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p.1 #1 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm

For the tripod question, what is the best tripod to get under 100 or as cheap as possible on a budget and need a very good strong/steady tripod.

Also for the lens, I mostly want to get into shooting mostly potraits/model/people/car/events and a little sports. What is the best all around lens choice out of those two or any good L series lens you can recommand? LMK guys need as much help so I wont regret.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 06:03 AM
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p.1 #2 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


Your budget is pushing reality in regard to your requirements.

The gold standard around these here parts, in your price range would be either the more expensive 3021BPro w/488RC2 ballhead or a smaller, less stable, Bogen / Manfrotto 190XWNB Wilderness Tripod with the same 488RC2 ballhead, of course.

Hope the above gets you started as others weigh in with their recommendations.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 12:42 PM
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As far as the tripods im no expert I shoot handheld but I will tell you your prob not gonna get a strong/steady tripod for under $100. For your tripod budget I would save money and up that to a $350 budget. You dont want to be buying a tripod twice.

Now for the lens, since you have portraits, model, people, and a little sports I would say you will probably get more use out of the 24-70 2.8L. Its alot faster lens then the 17-40 f4 and in my opinion alot sharper. The 24-70 is the sharpest lens Ive ever used. Its great for portraiture, if your close you can use it for sports (although a 70-200 would be a better choice), but its a great all around lens. I used to rent it many times (and now mine is finally on its way

The 17-40 is a wide angle which is always nice to have but since you have more people listed then anything I would stay away as a first purchase since wide angles can give a distorted look to facial features.

A good thing to do would go to some place like rentglass.com and rent each one for a week. See which one you like better. They rent for really cheap and its better then buying the wrong lens.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 01:06 PM
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p.1 #4 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


your profile is rather devoid of info on your equipment status. without the camera body and/or other info all the suggestions though in the ball park can't be further refined.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 02:46 PM
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p.1 #5 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


thanks. my body would be 40D with the kit 28-135mm just starting out I will get use to it and sell it off and paid more for a 24-70MM. also what flash should i get would a 430 or 580 be good enough? Also is the battery grip necessary for starter? Does the name brand matter for it, seen alot of cheap one beside canon for super cheap.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 02:55 PM
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p.1 #6 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


The battery grip is not necessary. What the battery grip does are three things:

1. Gives you an extra battery, for longer uninterrupted shooting times; more shots, IS usage, chimping of image info and more on camera flash use, between battery change-outs.

2. Gives you better balance, more weight to counter the lense weight.

3. Gives the body a cooler 1-Series pro look. As vain as this sounds, it does makes a difference in how folks perceive your professional persona or stature as you're about town getting shots.

"Wow! That's sure a big camera. You must be a pro." People are thoughtful and clear the way for you. Kinda weird when it happens but you get use to it.

As to the flash, I'd do a 580EX II for the primary flash for features, compatibility with E-TTL II and power; guide number

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Dec 14, 2007 at 03:23 PM
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p.1 #7 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


Go with the cheaper flash (or none for now) and put the savings into your tripod.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49 PM
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p.1 #8 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


what about the battery grip brand does it have to be canon or could i buy a after market one, does name brand matter? Like bge3 or could i buy a ebay one and it will work fine?

also, whats a good filter to buy for my 28-135 its a 72mm filter correct? does filter brand matter, are the ebay filter okay or what is a good name brand or where can i get one.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 04:47 PM
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p.1 #9 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


I myself would stay away from third party in the case of the battery grip due to issues surrounding build quality and fit.

As to filters, you might want to do a search on that question first. Then after reading a few of the most recent threads on the matter, being more informed, you'll be able to ask more focused questions in that regard.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 05:11 PM
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p.1 #10 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


I can't speak for the aftermarket battery grips. I have the Canon one for my XT and I don't particularly like it. I only use it when I'm shooting with flash to give better balance and I'll probably use in on vacation when I want to take alot of vertical shots. Otherwise I find it just adds weight to the camera and for my needs, I'm usually trying to reduce weight in my camera kit. I focus on landscapes and do alot of hiking with my gear so camera weight is probably a little more important for me than most.

Based on what you are saying at the top of the thread, you want to focus on cars, people/portraiture/events/some sports.

These things don't have a strong requirement for a tripod. Perhaps your money would be better spent going towards a better flash or a second one and a bit of lighting gear like an umbrella and light stand. I'd recommend that you take some time and read the strobist blog, especially the introduction sections.

$100 doesn't give you enough budget to buy a high quality tripod. You'll likely find that you need a much better tripod than the 100 dollar model a little further down the road and that money will have been wasted.

I agree that the Manfrotto 3021 or 055 (they are the same) is a good baseline for a tripod and well over your $100 budget without a head. I personally chose a nice three way panning head with my first good tripod and I still think there are some significant advantages to this type of head, but I eventually moved to a ballhead because the weight is lower and I take my tripod hiking quite often. The three way panning heads can be a bit cheaper than the ballheads. For $100 more than the Manfrotto, you can get into some of the mid range carbon fiber tripods like Manfrotto, Giottos, Slik or Velbon. Carbon has better vibration dampening capabilities, its usually stronger and lighter than aluminum.

As far as flash is concerned, the 430EX and both 580EX models are E-TTL II compatible. The 430EX power is pretty close to the 580 and its a good starting point. But if you want to have off camera flash, you must get a 580EX, 580EXII or a ST-E2 to control the off camera flash (there are some other solutions too, but within the Canon flash line, this is how you have to do it). The ST-E2 is a specialty item. It isn't a flash, just an IR source for AF assist and a trigger for a remote flash. In this regard it doesn't matter whether you buy the 430EX first or second. You still have to buy a 580 to control it off camera. You can of course opt to buy two 580s as the 580 can be set to slave mode as well, but at roughly twice the cost of the 430, its an expensive way to get a slave.

Anyways, I think if I were you, I would step back and look at my priorities and then focus my purchase power in that direction.

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Dec 14, 2007 at 05:29 PM
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p.1 #11 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


Is the 420EX flash decent or good for starter?

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Dec 14, 2007 at 11:12 PM
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p.1 #12 · Tripod question / 17-40MM or EF 24-70mm


I would prefer the 430. The 420 didn't give you many options to adjust the setting on the flash. The 430 has a more complete interface.

Dec 14, 2007 at 11:26 PM

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