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p.42 #1 · 40D is for july

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I don't see it this way. I was a 10D owner (still am) and was not impressed with the 20D due to the poor focussing and lockups etc. The camera did improve in production but it was really the 30D that ironed out the problems and settled into a great camera sufficient to attract many (not all) of the left over 10D upgraders.

The 40D would have to be extremely good now to get me to upgrade, (highly unlikely) but I predict it will attract a lot of 20D owners, most of the diehard 10D owners and a good many of the xti/300D/350D type owners.

The 30D also, on its own, attracted a good many D200 owners (not quite sure why since the D200 is such a superior camera - odd one that isn't it?) so I also predict that the 40D will attract a good many more.

So, it looks to me that Canon have played their cards very cleverly and are just about to launch a dslr that will reset the bar and earn them God knows how many millions Yen.

I've never heard of any lockups or issues with the 20D. Sure,it's not the best with focusing,but 30D does not fix that a bit. Maybe you had a faulty camera or just read too many rumors.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 05:28 PM

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p.42 #2 · 40D is for july

Makes you wonder what they'll do with lenses then as 40/50 MP is surely going to be vastly outresolving existing EF mount glass? Unless of course they're planning on going into medium format or something.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 05:36 PM

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p.42 #3 · 40D is for july

I"m mostly in agreement with everything DaDane said...

I will say this however... if the 40D is all that... then it may make it harder for me to get one early on... as I think the demand would be pretty high... given all those that have been whining about how earlier rumor specs that suggested something a little less... I think there would be many of those people changing their tune (albeit quietly to avoid embarrassment)...

Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper in just six months of effort seems almost laughable.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 05:47 PM

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p.42 #4 · 40D is for july

DmitriM wrote:
Sinope wrote:
I don't see it this way. I was a 10D owner (still am) and was not impressed with the 20D due to the poor focussing and lockups etc. The camera did improve in production but it was really the 30D that ironed out the problems and settled into a great camera sufficient to attract many (not all) of the left over 10D upgraders.

The 40D would have to be extremely good now to get me to upgrade, (highly unlikely) but I predict it will attract a lot of 20D owners, most of the diehard 10D owners and a good many of the xti/300D/350D type owners.

The 30D also, on its own, attracted a good many D200 owners (not quite sure why since the D200 is such a superior camera - odd one that isn't it?) so I also predict that the 40D will attract a good many more.

So, it looks to me that Canon have played their cards very cleverly and are just about to launch a dslr that will reset the bar and earn them God knows how many millions Yen.

I've never heard of any lockups or issues with the 20D. Sure,it's not the best with focusing,but 30D does not fix that a bit. Maybe you had a faulty camera or just read too many rumors.

The only 20D lockup I've heard about or experienced is related to the grip. However, I am not sure it is due to "flexing" or anything like that. I've gone to disabling the grip controls unless I am actually using them, and haven't had a lockup since. So, what I think happens is that hitting the wheel on the grip with the heel of your hand and camera at the same time might have something to do with it. This problem also ossurs with the 30D, which of course uses the same grip.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 05:58 PM

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p.42 #5 · 40D is for july

The 20D had some lockup issues, - at least if you used Sigma lenses. But I think also with Canon.
Mine locked up a lot. Had to take out battery. But quite soon there was a software update.

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p.42 #6 · 40D is for july

DynoMoHum wrote:
I"m mostly in agreement with everything DaDane said...

I will say this however... if the 40D is all that... then it may make it harder for me to get one early on... as I think the demand would be pretty high... given all those that have been whining about how earlier rumor specs that suggested something a little less... I think there would be many of those people changing their tune (albeit quietly to avoid embarrassment)...

Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper in just six months of effort seems almost laughable.

Yes, I agree. The only major thing that they could have tweaked in such a short time would be software, which is a significant piece of the puzzle. They might have added some more AF customization from the 1d series, as well as tweak some of the algorithms. They might have had time to deepen the shooting buffer or had latitude to speed the shutter recycle time from 5 to 6.x

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:03 PM

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p.42 #7 · 40D is for july

.. although I have thought all along that the 30D was released with the same sensor as 20D because they didn't like the noise from th 10mp 1.6 sensor they could produce at the time. Perhaps the real meaning got lost in translatio0n or traveling through many people and the reality is that the sensor to originalloy go in the 30D got delayed from feb 06 to now.

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p.42 #8 · 40D is for july

WHOAHH!!!

That new Northlight stuff has me drooling all over the keyboard.

Especially the suggestion that Sony has litho optics (Wasn't Nikon making these for Sony?) that can do full frame sensors in single lithography passes, which in turn apparently has forced Canon to develop the same. That will drive full frame sensor prices down like mad!

