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p.26 #1 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


I have noticed the 40D creates a MISC folder on the CF card. Why?


Sep 14, 2007 at 07:55 PM
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p.26 #2 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


The 40D is now shipping in Canada. I got home this evening to a pleasant surprise, a brand new camera shipped early from Henry's online.I'm upgrading from a 20D and I'm looking forward to something new.It's night here so I'm testing it indoors and I like it.My biggest surprise is that I really like te liveview, I thought this would be of least interest to me.I thought it would be jerky like a web cam but it is very smooth and clear.The viewfinder is noticably larger and brighter, I can't wait to see it during daylight.The larger lcd is very nice but it could be a little sharper and contrasty,maybe this is because of the dim lit rooms at night,I'll see tomorrow.The autofocus seems to be alot quicker and more accurate which is much welcomed.Anyway Canadians, Henry's said 85% of their pre-orders has arrived.


Sep 14, 2007 at 09:20 PM
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p.26 #3 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Fausto Gamito wrote:
A little example of the liveview power...
- no photoshop
- no tripod
- just hands, 40D and the EF-S 60mm Macro lens


Not criticizing the picture, but how is this in any way special, as in, could not be done with good old viewfinder? Maybe I am just missing something.



Sep 14, 2007 at 11:06 PM
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p.26 #4 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


faron wrote:
.Anyway Canadians, Henry's said 85% of their pre-orders has arrived.


And if not,there are a few shops that have them in stock...



Sep 14, 2007 at 11:10 PM
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p.26 #5 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Lovely picture, Fausto. And I agree, the LCD really makes a huge difference for manual focusing, especially with macro shots, although with my skill level I need to use a tripod .

I've read you can use the lcd to make adjustments to exposure; ie setting a focus point using the live histogram and fixing the exposure and then adjusting the focus wherever you want using the magnified image in the lcd, so I'm going to experiment with that technique also. This should be great for landscapes.



Sep 14, 2007 at 11:28 PM
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p.26 #6 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Great, GREAT portrait, Dan! Congrats on your purchase!


Willa



Sep 15, 2007 at 12:57 AM
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p.26 #7 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Picked up my new 40D yesterday from Henry's as well. Actually got the call Thursday morning. They weren't supposed to be arriving until about September 25, so it was a welcome surprise.

I am thrilled so far with my new camera. I always figured my 30D wasn't very sharp and now I know I was right. The 40D is bang on and I am relieved. Not to say that the 30 couldn't have been fixed, but I was just never positive something was wrong.

By the way, the price of the 30D is plummeting up here in the great white north. It is now $999.00 at Henry's with or without an 18-55 kit lens. That is a great deal!!



Sep 15, 2007 at 07:39 AM
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p.26 #8 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


I just received my 40D from Ritz (1299 + free ship) which seems average for the legit sites). My long suffering 20D is in the shop for a new shutter & PCB (150-200K exposures, easy) and a soccer tournament next weekend seemed a pretty good excuse to upgrade (!). I've been taking my time handling the camera, and taking crap exposures, so nothing I want to post now, but can offer comparisons to the 20D and a good friend's 30D. Right off the bat, it feels slightly chunkier in hand than the 20D, and a little less palm friendly, but that's a nit.

The auto focus is fast and effective and has more mode flexibility in the custom menus settings. There are some new manual=> auto settings that look like they will be useful in sports (what I do most). It couples and drives easily both my Canon and non-Canon EF and EF-S lenses, with and without the 1.4X and 2X teleconverters. The AF stop, lock and other functions work well.

Shutter sounds are similar to the other "D's", perhaps a shade quieter, but nothing to write home about. The slow and fast burst modes are new to me, though I doubt I'll have much need for the slow one. It's too soon to tell whether the difference between the rated 6.5 fps and 5 fps is real and noticeable. Sonically, the camera appears to wait a touch longer between the first and second shots, then blazes away from the 2nd and on. I'll have to keep an eye on that.

All my 20D accessories fit and work properly, which is nice. The flash bracket mount is unpainted, so it'll likely show less wear, and the 40D menu and display can control the 580EX flash.

The menus strike me as much more user friendly and far better organized and faster to use in the field. Of course the giant 3" LCD is quite a nice change from the tiny one on the 20D. The disadvantage is that all the buttons are moved to the bottom edge of the camera body. This will take getting used to as I have years of habits formed around the old camera. One really nice feature is the dedicated AF button. I like to disable the AF from the shutter, and it's nice to have a separate button for this (it controls the AF even with the shutter AF enabled).

The menus have more flexibility in customizing the camera for the way you use it, and you can register groups of settings for different purposes, including swapping functions for some buttons. Even so, the body will feel very familiar to those with other Canon bodies.

