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p.17 #1 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


Two of those auctions were ended early, one relisted. Another one the seller is no longer registered. I'd be very careful in choosing who I purchased from.


Aug 29, 2007 at 01:24 AM
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PrecisionPhoto wrote:
Because of the cost of the 1DMKIII I've been closely watching the price of a new to mint Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II and so far the average going price on EvilBay is $4300


If thats all I can get for my 1ds2 then I can keep it until the 1ds4 hits the market. The 1ds2 is serving me well enough. I suspect that another 3 years and serious competition from Nikon(which appears a very real possibility for the 1st time in 4 years or so) will make upgrading from the 1ds2 to the 1ds4 much much more attractive. From what I am seeing in the specs the 1ds2 to 1ds3 is not going to be worth $4000 to me. The specs almost always are more impressive than real world results. If the specs are not so hot the shots will be less so.

Canon also has waited too long to;
Go to a lithium battery pack
Give a decent sized review screen

Charlie



Aug 29, 2007 at 08:55 AM
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p.17 #3 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


I wonder if Canon have miscalculated this time? The number of people who bought the 1DSII was way lower than the number who bought the 5D. At an 8K+ price point, they would largely be aiming the upgrade at the same people who bought the top end model in the first place.

As a 1DSII owner I for one won't be upgrading to the 1DS MarkIII. Why would I? I'm getting all the quality I could ask for from the 1DSII and I simply don't see enough "must have" features on the spec for the new model. Methinks Canon may not have thought it through properly, unless 5D owners decide to dig deep..............



Aug 29, 2007 at 09:34 AM
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p.17 #4 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


As a 1DSII owner I for one won't be upgrading to the 1DS MarkIII. Why would I? I'm getting all the quality I could ask for from the 1DSII and I simply don't see enough "must have" features on the spec for the new model. Methinks Canon may not have thought it through properly, unless 5D owners decide to dig deep..............

Really, 16.5 MG files will fill my hard drive fast enough as it is.
To me a 1DsII is a step up enough and I've been waiting for the new one just to bring down the cost of the 1DsII.



Aug 29, 2007 at 10:09 AM
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John Black wrote:
Two of those auctions were ended early, one relisted. Another one the seller is no longer registered. I'd be very careful in choosing who I purchased from.

I wouldn't buy from a seller listing a 1Ds Mk II at 99 cents. Great deal if true, but that's to good to be true.



Aug 29, 2007 at 10:21 AM
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p.17 #6 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


xrayvision wrote:
If thats all I can get for my 1ds2 then I can keep it until the 1ds4 hits the market. The 1ds2 is serving me well enough...

Charlie



I may bite the bullet and upgrade, or maybe not. If there's a 18-24 MP D3X - that's another option. Some of my favorite lenses are Contax manual & AF lenses on the 1Ds2 (via adapter or conversion). Zeiss ZF on a D3X is a whole new option.

The 1D3 images appear to have a bolder, crisper look. Looks nice on the web. In reality this is one of things that really bugs me with each Canon release. 1Ds files looked fundamentally different than a 1Ds2 file. Lenses I liked on the 1Ds didn't look as nice on the 1Ds2. And there were some lenses I didn't like on the 1Ds which now I do like on the 1Ds2. So a 1Ds3 (for me) may open Pandora's box - again, with more lens testing to find the lenses that match best with the 1Ds3's signature. This part of the "upgrade" process stinks... it's time consuming, expensive and frustrating at times.

Between the 1Ds3 price, resale value of the 1Ds2 (ie - loss) and potential lens flipping - I have very mixed emotions about upgrading to the 1Ds3. The key things I wanted out of the 1Ds3 upgrade were - more DR, better color graduations (presumably 16 bits), weaker AA filter, lighter body (preferably an optional grip like old 1V), significantly better LCD with more resolution (to check focus) and a smaller battery/charger solution. Canon hit several points on the wish list, but they weren't direct hits.

One area which has been glossed over is the new auto lens corrections in DPP - sort of like a DxO "lite". Sounds similar to Hassy's approach with the H3D.



Aug 29, 2007 at 10:53 AM
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p.17 #7 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


Personally I am still torn between the 1DsIII and 1DIII. For me the 1D is full frame 'enough' I think assuming I bought the new 14mmII lens and I would love the extra stop from iso6400 vs 3200 on the 1Ds. But yea, the cost factor is double which is a bit of a choker (and I am trading up from a 20d!).

