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p.2 #1 · Gitzo tripod CF Vibration Damping


agreed

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Nov 09, 2007 at 09:35 PM
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JohnJ80 wrote:
True, but CF is better and lighter than AL in all environments. The challenge is if the user can capitalize on the benefit.

What I'm saying is that I see the difference in images I shoot in actual practice of the 3504LS over the 1258. In other words, the actual usage parallels the controlled environment testing.

The rules of thumb hold.

1. Pick any two of cheap, light, stable - you can't have all three.
2. Use the heaviest and largest tripod that you are willing to carry.

J.


So, back to the initial question:
G2220 vs. GT2530EX

G2220 - Heavier > GT2530EX Lighter

G2220 - AL < GT2530EX CF


Still lost!


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Nov 10, 2007 at 06:08 PM
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The 2530EX is a lot more tripod than the 2220.

If you are interested in critical image sharpness, you might consider the 3540LS with one of the accessory columns for cantilevering it out to the side. That would be a LOT more tripod and would weigh less than the 2220.

J

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Nov 10, 2007 at 06:23 PM
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p.2 #4 · Gitzo tripod CF Vibration Damping


agreed on the GT2530EX

i would not want to loose the flexibility of that model design.

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Nov 10, 2007 at 06:48 PM
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p.2 #5 · Gitzo tripod CF Vibration Damping


I think I'm just going to order a 2530ex & do some simple testing myself and see if it makes sense to upgrade.

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Nov 10, 2007 at 08:18 PM
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I have both the 2220 EX and the 2530 EX. I've been using the 2220 EX for five years, and the 2530 EX for two months.

The 2220 EX is a poorly and cheaply made tripod in many regards. The leg-extension twist locks failed within a year, and the replacement parts (threaded sections that clip over the aluminum tubing) have needed to be replaced just about every year (not covered by warranty, according to Bogen Imaging USA), due to the use of a very poor quality plastic ( I seem to have fixed this problem with an industrial-grade contact adhesive). The angle locks, while holding up rather nicely, need to be adjusted frequently or the tripod will slowly sag under the weight of camera and lens (I don't use anything over 340mm, my heaviest gear is macro set-ups with a couple of heavy focusing rails).

The 2530 EX is altogether a different beast. The leg extension twist locks are much better built, without the cheap plastic bits (still lots of plastic, but it appears to be of much higher quality). I was disappointed to see the same cheap plastic used in the anti-rotation system, but this does not take the same wear-and-tear as the twist locks. The twist locks require less than 1/4 turn from full lock to full open, and very little force is required for a full lock.

The spider appears to be identical to that of the 2220 EX, as do the angle locks. If there's been any change here, I can't find it--based on a complete tear-down of the tripod to remove the grease and replace it with a dry lubricant.

The carbon material in the legs seems very well made. It has the feel of a high-end GF flyrod blank.

The difference in weight may seem small--until you've carried the 'pod a few dozen miles on a mountain hike.

Both the 'pods seem to dampen quickly, and, when anchored (I use a piece of parachute cord to anchor my pods to a rock or stake), are stable in the wind. I use both 'pods with either an Acratech AUB or Arca Swiss Z1.

Both also have a small amount of "sag" when using a long lens or high-mag macro set-up. I have learned to anticipate this and compensate, but it's irritating. I'm sure it has to do with the off-center column and the tilt-joint.

In both, the tilt-lock is not continuous but has detentes built into the joint, which gives the center column tilt an all-or-nothing effect that can be a nasty surprise when adjusting it with camera mounted. I intend to hack this problem sometime.

If you don't absolutely need the tilting center column, skip it. The infinitely adjustable leg angles, OTOH, are incredibly useful and I hate using my old Bogen 3021 because it lacks them. They're also much faster and easier to use with gloves on than Gitzo's usual angle locks that must be pulled out to unlock. The fact that the legs lock completely means it's very convenient to pick the 'pod up and move it fully set up.

Unfortunately, it seems that the wonderful angle locks only come on the tilt-column models. Too bad.

Another point in favor of the 2530 is height. At 5'6", I have to use about 7 inches of column extension to get the camera to eye-level on the 2220--something that will affect stability much more than the materials used in the 'pod. The 2530 is about 4 inches too tall for me to use with the legs fully extended and the camera level.

Here's a comparison of the heights:



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Good luck--Timm.

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Nov 11, 2007 at 12:18 AM
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p.2 #7 · Gitzo tripod CF Vibration Damping


Well, I guess that about nailed it.

J.

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Nov 11, 2007 at 04:06 AM
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p.2 #8 · Gitzo tripod CF Vibration Damping


Thanks for the feedback Timm! That saves me some time for my own testing.

Although it made me wonder if I have an updated version of G2220, because I've had mine for the past 2.5 years and and none of the parts have failed me yet except the rubber feet seem to unscrew themself from time to time(I used a tiny drop of super glue to prevent them from doing so, it's been great ever since). But all parts of the tripod from the legs to the screws & knobs feel very solid & high quality. I did not find the build quality of the AL version to be inferior when compared with the CF version side by side.

If the vibration damping effect between the CF & AL version are similar, I think I'll stick with my G2220 for now. I find the weight for a day's hiking with the tripod & all my lenses to be acceptable. thanks!

xun

Edited by shinew7911 on Nov 12, 2007 at 09:49 PM GMT

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Nov 12, 2007 at 12:22 AM
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I think the problems I've encountered may have been fixed in the newer 2220s. It seems that the folk that had the same problem were early adopters--and not all of those.

The super-glue is a fix for the easily-lost feet, but it's a bit permanent. I (and others) use plumber's Teflon thread-sealing tape wrapped around the threads to stop the feet from unscrewing. Four or five wraps do the trick nicely. BTW: If you ever do upgrade to the 25xx series, they don't have the removable rubber feet--over spikes, but the ones from your 2220 fit perfectly--saving another $30 if you want spikes (and you do if you shoot off of hard surfaces). Good luck getting that super-glue off (heat will do the trick, but expect the threaded plugs in the bottom of the legs to come out first)!

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Nov 12, 2007 at 07:11 PM
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p.2 #10 · Gitzo tripod CF Vibration Damping


great report Timm,

I acquired my G2220 second hand more than 3 years ago, so i'd bet that I had the outdated model.



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Nov 14, 2007 at 11:56 PM
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p.2 #11 · Gitzo tripod CF Vibration Damping


I called Gitzo's technical suppot yesterday & asked them specifically about AL/CF vibration damping. The representative said :
- CF version is 30% better at vibration damping than the AL version.
- weight has nothing to do with vibration damping, it's rigidity.

I guess in the end I'll still need to buy one myself to find out if the CF version will benefit my shots or not.

Nov 16, 2007 at 08:39 PM

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