There is more in camera processing available with respect to noise abatement and highlight treatment. However all these have a penalty in terms of burst speed or shadow noise. I have not seen any noise issues with early shots, but haven't done any high ISO shots yet. I think I'm still likely to "go native" in the camera and use PS for post adjusting. There is a RAW plug in for CS3 for the 40D. The 40D also read earlier images on a CF card taken with my 20D and rendered them properly on the LCD.

The box comes with all the same stuff you're used to. I've never used the software from the 20D, and the disks for the 40D look like the same programs.

Live View is kind of interesting, but probably useful mainly for portraits (I don't do a lot of that) and perhaps landscapes. The manual recommends using a tripod for it. I agree as holding this body and a lens far enough away to use the LCD is a recipe for camera shake. LV does not support AF directly, though AF can be invoked by briefly interrupting LV. However, LV does offer 5X and 10X magnification functions for more precise focus on a specific point. LV does NOT make the 40D a suitable alternative for a true P&S camera.

Too early to tell if the Digic III and extra megapixels make a difference. That'll have to wait for next weekend. The sensor's new auto clean function works on start up and shut down and can be used manually as well. There also seems to be a "learning mode" optionally enabled, that teaches the camera where intractable dust spots are and allows it to remove those spots (by processing, not physically). I'm looking forward to this, as dust was a small, but irritating issue with the 20D. It'll be interesting to compare the images with my newly refreshed 20D.



Sep 15, 2007 at 10:21 AM
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p.26 #9 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Max Ackermann wrote:
Hi, brunobarolo, you have a valid point there. No idea why it won't choose the ISO for you in M Mode if set on AUTO. Maybe they think you would always set you ISO manually, too, and never use AUTO...


Hello Max,

I'm not sure either. Why would or should there be different ISO ranges for different shooting modes when set to AUTO ISO? Canon should do what Niknon has been doing. Which is to have one range apply to all shooting modes. Something Nikons do better IMHO.

And for every one else...

I read on a 40D thread on some forum. Not sure which one any more. Been visiting too many. That a 40D user had an issue when selecting a specific AF point. He took a picture of his beautiful young daughter by a tree. He wanted his daughter's face to be the main focal point I'm guessing. Chose a AF point. But his 40D ended up I think choosing the center AF point. Which ended up being the tree. So the tree was more in-focus than his daughter. Still a nice photo.

Have any of you new 40D owners had any issues selecting specific AF points?

Thanks!



Sep 16, 2007 at 12:30 AM
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p.26 #10 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Andrew Chase wrote:
Have any of you new 40D owners had any issues selecting specific AF points?


Not really. I use the back dial to select the AF point and so far, I had no issues. I had the camera miss tracking in Servo mode, but not beyond what I'd consider ok for this class camera. Heck, having any camera track my toddler daughter with the 50L at f1.2 must be a challenge



Sep 16, 2007 at 01:38 AM
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p.26 #11 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Funny you should say that Stan. I've just tried a 40D and it too failed at AI Servo tracking. Unlike you, I think it should have done better - my 20D did.

In one sequence I was aiming at a person walking across a park at a range of well over 50m. A few photos were in focus and then it drifted to the far background. The sensor was still on the person.

In another sequence I was aiming at a stationary subject, which was an information label card in a pot plant at a range of 2-3m. For several photos the focus was fine - within acceptable tolerance anyway - and then it drifted right off the card and eventually came back.

Both sequences were using a Tamron 180mm f/3.5 macro lens (very sharp) hand-held in continuous drive and AI Servo. I had the AF going for 1-2 seconds before actually shooting. It was a bright but overcast day, coolish weather.

To me the AF system is the greatest single improvement of the 40D over previous models and yet it has let me down. I'm not favourably impressed. It's back to the dealer for his commeants asap, but I'll try using other lenses and see how they behave. However, I fail to see why even a slow focusing lens would make the focus drift off target over a sequence of several shots, after it has already been on target.

- Alan



Sep 16, 2007 at 06:16 AM
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p.26 #12 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


I got my 40D yesterday as an upgrade for my 300D. Actually, I wanted to buy the 5D successor but to be honest I was sick of the waiting (and the limitations of the 300D). And when I saw a really good price (1086 EUR in Germany) I spontaneously decided to go for it. Here are my first impressions:

I bought a 8GB SanDisk Extreme III CF card for the camera and noticed a HUGE speed increase with this camera-card combination compared to the 300D. Everything happens instantaneous. Very nice! And over 600 RAW photos will fit on that card.

The new live view feature looks really interesting and I'm looking forward to try it with my tripod.

I was a bit surprised that exposure compensation must but enabled with the power on dial. There are the modes "Off", "On" and "/" which turns on exposure compensation. What's the point of that design decision? Who wants to use "On"? And by the way: I think I prefer the power on dial of the 300D.

I'm not so convinced about the LCD resolution. Okay, the 3 inches are really nice compared to the tiny display of the 300D but I think the dpi could be much better.