I think if it wasn't for the focusing issues I probably would do the 1D but until I see that resolved I will wait and if the 1Ds comes out 'clean' with no issues I might just need to step up.

Heh, or I could just say screw it and go for a 5D and forget about all this for a long while by not forum whoring and lusting over new gear (although at the moment without an SLR at all I need to do some serious thinking).



Aug 29, 2007 at 10:56 AM
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Sean Reidy wrote:
I wonder if Canon have miscalculated this time? The number of people who bought the 1DSII was way lower than the number who bought the 5D. At an 8K+ price point, they would largely be aiming the upgrade at the same people who bought the top end model in the first place.

As a 1DSII owner I for one won't be upgrading to the 1DS MarkIII. Why would I? I'm getting all the quality I could ask for from the 1DSII and I simply don't see enough "must have" features on the spec for the new model. Methinks Canon
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If I were a 5D owner, I'd hang with it until I saw the 5DII or whatever the next model will be. It's already a nice camera, if they put 16 MP in it and give it the rest of the new features, 14 bit, etc. why spend 2.5 times the money for a Ds III. It's not as though the build on the 5D is bad, so unless you're taking your body out and banging it around quite a bit the build if fine.

Yeah, Canon denies you the 1 seris AF, and the build, but the IQ is great, and that's the most important thing right? Also, maybe Nikon's announcement spurs Canon to pay some attention to what the competition is offering and forces a response. I'm sure Canon is looking at the 5D replacement and asking themselves if this camera will be a major player in the new landscape.



Aug 29, 2007 at 11:29 AM
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does anyone know what the viewing angle on the LCD is? The Nikon d3 has viewing angle of 170 degrees, which pretty much means that you can hold the camera over your head with the arm extended and still see the live LCD to figure out what you're shooting.

Why would i need that? to take shot over people heads ..either by sticking the camera on monopod, holding it up and using remote release to take picture...u get hte idea.



Aug 29, 2007 at 11:48 AM
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Caleb Williams wrote:
I wouldn't buy from a seller listing a 1Ds Mk II at 99 cents. Great deal if true, but that's to good to be true.


Been on ebay for almost 10 years and know who will usually burn you, takes time to learn to get the great deals but well worth the home work.



Aug 29, 2007 at 12:37 PM
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Ahem...


Nikon tops SLR customer satisfaction survey
Posted by Stephen Shankland
Well, this news isn't going to go over well at Canon.

According to a new survey by J.D. Power and Associates, Nikon is the clear leader in customer satisfaction among digital SLR (single-lens reflex) customers in the United States. Adding insult to injury, SLR newcomer Sony came in second.

A new customer satisfaction gives Nikon SLRs the lead.

(Credit: J.D. Power and Associates)Nikon scored 822 out of a possible 1,000 on a rank of how well its cameras measured up with the qualities consumers find important.

"It dominates in digital SLRs," Steve Kirkeby, executive director of telecomunciations and technology, said in an interview.

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Sony scored 793. At 788, third place went to Canon--the top seller of digital cameras in general and of SLRs specifically--followed closely by Pentax at 787 and Olympus at 783. The survey didn't rank Panasonic, another new entrant, or Samsung, which today sells Pentax SLRs under its own brand.

SLR cameras, expensive but high-performance models, are at the center of a fiercely competitive and increasingly crowded marketplace. Canon is the top seller worldwide, with Nikon in second place.

The scale is weighted to favor the factors customers find more important, so image quality has a bigger influence on overall score than camera style, for example. And customer satisfaction has an import influence over future purchases: 36 percent of camera buyers ask for others' recommendations, so happy camera users are good advertising.

"Satisfaction leads to intention to recommend," Kirkeby said. "Intention to recommend--word of mouth--is something sought by camera buyers."

The most important satisfaction factors for SLR owners are, in terms of their relative weighting, picture quality at 39 percent; overall performance at 26 percent; ease of operation at 22 percent; and appearance and styling at 13 percent.

The dominant performance subfactors are autofocus, followed by low-light performance, according to the study.

Compact camera satisfaction factors
The study also measured three broad classes of compact cameras: ultraslim models that are less than 1-inch thick; basic point-and-shoot models with an average price below $230, and premium point-and-shoot models that are fancier with an average price above $230.

