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p.1 #1 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


I need some help getting my printer to understand my monitor. The printer is a new HP 9180 and the monitor is a Samsung 244T 24", which has just been calibrated with a new Eye1 monitor calabrator. I am printing from PhotoShop CS3 running on XP Pro( with 4 gigs of memory) on HP and Epson glossy paper. The printer consistantly prints much darker than the monitor shows.

I have tried every combination of color spaces and application control/printer control possible. The only pictures that print accurately are some jpegs that my son brought home from Bagdad.

I am shooting with a 1Ds MkII and have saved in ProPhoto RGB and Adobe 1998 RGB.

I hate to ask what is probably a stupid question, but I'm running out of ink, paper, and patience.

TIA and Merry Christmas to all,

STEEP LearningCurve

Dec 24, 2007 at 05:25 AM
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p.1 #2 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Not trying to be smart or anything here, but are you sure that the callibration of the monitor is accurate? Have you tried checking it a second time?

Given that the callibration is accurate, are you using the correct profiles for the paper that your using?

Dec 24, 2007 at 06:34 AM
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p.1 #3 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


I've been using my B9180 since March, and colors are always spot on to my monitor (Samsung 204B 20.1"); so have hope. After some initial testing, my best results came from using the HP PhotoSmart Pro print plug-in for Photoshop, and letting the printer do all color management by itself. Plus, that plug-in makes printing a one-dialog (sometimes a one-button) affair, and is easier than pie.

What procedure are you using to print? The HP plug-in? File --> Print? Try using the plug-in and letting the printer manage all color. And if you find that the plug-in won't install in CS3, look on the web for instructions (or let me know and I'll help you find them). It's very much doable, takes just a few minutes, and will save your soul.

Dec 24, 2007 at 08:52 AM
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p.1 #4 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Trekka273- I have done the re-calibration again and am using the correct profiles.

Rodolfo- I tried installing the plugin, but the software told me that it didn't see that I had an HP printer installed, when in fact I have two of them. The other is a HP 3390. The 9180 is desigignated as default printer, on this system.

I don't know how to install the plugin under these circumstances. All help is definenately appreciated.

Dec 24, 2007 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #5 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


The plug-in appears to have a broken installer that won't work well with CS3. I'm running very late right now, so all I can say is search the Internet for instructions on how to install that plug-in with CS3. Worked well for me.

If you don't find it easily, I'll be back in 3-4 hours and will find it myself, then post a link to it.

Dec 24, 2007 at 06:51 PM
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p.1 #6 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Thanks Rodolfo. I don't what to do if the software won't even see the printer. I do have the cd that came with the printer, and the plug-in is on it. If you can't advise me, then I'll have to wait for HP support to open up after the holidays, when ever that is for them.

Thanks again

Dec 24, 2007 at 11:55 PM
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p.1 #7 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


You might want to invest in a tutorial that covers the entire workflow process, from taking the photo to the printing process. This tutorial covers fine art printing, which is basically what the B9180 is all about:

http://luminous-landscape.com/videos/camera-print.shtml




Dec 25, 2007 at 01:06 AM
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p.1 #8 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Thanks for the link. As soon as I can get my printer working properly, I'll gladly buy this coarse. I do want to learn to print fine art.

Dec 25, 2007 at 03:40 AM
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p.1 #9 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


The plug-in isn't officially supported in CS3 but you should have no trouble printing from here. You'll want to have Photoshop manage color, select the paper profile that matches what you have in the printer, and when you select Print make sure that the driver has Application Managed as the color setting.

Dec 25, 2007 at 12:03 PM
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p.1 #10 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Thanks Jon. After an hour and a half on the phone with HP support in India that ended at 01:45(my time) the tech figured that out. He told me that the HP B9180 is no longer made, so they won't be porting the plug-in to CS3.

I have been getting passable prints, now, by selecting the printer managing the printing.

What I'm trying to do is print panoramas to get the workflow nailed down before I purchase a 44" printer. Of coarse the images measue 2 1/4 inches on letter size glossy, but i'm trying to figure out this process, or at least make as many mistakes as I can on a small scale, rather than at 24" or 44".

Dec 25, 2007 at 09:00 PM
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p.1 #11 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


I think you got more bum info from the tech person. The printer has not been discontinued.

If you're using printer managed, you only need to select the proper media from the driver to get the correct profile used

Dec 25, 2007 at 09:08 PM
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p.1 #12 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


I'm not very familiar with the HP printer plugins but here's my workflow for my Canon iPF6100 CS3 plugin:

Pre-printing: Perform a test print using Bill Atkin's test image w/ grey ramp to figure out which shade values are printable (eg. you may only see discernable shades from values 4 and up on the dark end and only up to 250 on the bright end).

