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p.2 #1 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

hassy501 wrote:
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tomKphoto wrote:
Wow, what a easy way to create a distinctive portfolio - to shoot in the same location as everyone else. I particularly like the cattle call feeling it gives the clients.

An element of truth here.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !

hahahahahahahahahahaha..I'm rolling..

Mar 28, 2008 at 02:30 PM

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p.2 #2 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

I guess all photographers shoot in the exact same location, same exact spot at the same time of day and year, same cameras, lenses, settings, backgrounds and mindsets.......in fact, we must be all cloned robots......

Mar 28, 2008 at 02:33 PM

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p.2 #3 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

> Just because we use the same parks doesn't mean that my work looks like everyone else

Let me guess, you're also using a long lens with shallow DOF, just like everyone else - sounds like images a mother would love

> in fact, we must be all cloned robots

sorta what i was thinking

Edited by tomKphoto on Mar 28, 2008 at 08:38 AM GMT

Edited on Mar 28, 2008 at 02:38 PM

Mar 28, 2008 at 02:36 PM

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p.2 #4 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

hassy501 wrote:
I guess all photographers shoot in the exact same location, same exact spot at the same time of day and year, same cameras, lenses, settings, backgrounds and mindsets.......in fact, we must be all cloned robots......

Especially wedding photographers "OMG....you, like, all go to the same churches as your competitors and stuff....how unoriginal"

Mar 28, 2008 at 02:36 PM

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p.2 #5 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

TomK,

you make some good points. I have a couple of locations that HS Srs and brides love and yes it is an everybody goes there. The specific areas @ the location are where I can make some inroads. Knowing and using different lighting patterns and posing, angles and style also help. The equipment I use is also diff than most. I see most everybody using a 70-200 2.8 of some variety. I use just fixed focals, typically the 85 1.2 and 200 1.8 and sometimes the 180 macro for closeups of the eyes used in the design of the album. I believe these images have a diff look and feel than most of the masses...

Yes it can be frustrating to hear a bride say I want to go to the most used location...however, that to me is a bit of a challenge as I now have to be creative w/ in that area...

Tom

Mar 28, 2008 at 02:53 PM

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tomKphoto wrote:
> Just because we use the same parks doesn't mean that my work looks like everyone else

Let me guess, you're also using a long lens with shallow DOF, just like everyone else - sounds like images a mother would love

Do you aim to produce images that your clients dislike ?

Mar 28, 2008 at 02:57 PM

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p.2 #7 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

tomKphoto wrote:
> Just because we use the same parks doesn't mean that my work looks like everyone else

Let me guess, you're also using a long lens with shallow DOF, just like everyone else - sounds like images a mother would love

> in fact, we must be all cloned robots

sorta what i was thinking

Edited by tomKphoto on Mar 28, 2008 at 08:38 AM GMT

Thought so.........

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:07 PM

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p.2 #8 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

If you take my space, I will report you. Do you really want to make an appointment with a bride that spends all that money and take a chance of getting thrown out? Is that professional of you to do that to someone that has entrusted her memories to you? Professional also means obeying the rules rather you like them or not. Why don't you call the city where you are located and ask them why they have no commercial photography. I believe that commercial photography and portrait photography are different. I would call and just ask why...Y

"No more nice guy..."

Perfect title for this response too...

You are very nice to so many people...but you know when to stand up for yourself when you need to! I'm guilty of the same and get walked all over all the time. I struggle with this, but eventually someone is going to push my buttons enough to where I stand up for myself. I wish I could, and I'm sure you may too, wish that we could deal with it upfront fairly and not worry about what the other person is thinking so much...

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:09 PM

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p.2 #9 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

I've been trying to build my own private city that NO ONE can use but so far my funds have not met my ambitions.......

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:09 PM

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If you pay for the time and location, it's yours.....can multiple shooters book it at the same day and time ? Or is it reserved for one shooter only ?

It really boils my blood when the bride pays good cash to reserve a location and the management there is unwilling to reserve the space for just you and the bride for an hour. What is the fee for (I know they say its a fee for using the property)?