Regarding the viewfinder to be honest I didn't notice a big difference compared to the 300D.

Another little detail I've noticed is the photo review display. Of course I configured it to show a histogram because this is essential. But in this configuration the review photo becomes very small (a quarter of the 3" display). I think would prefer a full size review photo with a superimposed histogram.

Side note: Yesterday evening I've also experimented a little bit with DPP 3.1. The program got little better since the last time I've tried but I still think the GUI is sub-standard and that there are still so many things missing. E.g. isn't it strange to offer a grid lines view but no function to rotate the image by an arbitrary angle!? I was also very surprised that it saves the "recipes" in the RAW file by default instead of a separate file. I.e your RAW files change! And why do they distinguish between RAW and RGB adjustments? Come on Canon, please put some more man power behind this software and let some top-notch usability people review the GUI!

That's all for now. Back to shooting...



Sep 16, 2007 at 06:45 AM
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p.26 #13 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


I spent the day shooting a motorsports race meet with my 40D. Here are my observations:

*AF is quick to lock onto the subject
*AI AF works well (Better then the 20D)
*AI Servo mode also works very well!
*The bigger buffer is a huge improvement over the 20D!
*Mirror blackout times are improved!
*The shutter button is very sensitive, I had it set on H drive mode and just tapping the shutter resulted in a burst of 3 shots.
*The extra 1.5 fps is handy!

Overall I shot 700 pics and only 10 were OOF (But that was due to me trying to do slow speed panning, and not the camera).

I will post some pics up once I've sorted through them all.





Sep 16, 2007 at 08:05 AM
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p.26 #14 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


With with highlite tone priority set, I am noticing just a little bit of less exposure in the shadows when comparing to the setting set to off. Not much, and I can adjust for it, but wanted to note it here.

Also, on the SanDisk Extreme III CF card mentioned above, Adorama has a good prices on them right now.



Sep 16, 2007 at 08:27 AM
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p.26 #15 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Alan321 wrote:
Funny you should say that Stan. I've just tried a 40D and it too failed at AI Servo tracking. Unlike you, I think it should have done better - my 20D did.

In one sequence I was aiming at a person walking across a park at a range of well over 50m. A few photos were in focus and then it drifted to the far background. The sensor was still on the person.

In another sequence I was aiming at a stationary subject, which was an information label card in a pot plant at a range of 2-3m. For several photos the
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That can be annoying. Making me think twice now about considering the 40D. And it seems the drifting I read about with another user (probably in another thread/forum) isn't so isolated. Surprised Canon is now selling the new 40D with this issue.



Sep 16, 2007 at 08:55 AM
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p.26 #16 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


EOS20 wrote:
*AF is quick to lock onto the subject
*AI AF works well (Better then the 20D)
*AI Servo mode also works very well!


Should we tell Canon to implement the AF system of the 40D in the 1D Mk III?




Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Sep 16, 2007 at 08:59 AM
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p.26 #17 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Yakim Peled wrote:
Should we tell Canon to implement the AF system of the 40D in the 1D Mk III?



Happy shooting,
Yakim.


AF drifting issues included?

I don't recall reading about that happening with the 1DM3. Maybe this is a bug with the 40D. (shrug) Actually I don't recall reading about this happening with the 30D either.



Sep 16, 2007 at 09:08 AM
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p.26 #18 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


For me so far so good on the AF front, but so far no challenging situations. However, working through the manuals and menus, it appears the 40D AF has a lot more "flexibility" (complexity) and can do things like convert itself from one mode to another depending on what it "sees", without operator intervention. There's also a slightly different procedure for focusing in one part of a frame and exposing based on another part.

This may be typical of their other newer SLR's but it's very different from the 20D I'm used to. The acid test will be next weekend when I take U19 pics at a soccer tournament. I have found that when panning on a person, using only the center focus point, the AF will react almost too fast when a portion of it drifts off the main subject. working on the contract principal, it's also very quick to refocus when it drifts slightly to a background area that offers better contrast than the desired subject.

With the 20D, I had evolved to using only the center point and focusing only on pushing a separate button. There was no AF mode that would produce consistently decent results. Sounds like the 40D may not work any better, but I'll give it a whirl. It always takes me a couple of months to "get it" when Canon brings out a new model, being a slow person.



Sep 16, 2007 at 09:18 AM
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p.26 #19 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Andrew, I don't care what they'll do. I just want them to do it. I am so desperate I am considering other models.

Or maybe this one.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Sep 16, 2007 at 09:31 AM
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p.26 #20 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Guys, before we start a whole rumor campain- the problem is NOT that there is a bug in the AF system like the m3. The problem is that the AF sensors are very large AND at the distances that far with a FL as short as 180mm, it is simply a case of coverage. A fact of life with the xxD series is that you need long enough glass so that the subject far overlaps the little square in the VF.


Sep 16, 2007 at 09:46 AM
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