each time they enter) Forest Park has been crowded on Saturdays, but there are no fees there and people seem to like to see the wedding parties (sort of like monarch butterflies in Mexico http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0610_030610_monarchs.html ).

But don't forget that South Carolina is the place that started the war

Edward

http://www.edwardcrim.com

Mar 31, 2008 at 06:34 AM

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p.3 #20 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Shooting photos where there are several other weddings taking place is very very tacky.
$125 is very cheap. Those who pay must be glad the budget shooters have gone elsewhere.

Mar 31, 2008 at 06:49 AM

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p.3 #21 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Here in So Cal, the Claremont Colleges is a beautiful location for portraits and wedding parties. Beautiful buildings and grounds.

Photography was banned about 5 years ago due to bridal parties showing up, making a mockery of the grounds by leaving beer cans and trash on the grounds.
Now if someone tries to shoot on the grounds security will remove you......they have video cams everywhere now.

So sometimes it's not the photographers who ruin it.............

Mar 31, 2008 at 12:59 PM

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> If you're referring to my post, I didn't mean anything political at all. I just thought that it wouldn't be so difficult to shoot (with the CAMERA) around the other people.

sorry - it's a bounce back joke to some innocent threads that got deleted by FM a couple of weeks ago - he got snippy - said it was a wedding photography forum and leave the politics out - 2 of my posts got deleted (I don't remember what I said, something about looking for communist Chinese to shoot my weddings so I could be like WalMart and get the prices down and serve millions).

Now if any post talks about governments or lifestyle or anything that's not holding a camera at a wedding - it's too political

Mar 31, 2008 at 02:00 PM

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p.3 #23 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Lord Fluff wrote:
dennisyvette wrote:
Lord Fluff wrote:
This forum is forever giving me insights into American life. Not to say the UK is better, just different...

What is different? The permits, playing and not paying, or the fact we get mad about it? Just curious...Y

The permits mainly - and the mental picture of lots of WP's vying for the same spots in a park....just hard to imagine here. And also, we all pay so much in taxes that the idea of paying to use a park (for whatever reason) seems laughable - I'm payin' for them flower beds anyway, whether they are a fuzzy blob of bokeh in one of my shots or not....

Funny....I was once asked to show my permit in a park in London for trying to film a "stand-up" with London bridge in the background. I didn't have a permit so I was asked to leave.

Mar 31, 2008 at 02:23 PM

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tomKphoto wrote:
> If you're referring to my post, I didn't mean anything political at all. I just thought that it wouldn't be so difficult to shoot (with the CAMERA) around the other people.

sorry - it's a bounce back joke to some innocent threads that got deleted by FM a couple of weeks ago - he got snippy - said it was a wedding photography forum and leave the politics out - 2 of my posts got deleted (I don't remember what I said, something about looking for communist Chinese to shoot my weddings so I could be like WalMart and get the prices down and serve millions).

Now if any post talks about governments or lifestyle or anything that's not holding a camera at a wedding - it's too political

Perhaps a better delivery method would help your cause.

Edited on Mar 31, 2008 at 03:42 PM

Mar 31, 2008 at 03:42 PM

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p.3 #25 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Not much of a cause - sharing of ideas / viewpoints - FM's clamp down came out of nowhere - we won't see him again for 6 months at least

Mar 31, 2008 at 03:53 PM


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