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ANyone using a Drobo Backup?


I've been running my drobo for a couple months now and could not be happier. I'm also much more relaxed now.

Mar 29, 2008 at 02:34 AM
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winzphoto wrote:
Steve Ickes wrote:
I've never used the Drobo so cannot comment directly about its operation. However, personally I'd much rather prefer to use NAS-based solution rather than USB. For the past two years I've been using a nice little "box" from BitLeap which sits on my network.



Steve- What other NAS boxes did you look at when you purchased? I've been seriously considering one of these in order to access files when on the road. What is the total cost, including your monthly services?

Anyone else out there working with NAS?


PShiz- Does photoshelter accept Tif or RAW files? I have JPG's backed up on my smugmug account, but they don't accept any other file types.


It's been a few years since I went through the process but I pretty much looked at all disk-based systems, comparing price and feature set. For me BitLeap really did offer everything I needed at a price point I could afford. For instance Cisco offers the same type of product/service but their cost of offline storage is like 200% more than BitLeap's. I finally decided on BitLeap after meeting and talking with their president and other employees. They just really seemed to have the focus and plan that I was looking for. They have a great plan for future growth and lots of ideas for adding additional functionality to their system. It is incredibly flexible and extensible.

With regard to your other question....BitLeap's backup service is automated to check those file folders you've marked for backup and copy all files that have changed since the last backup. The one thing I really like though is that they maintain a revision history. Let's say you make some changes to one particular image and save it. It gets backed up. You decide to go back and make more changes a week later. It gets backed up again. But a week later your client decides they want the first revision but you've already made changes to that. With BitLeap, every single revision is saved as a separate file. You can go back and restore just that particular revision because every revision has been saved. Pretty sweet.

They offer several different products with different capacities and configurations. Additionally, for those who don't necessarily want to buy one more computer, they do offer the option to lease a backup appliance. If you lease, they will automatically replace your unit with an updated version at the time of contract renewal. Additionally, they automatically update all software on the unit as improvements are made. Beyond all the hardware and software, the strength of the company is that it is a Managed Service. They have a fulltime staff that constantly monitors backup jobs and is quick to respond to any issues they see but you may not even know about.


Mar 29, 2008 at 04:20 AM
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I don't know if this has been covered here but when purchasing the drives for your drobo, choose different drives by different manufacturers. I was speeching to a data recovery company and they said they get more then one drive going out on raid arrays quite often due to the fact that people buy from the same manufacture and sometimes lot #.... If a certain manufacture has a bad bearing or something then they go bad about the same time...
They said for reassurance just get different drives of the same size and speed... and for sure never the same lot #

Just my 2 cents..... I thought it made since....... If a lemon was produced on day one.... there could be other lemons on the same day...
Steve


Mar 29, 2008 at 11:38 PM
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Steven Cox wrote:
I don't know if this has been covered here but when purchasing the drives for your drobo, choose different drives by different manufacturers. I was speeching to a data recovery company and they said they get more then one drive going out on raid arrays quite often due to the fact that people buy from the same manufacture and sometimes lot #.... If a certain manufacture has a bad bearing or something then they go bad about the same time...
They said for reassurance just get different drives of the same size and speed... and for sure never the same lot #

Just my 2 cents..... I thought it made since....... If a lemon was produced on day one.... there could be other lemons on the same day...
Steve


I don't think it should matter that much, since the data on a raid unit should be backed up.

Mar 30, 2008 at 02:33 AM
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I am just relaying what was told to me by a company that does data recovery.... They said it happens more then you think and this was the solution they gave....

take it with a grain of salt

Mar 30, 2008 at 02:38 AM
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My point was not that a batch of hard disks (or anything else) may be bad or fail at the same time, but rather - you (in the general sense) should have backups, and using raid does NOT count. There are many other things that could result in data loss with a raid system - user error, software faults, hardware faults, electrical problems, theft/fire, and probably others as well. Reducing the probability of multiple disks failling at the same time is not going to do much with respect to overall risk.

Mar 30, 2008 at 05:43 AM
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You do have a point....

Mar 30, 2008 at 06:57 AM
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Hi there

Note I'm talking here BACKUP and not ling term archival --that's another topic. -Blu Ray @ 50GB per DVD *might* be a solution there --haven't really investigated that option yet.


Any decent motherboard these days will allow you to connect 7 (yes SEVEN) SATA drives (or even more) - none of which cost more than around 100 USD for as much as 500GB per disk.

RAID is available also on the motherboard if you need it.

Personally I do a 2 stage backup

1) from real working production dives back up to one of the available SATA drives.
2) Copy the SATA data to 2 different portable USB drives which are stored offline.

Cheap, easy, fast, no particular special configuration needed.

You can leave the SATA drives on the file server if you want to use networking.

These little portable USB drives such as WD passport can be up to 350 GB, and don't need a separate power supply. Incredibly portable as well if you want to connect to a physically different machine (not on your network).

That will give you 3.5 TB of removable portable storage really cheaply -- even the most avid shooter will take time to fill these up completely.

So if say you have 10 of these they won't occupy much space (in fact about the same as 10 DVD's in jewel cases , but less than 1/2 the width of the dvd's

Make sure as always with backups you have at any one time AT LEAST 2 separate copies, and preferably store one off site.

(Note - this works fine for small offices / studios / individual users. Large corporations obviously will use different stategies -- so the solution outlined above should be read in that context).


I also don't like the idea of online backup for 2 reasons -- one you don't have 100% total control of your own data and two the chances are that when you actually need to recover your data you might not have a working internet connection.

Corporate greed is also beginning to rear its ugly head --some ISP's which used to give you essentially "Unlimited download quota" per month are beginning to apply ever more restrictive "Fair Usage policies" - due to the increasing amount of video streaming people are using such as watching movies direct online rather than via DVD's etc.

Using online backup services - especially for largish data volumes might become hideously expensive in future.

Cheers

-K


Mar 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM

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