Jeff wrote: Normcar21 wrote:
I have never seen a shot like the one posted above where there is absolutely no position of focus, either front or rear, where it is camera error.
I never had either until I got my MkIII...
The plane of focus would appear to be between the player in the foreground and the group, based upon the grass nearer the camera being more in focus. I can assure you that, based upon the AF points used, sometimes the MkIII does not, in fact, 'always focus on something'. It's easy to make blanket statements about things that work properly, but all bets are off until we know what is wrong with this thing. I agree Jeff. No offense taken Normcar, but I am with you in thinking something should be in focus. I didn't have that problem with my M2 and I sure did with my M3. I would look at the picture and try and figure what was in focus. Often there would be absolute zero in focus and then sometimes there was something "kinda" in focus. No I shot 3 games today and did not see any of those kinds of shots but it was a cool over cast day.
Edited by Wickedfn4u on Sep 15, 2007 at 08:39 PM GMT
Jeff, whatever you are doing is fine with me. It's your string. It's not important to me, my camera works fine so I think I should just let you guys keep on keepin on, and leave you be
The closest I've seen with the Mark III I have to this problem is when focus is set to all points rather than single point with expansion to #8 in Cfn3. I shot for a few hours with all points and got something similar buy even then "something" was in focus. I could only suspect that in the Hrow post if "something" was in focus, but "nothing" is in focus in that offering. When "nothing" is in focus, from my experience, it's user error.
I promise not to post in this string any more. Thank you for bearing with me thus far.
Jeff, sorry about the file size, didn't even look as the screen capture appeared to be a small size. I have resized it if you want to un-whatever it is that you did to it.
lidesun wrote: Jeff wrote: Normcar21 wrote:
I have never seen a shot like the one posted above where there is absolutely no position of focus, either front or rear, where it is camera error.
I keep my 1DIII because for 80-90% of what I photograph it works beautifully. Wonderful image quality, fast, reliable, etc. This camera body fits my needs perfectly. AND I expect Canon will ultimately get it right, whether the fix is hardware or firmware.
Hi Lars, I'm and many others I know are waiting for Canon to respond for return my camera, or fix the problem.
But still no reaction at all from Canon.
It looks like we are talking against the walls
So try it, if you have a bad copy, I wonder how long you have to wait for some kind of reaction, or even a replacement.
I keep my 1DIII because for 80-90% of what I photograph it works beautifully. Wonderful image quality, fast, reliable, etc. This camera body fits my needs perfectly. AND I expect Canon will ultimately get it right, whether the fix is hardware or firmware.
But why not replace it when it's under warranty and maybe get one that is 100% good 80-90% isn't good enough for an expensive camera.
And I don't understand when you say "reliably" about a camera that needs a fix to work.
And if no fix is coming, will you still keep a camera that only works good 80-90% of the time
Monique wrote: lidesun wrote: Jeff wrote: Normcar21 wrote:
I have never seen a shot like the one posted above where there is absolutely no position of focus, either front or rear, where it is camera error.
I never had either until I got my MkIII...
SOOOOOO absolutely correct !
I ditto that!
Same here - this kind of picture exemplifies the MkIII experience.
Jeff wrote:
I never had either until I got my MkIII...
I see those too, Jeff. Saw it again this weekend. There was another thread over at dpr where someone posted the same thing with an example. People were trying to figure it out. Fortunately it doesn't happen very often.
If they can fix the darn servo focusing, I'll live with those bizarre total OOF shots once in a while, because when the Mark III works good the photos are great.
It must not be all cameras otherwise everyone would have seen it by now. Unless they're just disgarding it as a typical OOF shot from user error. Don't know.
I don't get it !!!!!
You can see a shot where everything is OOF and a lot of people say that this is proof that something i wrong with the MKIII camera ?
I have got shots like this with every camera that I have owned or used since I started with photography.
(I'm not saying the camera is good because I have never owned one, so I don't know)
Lars Johnsson wrote:
But why not replace it when it's under warranty and maybe get one that is 100% good 80-90% isn't good enough for an expensive camera.
And if no fix is coming, will you still keep a camera that only works good 80-90% of the time
Is Canon replacing these with no hassle? I was under the impression you had to send it in to a service center, let them monkey around with it trying to fix the focusing issues (which they haven't solved yet), and when they finally give up they'll replace the camera. But how many trips to the service center will that take? And how long is that without the camera?
While I'm waiting for Canon to come up with a focus issue fix, I can continue to use the camera in the conditions where it excels (lower light). I used it for two night-time Football games this weekend, having ISO 3200 that clean is awesome.
I think many of us are waiting on this next firmware upgrade. This is the one that's in direct response to all Rob Galbraith's work on the Servo focus issue. At least that's the impression he's giving us. And it sounds like that from all the other reports (Osaka etc).
If this one doesn't fix it, then I'll seek to get a refund or some kind of replacement. Although I'm not convinced a replacement MarkIII is going to be any better. And the Mark II's are not available new anymore. What a mess......