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:11 PM

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p.42 #9 · 40D is for july

I'd say there's a lot of BS included on that page... It mentions new stepper technology to manufacture full frame sensors in one pass (Canon FF sensors are manufactured in 2 litho passes). The 3 main players in litho are ASML, Nikon and Canon, and they all have maximum field sizes of 26x33mm, so it's still impossible to image a 24x36mm sensor in one go.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:12 PM

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p.42 #10 · 40D is for july

I don't think the 30D was ever supposed to have a different sensor. And I think that whatever sensor the 40D get, - the 50D (for feb. 09) will get as well, unless the competition will force Canon to do something else).
I think this makes a lot of sense! The sensor technology are not changing that rapid and also it's quite expensive. So having two models using the same sensor would make a lot of sense!

One thing that is missing is the megapixel count for the 40D. It just doesn't say!

I would be happy with just 8 megapixels (if the other things including 'half the noise of 30D' are true!), but I think that megapixels sells. And if, as I believe, Canon want to keep this sensor for three full years in the xxD series, - they might be forced to take compromises and give out more megapixels at the cost of quality. I don't have knowledge to estimate how many megapixels would be sufficient to keep the sales people happy for three years, but anything in the range of 10-16 megapixels or even more would be a good guess I would say. If I should guess a specific number, - I would say 12 or 14. 10 megapixels are here already and in 1 or 2 years that would seem a bit on the low side. But as I said, I would be happy with 8. And who knows perhaps Canon are bold enough to keep it at 8, - and try to educate the salespeople that megapixels just isn't the goal anymore

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:17 PM

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p.42 #11 · 40D is for july

Mostly everything said here: http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html makes sense, kinda states the obvious but seems quite credible.

Ive posted it several times, Ive known for a while the 40d and 1DsMk3 have been ready for a while. But Canon decided to keep developing aditional technologies and hold off releasing the cameras. In part to buy the current models a bit more time given they basically still lead the market even though some, like the 1Ds mk2 are basically 3+ yr old models.

Nikon has been historically slowed down by sensor technologies (remember the D2h noise fiasco!, 4mp, noisy and almost inmediately Canon releases the 1Dmk2 with DOUBLE the mp!) since they are not totally in their control (sony). That is just a huge dissadvantage in the dslr marketplace.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:24 PM

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p.42 #12 · 40D is for july

More interested in lenses...I used to not like these threads but have come to think they are interesting...any lens rumors of note? ...not the wish-list we all have.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:27 PM

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p.42 #13 · 40D is for july

Making sense and being credible are the hallmarks of any good rumour

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:42 PM

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p.42 #14 · 40D is for july

These rumor sites are just so reliable, I mean, they're never wrong ! And the reason is they have informants inside Canon who feed them exclusive, classified information.
If the 40D was for July ( right on the money again !) then the 1DS-MKIII must be for September. Or October, or maybe December or just keep coming back to the site and getting the latest scoop, heck, they'll get it right sooner or later, and in the mean time their site hits keep going up and up.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:42 PM

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p.42 #15 · 40D is for july

I havent heard anything regarding lenses other than a new low end kit lens with IS. Nikon has more lens options in the low to mid range and a few unique high end options like the 200-400mm f4 VR zoom and the 200mm f2 VR both of which are great lenses. That is one aspect where Canon doesnt have a lead.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 06:43 PM

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p.42 #16 · 40D is for july

Do not forget the 18-200 for crop format...Canon did not answer that one neither :-)

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Aug 18, 2007 at 07:27 PM

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p.42 #17 · 40D is for july

DynoMoHum wrote:

Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper in just six months of effort seems almost laughable.

Not really laughable. although Canon may have never intended to release the 40 prior to now they may have "woke up and smelled the roses" so to speak at how well the lower end Nikons we're selling. They probably had features they did not plan on putting in the 40D that ended up in this model anyway so they could nip Nikon in the butt.
I'll be curious to see if everything that is said on Northlight is true. If it is, I'm guessing you won't see a Nikon 300 before christmas because Nikon probably doesn't have anything that would match a 40D with the Northlight specs.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 07:43 PM

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p.42 #18 · 40D is for july

surly wrote:
DynoMoHum wrote:
Has anyone got any insight into the sRAW image quality and/or details on how it all works? I mean, like do they just pick fewer pixels to create the image from, or do they take a sample of all the pixels and then do some intelligent down sampling?