Step 1: Get the image looking properly for general use (aka. looks good on your calibrated monitor)

Step 2: Uprez to your required printsize to 300dpi (most printer plugins accept 300dpi.

Step 3: For your specific printsize, sharpen using USM at 25% zoom to sharpen for your printer output

Step 4: Create a levels layer and shift the values to the values that are actually printable from the Bill Atkin's grey ramp

Step 5: Softproof in CS3 - view > Proof Setup > Custom then select the profile for your paper type, use perceptual rendering intent, check off blackpoint compensation and simulate paper color. You can save this profile and click OK. Then perform final toning using level layers for your paper. You may also need to adjust the colour balance to suite your paper color.

Step 6: Export using the CS3 plugin and make sure you select the profile for your paper in your printer plugin with perceptual rendering as well as all the other printer settings such as centering, resizing, etc... I normally make sure the printer does not resize since this defeats the purpose of sharpening for your specific output size. You're better off resizing in CS3 and sharpen for that size before you send it into the plugin.

Step 7: Hit print!

Note: These steps assume that both your monitor and printer profile - which is paper, printer, ink (for less consistent inksets on lower end printers), print driver, print resolution and print bit depth dependent - were created properly. In older generations of Epson printers such as the 2200, there are variability in the inkset so a new calibration profile must be made everytime you changed ink cartridges. This isn't a very big issue with the newer printers and I find, at least with the iPF6100, since it has a built in printer calibrator (not profiler), I can use stock profiles from Hahnemuhle with pretty good results.

Also, the test print using Bill Atkin's test image should be made with the profile you're using for your print. However, when you are creating a new profile, your test chart should not have any profile associated with it.

Workflow hint: It's usually a good idea to save versions of your print file after steps 1, 3 and 5. This way you can always go back and generate new versions for different print sizes and paper types.

Edited on Dec 26, 2007 at 05:05 AM


Dec 26, 2007 at 04:51 AM
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p.1 #13 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Thanks beewee, but my Photoshop seems to be incremently dying. In the last couple of days it has been crashing when using the FM sharpening plug-in on a large pano file. I don't know if the expiration of the free trial of PhotoKit sharpener had any thing to do with this behavior, but all this seems to have started at the same time. Now the FM plug-in does not have any effect on the image, and although the image looks good to me it won't print looking anything like the image on the monitor.

I tried the save for the web and devices, and when I saw the original image(in the 4 way window), it looked just like the printer output, but the jpeg choices looked fine. I know this is a clue as to whats going on, but I can't figure it out.

I am now completely dead in the water, and people are asking for prints of their kids, which I can not do at all.

I think I should just un-install CS3 and try again, but I don't know what that will do to the Adobe license permision. Woe is me! Any thoughts?

Dec 26, 2007 at 08:34 AM
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p.1 #14 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Going way back to basics, and I realize you are far into complicated stuff here, are you using genuine HP ink and paper?

Dec 27, 2007 at 02:18 AM
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p.1 #15 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Before uninstalling, be sure to deactivate Photoshop. You might try reseting the preferences file first - you'll have to reset things like color management, cursors, etc but this often fixes problems without reinstalling.

Are you familiar with softproofing? You can simulate what your image will look like on paper by selecting View > Proof Setup > Custom. From here, select the paper profile from Device to Simulate and make sure to check the Simulate Paper Color box. DO NOT check the Preserve CMYK Numbers box.

Dec 27, 2007 at 03:03 AM
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p.1 #16 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Wow! Soft Proofing showed exactly what the printer has been outputting. It's really surprising; the difference between my newly "calibrated" monitor and what the printer gives. I don't understand why this is. Can anyone explain whats going on here?

I could have bought another printer for all the ink and paper I've wasted in the last 4 days.

Sheesh!

Dec 27, 2007 at 09:19 PM
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p.1 #17 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Briefly, different paper and ink combinations will yield different results. Photo papers like gloss and luster tend to give you more saturated colors and better blacks while matte papers are more subdued. You can use the softproofing to make adjustments to contrast and saturation, or to decide if you are better off with a different paper choice.
If you pick up the Jan. issue of Shutterbug, I have a article in there about soft proofing.

Dec 28, 2007 at 03:15 AM
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p.1 #18 · Merry Christmas-Please Help


Will get that issue tomorrow, Jon.

Thanks again

Dec 28, 2007 at 08:13 AM

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