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TJ Asher
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p.1 #1 · PPA photo contest rights grab


I can't believe this one. The PPA is having a contest entry and as part of the process to submit an entry you have to agree to the following license:

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As a condition of entry I hereby license the images entered to Professional Photographers of America, Professional Photographer magazine, and PPA allied associations for advertising, display promotion, publication or other purposes in print, public displays, Web site, brochures or other uses as may be determined by PPA, its' staff or agents. A photo credit shall be granted for any such use.


This is a blatant blanket rights grab. This is ridiculous and I expect better from the professional association of which I am a member.

I have responded to the PPA about this and I encourage others to do so.

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Here's the link to see for yourself:
http://ppmag.com/cover-contest/enter-form.php

Edited on Mar 14, 2008 at 04:06 PM



Mar 14, 2008 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #2 · PPA photo contest rights grab


hmmm, sent an email asking about it. It does seem a bit extreme and counter to their purpose of shifting rights our way, not towards the end user.


Mar 14, 2008 at 04:15 PM
TJ Asher
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p.1 #3 · PPA photo contest rights grab


So did I.

I'll wait until my communication with them is completed before making any more comments.



Mar 14, 2008 at 05:04 PM
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p.1 #4 · PPA photo contest rights grab


I think the unidentified "other uses" is the big problem. The other listed uses could reasonably be connectable to a contest and display of the results.

It would be kind of awkward to have a contest (and uninteresting) to have the results limited to:

"The PPA 2008 Contest was one by Fred F. Lintstone." The picture is not available for viewing."



Mar 14, 2008 at 05:49 PM
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p.1 #5 · PPA photo contest rights grab


They told me the language is to allow for the needed publications for the winner. I was then told that its not so much the 'what' that was being asked for but the 'who' that was important. EG, "This is the PPA, so don't worry about it" in so many words.





Mar 14, 2008 at 05:58 PM
TJ Asher
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p.1 #6 · PPA photo contest rights grab


That's essentially the reply I got. I don't buy it one bit.

We're the PPA. You have nothing to worry about.

Right.

I don't have a problem with licensing for display in the mag or on the web, but this "other uses" stuff is a blatant rights grab.

I was told this language was actually toned down.

Edited on Mar 14, 2008 at 06:24 PM



Mar 14, 2008 at 06:23 PM
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p.1 #7 · PPA photo contest rights grab


I saw that too. What the heck is going on at the PPA?

We just went through worse grabbing with the Microsoft contest—which PPA sponsored—for the second time. PPA sponsors contest with massive rights grab (nearly the same lame initial terms that were in the first Microsoft contest, no less), ASMP steps in and gets the terms changed, PPA goes "Well gee how'd that slip by us?"

Now they're going only slightly less crazy with their own contest for their magazine.

Maybe the board's been secretly replaced by pod people while nobody's looking; I don't know.



Mar 14, 2008 at 06:28 PM
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p.1 #8 · PPA photo contest rights grab


No different from competition. To argue devil's advocate, "Where do you lose money? Where will PPA use not provide you some amount of benefit (this is the cover of a national magazine, after all)? Where do you lose the ability to further license the photograph to whomever else you want? In what venue will PPA's use conflict with yours?"

By the way, why not raise this issue in the ourppa.com forum rather than here?

Edited on Mar 14, 2008 at 06:30 PM



Mar 14, 2008 at 06:29 PM
TJ Asher
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p.1 #9 · PPA photo contest rights grab


It's the pro forum and this is a pro association.

I bet more ppa members visit here than the ppa forums.

Edited on Mar 14, 2008 at 08:23 PM



Mar 14, 2008 at 08:20 PM
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p.1 #10 · PPA photo contest rights grab


TJ Asher wrote:
It's the pro forum and this is a pro association.

I bet more ppa members visit here than the ppa forums.


However there are some PPA officers and the magazine editor who hang out there.



Mar 14, 2008 at 09:04 PM





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