That is a good question
I guess for some folks there is a need but I think it kinda defeat the purpose of RAW. Would it be that much faster? If its that big a deal couldnt one set WB correctly before shooting?
What advantage do you folks see with sRAW?

i'm not sure. i guess maybe for photjournalists, where they don't need much res for print and want to save on processing and space resources and need to do a bit more highlight saving than jpg allows (but didn't they add highlight priority mode?) and, if lower res is ok and fine for newsprint why is superior tonal control? would that really do much for newsprint??

for sports maybe smaller size helps clog things up less, but don't many sports photographers crop quite a bit and at sRAW a lot of cropability would be lost.

and for direct to web, isn't sRAW rather large for web images, by almost twice?

i could see if they make it 12MP then give us an optimaly averaged for lower noise 8MP option for raw, but sRAW is much smaller than 8MP.

anyway, i'm sure there is a use. i vaguely recall seeing people clamoring for it a while back.

edit: no, i'm not really sure there is.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 08:25 PM

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p.42 #19 · 40D is for july

These rumors are the best way to drive traffic to your blog in order to increase your Google ad revenue.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 08:32 PM

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p.42 #20 · 40D is for july

David Estes wrote:
[Not really laughable. although Canon may have never intended to release the 40 prior to now they may have "woke up and smelled the roses" so to speak at how well the lower end Nikons we're selling. They probably had features they did not plan on putting in the 40D that ended up in this model anyway so they could nip Nikon in the butt.
I'll be curious to see if everything that is said on Northlight is true. If it is, I'm guessing you won't see a Nikon 300 before christmas because Nikon probably doesn't have anything that would match a 40D with the Northlight specs.
But price just matters!
In Denmark where I live you can get a D40 at 3300 dkr (~ 600$) after some refund thing. The 400D is at 4900 dkr (~ 890$).
Almost everyone I know who are not having a very strict budget will buy the Canon (and most will go for the 30D), - but a lot of my friends are poor students, - and they'll go for the Nikon.
And I fully understand them, - but in a year or two they'll get some more money and buy a nice lense and another one and within too long they are nikonians.

I believe this is the biggest problem for Canon right now. And I believe that Sony will put even more pressure on the prices within too long. Basically they don't have any market share, nothing to loose, nothing to protect, - but a lot to win. And they have to do something to do that!

I read somewhere that 'soccer moms' are one of the big buyers of Nikon D40. I guess Canon can live with that. These 'soccer moms' are probably not going to 'evolve' and start being passionate amateurs or professionals. Or said in another way, - they'll live with the kitlense and the same body for 5 years at the least.
But there is also young people who are photoaddicts but with very scarce resources.

Well, I might just be worrying to much. Whatever happends nor Canon neither Nikon are going out of buisness!

Edited by DaDane on Aug 18, 2007 at 10:40 PM GMT

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Aug 18, 2007 at 08:39 PM

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p.42 #21 · 40D is for july

Direct to web is possibly a good use for it... I really don't think you'd need more then 1936x1288 for that...

I guess the reason I don't see it as being anything I would use much... is for me, when I take photos, I just never no for sure if the photo I take that day is going to be the best one of my life or not... and I'd sure hate to have the camera in sRAW at the moment the stars and the moon aligned for me.

Maybe I need sRAW+LargFineJPEG...

(is that a option?)

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Aug 18, 2007 at 08:39 PM

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p.42 #22 · 40D is for july

DynoMoHum wrote:
I"m mostly in agreement with everything DaDane said...

I will say this however... if the 40D is all that... then it may make it harder for me to get one early on... as I think the demand would be pretty high... given all those that have been whining about how earlier rumor specs that suggested something a little less... I think there would be many of those people changing their tune (albeit quietly to avoid embarrassment)...

Mostly I think the idea that Canon had a much less dramatic 40D ready for a spring launch and now somehow managed a show stopper in just six months of effort seems almost laughable.

it's not like they would be starting from scratch and not likely it would be only six months difference in design time.

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Aug 18, 2007 at 09:14 PM

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p.42 #23 · 40D is for july

surly wrote:
What advantage do you folks see with sRAW?

I personally see no advantage, not even to wedding photographers for candids at the reception, which was Canon's supposed reason for including it (you never know when you might need/want to crop in). About the only use I can fathom is for product photography being presented on the web. Beyond that, I'm mystified.

I'd guess that the 1D MkIV won't have that 'feature'... (woops! I can't believe I even used the term 'MkIV'!

)

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Aug 18, 2007 at 09:37 PM

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p.42 #24 · 40D is for july

Steve Torelli wrote:
These rumor sites are just so reliable, I mean, they're never wrong ! And the reason is they have informants inside Canon who feed them exclusive, classified information.
If the 40D was for July ( right on the money again !) then the 1DS-MKIII must be for September. Or October, or maybe December or just keep coming back to the site and getting the latest scoop, heck, they'll get it right sooner or later, and in the mean time their site hits keep going up and up.

then again sometiems they are correct. and the 40D is for july was plain stupid to begin with since canon never releases any DSLR then. NEVER. don't discount all because of some that are obviously 100% for sure foolish. otoh, it is more than time for the 40D and 1DsMkIII to be imminent now and the 5DmkII not too far off either.

anyway, we'll see, almost certainly within a few days, if they 40D matches this or not.

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p.42 #25 · 40D is for july

Always take it with a grain of salt and from time to time it has more entertainment value than anything else

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