Garylv wrote: Lars Johnsson wrote:
But why not replace it when it's under warranty and maybe get one that is 100% good 80-90% isn't good enough for an expensive camera.
And if no fix is coming, will you still keep a camera that only works good 80-90% of the time
Is Canon replacing these with no hassle? I was under the impression you had to send it in to a service center, let them monkey around with it trying to fix the focusing issues (which they haven't solved yet), and when they finally give up they'll replace the camera. But how many trips to the service center will that take? And how long is that without the camera?
While I'm waiting for Canon to come up with a focus issue fix, I can continue to use the camera in the conditions where it excels (lower light). I used it for two night-time Football games this weekend, having ISO 3200 that clean is awesome.
I think many of us are waiting on this next firmware upgrade. This is the one that's in direct response to all Rob Galbraith's work on the Servo focus issue. At least that's the impression he's giving us. And it sounds like that from all the other reports (Osaka etc).
If this one doesn't fix it, then I'll seek to get a refund or some kind of replacement. Although I'm not convinced a replacement MarkIII is going to be any better. And the Mark II's are not available new anymore. What a mess......
Make that.... what a FREAKIN' mess!!!
Edited by Garylv on Sep 16, 2007 at 02:49 PM GMT
Edited by Garylv on Sep 16, 2007 at 02:52 PM GMT
I don't know if it's easy to get these cameras repaired or replaced. And neither will you if you never try.
And you have already got new firmware and it didn't help.
Lars Johnsson wrote:
And you have already got new firmware and it didn't help.
But Lars, remember now, the firmware upgrade so far was not in response to all the servo focusing complaints and Rob Galbraith's information sent to Canon Japan. Chuck Westfall made that clear with the previous firmware.
This next one is. So this is the one most people are waiting for. We don't know, but it could be just a few days away. RG has it and is testing it also.
Lars Johnsson wrote:
But Canon did say this and include this text with the new firmware.
""Reduces the tendency to autofocus on the background instead of the main subject when shooting in AI Servo AF under certain conditions""
That's not the issue we're all waiting for. That was a problem Canon said they identified themselves, and there have been users reporting a little improvement in that one specific area. That's not what all the fuss is about though.
And you are correct, Canon will not actually admit the problem unless they decide a recall is necessary. (I hope that's not the case).
Maybe replacing the camera or repairing it would help also
Instead of writing about the problems every day for months
I know it probably appears that way to some other people too, and they're probably wondering the same thing. But honest, Canon doesn't have a fix yet. Some people have reported sending their cameras in and it comes back with the same trouble.
Needless to say it's probably pretty frustrating when people receive it back with no real improvement on this particular issue.
There have been a couple people who sent theirs in for other types of general focus issues, such has having trouble in all lighting conditions, One Shot and Servo, and reported improvement there. But that's not the same as the reported Servo focusing issue many people are experiencing.
As you say, we could try, but until I hear they have actually fixed at least one camera with the specific bright sun Servo focus issue, I think it's an exercise in futility.
I'm glad I had the camera on hand this weekend, low light performance is great. ISO 3200 is very usable even without noise reduction (or very little), provided the exposure level was correct.
As mentioned, there is a new firmware upgrade most likely just days away, or hopefully within a couple of weeks. Then we'll see.
Lars Johnsson wrote:
I don't get it !!!!!
You can see a shot where everything is OOF and a lot of people say that this is proof that something i wrong with the MKIII camera ?
I have got shots like this with every camera that I have owned or used since I started with photography.
(I'm not saying the camera is good because I have never owned one, so I don't know)
If you have a bad copy, you will get it, believe me, you will
So why don't you return the camera to the shop and get a refund. Like you do at B&H and a lot of other shops even if it don't have any fault that you can show them. And if you can show any fault, every shop will take it back of course.
Why do everyone here like to keep their faulty cameras
Or do you say that every camera has this fault
I'd like to follow up a bit on that strange total OOF occurrence some of us have seen. I don't have my examples because I usually pick the selection of photos I'm going to keep and delete the rest. And I've already done that for those sessions.
But I don't believe it's actually caused by the camera adjusting the focal plane via the lens. If it is, then the 300 f2.8 has a secret Macro mode that everybody has overlooked all these years.
The reason I say that is because the scene is so out of focus, that the lens would have to be focused about 1 foot in front of me to produce those results. And that also means the lens is going outside the range of the focus distance limiter switch.
If the lens is racking the focus out that much, there's no way you won't see it through the viewfinder. I've seen it in a burst where the photo before it and after it were fine. There's no way the lens moved that much on one photo without seeing it.
So I think it's some other kind of camera malfunction in the way the image is recorded or processed. Next time I'll keep the burst to demonstrate it. This is not your usual out of focus image where the focus grabbed the background or something like that. Very different. Fortunately it doesn't happen very often.
80-90% isn't good enough for an expensive camera. 