At the location I'm referring to, you pay $150 to use a room to change in!!!! Visitors are free to roam the area and you are told that you cannot interfere with visitors.

Kinda messed up, huh?

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Mar 28, 2008 at 03:13 PM

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p.2 #11 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Can I buy a permit to use your private city for a shoot next weekend?

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:15 PM

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p.2 #12 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

tomKphoto wrote:
Wow, what a easy way to create a distinctive portfolio - to shoot in the same location as everyone else. I particularly like the cattle call feeling it gives the clients.

Awesome!

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:19 PM

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Mar 28, 2008 at 03:21 PM

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p.2 #14 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Let me predict the future (or report on your present) - bookings are down, every soccer mom in my neighborhood bought a digital rebel and is now a wedding photographer - the recession is killing my business

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:25 PM

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tomKphoto wrote:
Let me predict the future (or report on your present) - bookings are down, every soccer mom in my neighborhood bought a digital rebel and is now a wedding photographer - the recession is killing my business

You are full of great lines Tom!

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:26 PM

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one time I had to shoot a large group - there were a great set of steps in front of a college building about 150 feet from where the ceremony was. Great, let's just move all the 100 people over to the steps. As soon as I started herding the cats into position, another WP showed up (in a caravan) wanting to shoot formals there (they drove across town) - then 20 minutes later, another WP showed up for a eSession. I felt horrible, like a hack. They were 'my' steps, my wedding was there - but I was too weak or lame to find something different. I will never shoot on those steps again.

Mar 28, 2008 at 03:41 PM

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p.2 #17 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Cathy Yount wrote:
Can I buy a permit to use your private city for a shoot next weekend?

It's not ready yet !!!!

Mar 28, 2008 at 04:18 PM

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p.2 #18 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

tomKphoto wrote:
one time I had to shoot a large group - there were a great set of steps in front of a college building about 150 feet from where the ceremony was. Great, let's just move all the 100 people over to the steps. As soon as I started herding the cats into position, another WP showed up (in a caravan) wanting to shoot formals there (they drove across town) - then 20 minutes later, another WP showed up for a eSession. I felt horrible, like a hack. They were 'my' steps, my wedding was there - but I was too weak or lame to find something different. I will never shoot on those steps again.

Maybe some therapy will cure that "step" fobia ? Sounds serious......

Mar 28, 2008 at 04:20 PM

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p.2 #19 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Update..I was asked how much longer I would be in my paid for location this afternoon by a pro with no permit...I took her picture so I can report her since I didn't kow her name. Yvette

Mar 29, 2008 at 12:19 AM

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p.2 #20 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

The last time I was in Greenville I stopped by a really cool peach stand. Thought it would be a good place for a portrait session of some kind.

Mar 29, 2008 at 12:21 AM

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p.2 #21 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

wow, gotta love Australia. We NEVER have to pay for a park or anything like that unless it is for commercial purposes (weddings arent really seen as commercial)

Mar 29, 2008 at 12:29 AM

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p.2 #22 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

tomKphoto wrote:
The last time I was in Greenville I stopped by a really cool peach stand. Thought it would be a good place for a portrait session of some kind.

I've visited your website. I bet you could make that bride look awesome in a peach stand. If you go up to Gaffney (about an hour away) there is actually a peach water tower. I'm sure that would make a really nice background too...Y

Mar 29, 2008 at 12:34 AM

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p.2 #23 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

Im sure everyone shoots there too..........

Mar 29, 2008 at 12:50 AM

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p.2 #24 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

dennisyvette wrote:
Update..I was asked how much longer I would be in my paid for location this afternoon by a pro with no permit...I took her picture so I can report her since I didn't kow her name. Yvette

Yvette,

Are you going to start a surveillances of the park and start taking pictures of everyone with a camera that enters the park?

Take a breath. You're going to make quite the name for yourself in your home town.

Mar 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM

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p.2 #25 · No more nice guy!!!2nd Update

On a serious note, why bother reporting the other person? Go to that extra stress and get a bad name for yourself by doing that. they did something wrong yes, it is hardly stealing a car or assault.
You are putting negative vibes out there by trying to punish this person, let karma take care of them

Mar 29, 2008 at 12:58 AM


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