Well I don't see any such effects on my 1D Mark IIN, so I think it a bit rash to come to such a conclusion. I shoot lot of indoor shots with similar bright light sources with no such artifacts.
The "Real Ability" of 1D2N having this shadow effect is not my words. Its the statement/conclusion I got from Canon yesterday. They also said to me they will not be responsible if pix from the new 1D2N still have the shadow effect.
Can you show us the statement from Canon (copy text). It would be interesting to see who said/wrote this.
I know many users of the IIN, none of them have ever had this problem.
ivanshusky wrote:
Good to hear your 1D2N is free from this issue.
The "Real Ability" of 1D2N having this shadow effect is not my words. Its the statement/conclusion I got from Canon yesterday. They also said to me they will not be responsible if pix from the new 1D2N still have the shadow effect.
Can you show us the statement from Canon (copy text). It would be interesting to see who said/wrote this.
I know many users of the IIN, none of them have ever had this problem.
Sorry there is no text copy. They told me this over the phone....
As mentioned earlier in this thread. Not all 1D2N has this shadow thing but some copies do suffer from it and there is nothing Canon can/will do to fix it.
I get artifacts with the IIN when pushing the RAW conversion. Either to much "fill" or too much "recover".
I don't really takes shots like you do but you might get better results useing these RAW tips: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml
Bummer, man. Curious to see if you experience similar problems with the D3, since there's no guarantee it won't exhibit a similar (or as of yet unknown) issue.
Andrew J wrote:
I get artifacts with the IIN when pushing the RAW conversion. Either to much "fill" or too much "recover".
I don't really takes shots like you do but you might get better results useing these RAW tips: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml
Thanx Andrew for the link. Its really useful.
Sam Bennett wrote:
Bummer, man. Curious to see if you experience similar problems with the D3, since there's no guarantee it won't exhibit a similar (or as of yet unknown) issue.
I have already borrowed a D3 from a friend and so far I have not seen any sign of the artifacts.
BTW, I picked up the new 1D2N from Canon today and it is a lot better than my old one.
I tested the new 1D2N at the same spot again with the borrowed D3. The shadows are still there with the new 1D2N, just not as visible. Took a couple of similiar shots with the D3 and no shadows noticed.
I am going to sell my 2 1D2Ns and the 1D3 this weekend. I have never thought I would have to consider Nikon after 30 years of Canon.
Sam Bennett wrote:
Huh, interesting. Sorry to hear it, Ivan. Hope the D3 works out for you - looks like a very nice camra.
Thanx. D3 sure looks good. I have already sold all my 1D series bodies and got 2 D3s yesterday. Dont plan to keep the D3s for too long though. Thinking to get rid of them soon after the Olymic next year. After all, I am still mostly Canon.
Its just too sad both 1D2N and 1D3 are having problems of its own.
I'm kind of like you. Before my Canon bodies were giving me problems, when people used to speak the word "Nikon" I used to tell them "shhh dont talk"
Now I am seriously considering switching over, which really is horrible and I feel like a traitor.
I'm just waiting for a friend to pick up a D3 so I can test it out and potentially steal it
Josh Bustos wrote:
I'm kind of like you. Before my Canon bodies were giving me problems, when people used to speak the word "Nikon" I used to tell them "shhh dont talk"
Now I am seriously considering switching over, which really is horrible and I feel like a traitor.
I'm just waiting for a friend to pick up a D3 so I can test it out and potentially steal it
Yes, indeed. It is just sad. I am really disappointed by Canon these days.
I bought all the 1D3 and 2 1D2Ns together about 5 months ago. I expected some level of problems from 1D3 but not 1D2N though.
Did not even jump ship when Canon switched from FD to EF. The "Real Ability of 1D2N" statement did it.
I haven't really tested to see if I have this shadow issue or not. But since I haven't noticed I'm sure I don't. I have really bad banding across the first picture of every burst at ISOs higher than 400. I only have 4000 shots on it, but no original invoice. So I'm waiting til I get my 5D back then I am going to see what Canon will do for me. Worst comes to worst, Canon is gone and they will be losing all of my business.
That is interesting. It sure isn't blooming or moire in any definitions of which I'm aware. If that's a reflection issue, it's darn interesting one that causes a negative. I believe it's a post capture, in camera, processing issue. The one post on analog compensator circuitry going wonkers is interesting, but if that were the case I would not expect the spatial displacement of the shadows, and I would expect less consistency with the varied backgrounds. A compensator saturating doesn't act like that. My best guess is a digital filter "flaw" in the sensor readout.
My question is, as it is hard to tell from these low res screen shots, and all these mysterious shadows seem to be in details near the limit of the 35mm format, do these "defects" really stand out in large prints? I know that once you see them, you see them quickly, and it is not nice to see digital artifacts in your photos, but does anyone buying the pictures actually care? Are you seeing this, for instance affecting a main subject athlete in a brightly front lit shiny white uniform shot against a dark background?
It would be really interesting to know if the same model bodies that don't exhibit the effect have different firmware. (I.E.: is it caused by hard circuitry in the Digic, or is it due to parameters loaded into it by the firmware?)
christo™ wrote:
That is best guess is a digital filter "flaw" in the sensor readout.
Thank you very much christo. Excellent analysis. Flaw digital filter is also what engineers from Canon suspect. They would not call it a "flaw" though.
do these "defects" really stand out in large prints
Yup,in one shot the shadows are all over the pic. It is terrible.
It would be really interesting to know if the same model bodies that don't exhibit the effect have different firmware. (I.E.: is it caused by hard circuitry in the Digic, or is it due to parameters loaded into it by the firmware?)
I did not have the chance to try that. Since my 1D2Ns were bought brand new 5 months ago. They came with the latest firmware. I think maybe the last batch of 1D2Ns are more likely to have this issue.
What was the date of manufacture code (in the battery compartment). It does not follow that they are 5 months old just because you purchased them 5 months ago.
GeneO wrote:
What was the date of manufacture code (in the battery compartment). It does not follow that they are 5 months old just because you purchased them 5 months ago.
Gene
Sorry Gene, there is no way I can check the date of manufacture code. I do not have 1D2N any more.