Casio, one of the electronics companies that has jumped into the camera market, led the ultraslim pack with a score of 802 for its Exilim Zoom line. Here, Canon was a close second at 796 for its PowerShot SD line. Next came Kodak's V series at 787, Sony DSC-T at 782 and Olympus Stylus at 781. Most of the next were close behind, but two series--Samsung S and Nikon Coolpix L--were a big notch below the pack at 728 and 725, respectively.

For basic point-and-shoots, Fujifilm's Finepix F series was tops at 749, followed by Kodak's Z series at 744 and Canon's A series at 739.

In the premium point-and-shoot category, Canon wins hands down, with a score of 829 that's head and shoulders above the next, Panasonic's DMC-FZ series at 785 and a number of others. The other Canon PowerShot lines--A, G and S--ended up in sixth, seventh and eighth places.



Aug 29, 2007 at 12:52 PM
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p.17 #12 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


Lumping together Nikon D40/Canon 400XT users in with Canon 1Ds2/Nikon D2Xs users muddies the results. Sort of like JD Power comparing a Honda Civic owners with Lexas 430LS owners. A $600 dSLR buyer has different criteria/expectations than a $4500 buyer.


Aug 29, 2007 at 02:44 PM
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PrecisionPhoto wrote:
Nope, read my post, do your home work; $4300

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200142952639&ssPageName=STRK

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130145374068&ssPageName=STRK:

I'll buy one at 38-43 and sell it to you for 48-52



Go ahead and send a money order to Egor in Poland and see if your camera arrives. Just plain stupid. No VALID 1ds2 is selling for 4k.



Aug 29, 2007 at 03:12 PM
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calvillo wrote:
If I were a 5D owner, I'd hang with it until I saw the 5DII or whatever the next model will be. It's already a nice camera, if they put 16 MP in it and give it the rest of the new features, 14 bit, etc. why spend 2.5 times the money for a Ds III. It's not as though the build on the 5D is bad, so unless you're taking your body out and banging it around quite a bit the build if fine.

Yeah, Canon denies you the 1 seris AF, and the build, but the IQ is
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for the same amount of money as the 1DsIII, one could get a 1DIII and a 5DII. the 1DIII has obvious benefits for fast-action sequences, while the 5DII will have AF that is good enough for mostly-stationary subjects.

the decision comes down to how often one could make use of 10 fps and a 30-frame buffer.



Aug 29, 2007 at 03:16 PM
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p.17 #15 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


so no one knows the LCD viewing angle?


Aug 29, 2007 at 04:05 PM
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p.17 #16 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


Today what are the lowest prices on a new 1Ds II from a known legitimate dealer?
B&H photo has them for $6999



Aug 29, 2007 at 06:55 PM
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Go ahead and send a money order to Egor in Poland and see if your camera arrives. Just plain stupid. No VALID 1ds2 is selling for 4k.

No need to argue on how to be discerning on a great deal then talking ONLY about the bad deals you should be able to see if your sharp enough then a knee jerk reaction to the falling price and not being aware of it by no research and yes some of them are going to be bad.
I gave just a few and took the time to post them thanks very much.



Aug 29, 2007 at 06:56 PM
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John Black wrote:
Lumping together Nikon D40/Canon 400XT users in with Canon 1Ds2/Nikon D2Xs users muddies the results. Sort of like JD Power comparing a Honda Civic owners with Lexas 430LS owners. A $600 dSLR buyer has different criteria/expectations than a $4500 buyer.

The thing that is so rediculous about that JD Power survey is that the only way to do such a survey is to separate the top end pro cameras for their own survey. It makes me doubt anything that comes from them. It does not take a pro photog to understand that these are two completely different product lines!
I went to shoot some gymnastics events and I can guarantee you the folks with Nikons were not happy customers as they could only wish they were shooting with a Canon like mine



Aug 30, 2007 at 08:44 AM
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p.17 #19 · •Eos 1Ds MkIII Master Thread•


You're exactly right. JD Power is basically a popularity contest.


Aug 30, 2007 at 04:40 PM
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I think I'll pass on the 1Ds III. It's got some great usability features however I feel a little shafted that the few features I need the most could be applied with a simple firmware update - that is, the ISO setting to be shown in the viewfinder while changing and an auto cutover between CF to SD when my CF card fills up.

Other than that, the 1Ds Mark II offers so much already that although I feel that the 1Ds Mark III may be a useful upgrade, I cannot justify the money when the 1Ds II's photographic capabilities seem sufficient for what I do.



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