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p.2 #1 · MK III Auto ISO

dcmiller wrote:
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I don't get it either, but I suppose someone will come up with a real use.

Done. Rapidly-changing light conditions. Have a nice day.

Like a disco? You didn't give an example. You described a lighting situation. I can artificially make up a lighting scheme in which auto ISO would work great. But useful is real world.

That's the example... any time there are rapidly-changing light conditions. Done and done. If you've never encountered such a situation, you've been lucky to say the least.

I have been in a disco. They do flash those lights in unpredictable ways. And the mirror ball, I don't even want to think about it.

Okay. I haven't shot in a disco, which sounds tough. But much more commonplace in my experience is shooting indoors when strong sun is streaming through the windows. Even shooting a panel of sitting people where I must switch rapidly from one to the next, the situation can change rapidly. I've also experienced this problem with events outdoors where people walk into and out of shade, etc. I agree that most of the time it is just a convenience... but it is a great convenience. Especially when night is falling, you can concentrate more on shooting and check your exposure less often.

May 31, 2007 at 05:17 PM

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Oh, there also the situation at night where I'm shooting pics of the kids at home. The cops break down the front door. We run out the back door, and BAM, safety shift kicks in and I can continue with the christmas pics out behind the house. Done and done.

May 31, 2007 at 05:21 PM

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p.2 #3 · MK III Auto ISO

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Okay. I haven't shot in a disco, which sounds tough. But much more commonplace in my experience is shooting indoors when strong sun is streaming through the windows. Even shooting a panel of sitting people where I must switch rapidly from one to the next, the situation can change rapidly. I've also experienced this problem with events outdoors where people walk into and out of shade, etc. I agree that most of the time it is just a convenience... but it is a great convenience. Especially when night is falling, you can concentrate more on shooting and check your exposure less often.

You should probably stop now before you hurt yourself.

May 31, 2007 at 05:24 PM

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p.2 #4 · MK III Auto ISO

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Okay. I haven't shot in a disco, which sounds tough. But much more commonplace in my experience is shooting indoors when strong sun is streaming through the windows. Even shooting a panel of sitting people where I must switch rapidly from one to the next, the situation can change rapidly. I've also experienced this problem with events outdoors where people walk into and out of shade, etc. I agree that most of the time it is just a convenience... but it is a great convenience. Especially when night is falling, you can concentrate more on shooting and check your exposure less often.

You should probably stop now before you hurt yourself.

You've already hurt yourself.

May 31, 2007 at 05:37 PM

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p.2 #5 · MK III Auto ISO

I think it's a good new feature to have. Why would people be opposed to having this feature?

Sometimes, it seems like photographers pride themselves on doing everything manually. I like that we have full control over the parameters; if Canon was to take that away in favor of having it automated, I would have an issue. However, this is simply an extra feature to have, one that still allows us to go full manual if we choose to. Some may find this new feature useful for their style of shooting.

May 31, 2007 at 06:13 PM

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p.2 #6 · MK III Auto ISO

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But you are the first person I know that doesn't shoot field sports in manual mode unless there some funky light/shade on the field.

I'm the second!

I actually follow close to Nil's example. I shoot in Av mode, and make sure that my shutter speed is "good enough". I bump ISO as the afternoon becomes evening. But every once in a while, I'm just not paying enough attention; and blow a shot or two.

I'm not waiting for AutoISO, nor is it my dream feature; but I'd certainly check it out if it was an option

May 31, 2007 at 06:57 PM

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p.2 #7 · MK III Auto ISO

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...But you are the first person I know that doesn't shoot field sports in manual mode unless there some funky light/shade on the field.

You must live in Arizona. In Atlanta, funky light/shade on the field is the exception, not the rule. Throw sunset into the mix and you'll spend more time adjusting exposure than you do shooting. I shoot manual indoors and under stadium lighting; that's it.

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May 31, 2007 at 07:45 PM

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IYou really get to use it in Manual and also say AV mode. Either one is valid and can have imposed restrictions on it...or no restrictions on it.

You can use some or all of these features in AV, TV, P....OR MANUAL mode.

ISO speed shift (or aperture of shutter shift) doesn't work in Manual mode, but that's only part of the equation going on with this camera.

You can set up three custom function settings, all with different limits on aperture, shutter, and ISO. And these limits apply in Manual mode as well as all the rest.

You still make your own decsions on exposure whatever mode your in. In fact, you may need to be very knowledable to know what to tell the camera beforehand.

The difference is: You can either tell the camera what you want beforehand (three different lighting situations), or while your taking the shot.

You might not want to shoot higher over f11. You tell the camera to not allow f16, f22 as valid settings. You might not want to shoot below 1/60 sec. But you may wind up in a marginal situation where you'll accept 1/4 sec. Program them both.

Maybe you don't like anything over ISO 800, too grainy. Tell the camera that. Or maybe you'll also be shooting a few shots where you don't care. Tell it in another CF set you'll allow ISO 6400.

You can use safety shift in AV mode, with the imposed limits. In manual mode, shift won't work BUT the limits are still imposed so you won't twirl the wheel and get f16 by accident.

You have full control, you set limits for your shoot beforehand, and can even modify them to three different situations. Shoot Manual with limits, or shoot AV, TV etc with shift and limits.

May 31, 2007 at 08:08 PM

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p.2 #9 · MK III Auto ISO

First of all Jim, thank you very much for getting this thread back on track with useful information about the features. Let's avoid the "you're an idiot if you use/don't use the feature" comments and let everyone make up their own minds if it is useful for their particular needs and working style.

Second - Does the ISO display in the viewfinder? I know a lot of people have been requesting this for some time.

May 31, 2007 at 08:20 PM

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p.2 #10 · MK III Auto ISO

Eyeball wrote:
Does the ISO display in the viewfinder? I know a lot of people have been requesting this for some time.

ISO is always displayed in the viewfinder.

I have been experimenting with ISO shift and a minimum shutter speed, and I find this very useful as a custom setting when I am shooting people on the go.

May 31, 2007 at 08:26 PM

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p.2 #11 · MK III Auto ISO

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IYou really get to use it in Manual and also say AV mode. Either one is valid and can have imposed restrictions on it...or no restrictions on it.

You can use some or all of these features in AV, TV, P....OR MANUAL mode.

ISO speed shift (or aperture of shutter shift) doesn't work in Manual mode, but that's only part of the equation going on with this camera.

You can set up three custom function settings, all with different limits on aperture, shutter, and ISO. And these limits apply in Manual mode as well as all the rest.

You still make your own decsions on exposure whatever mode your in. In fact, you may need to be very knowledable to know what to tell the camera beforehand.

The difference is: You can either tell the camera what you want beforehand (three different lighting situations), or while your taking the shot.

You might not want to shoot higher over f11. You tell the camera to not allow f16, f22 as valid settings. You might not want to shoot below 1/60 sec. But you may wind up in a marginal situation where you'll accept 1/4 sec. Program them both.

Maybe you don't like anything over ISO 800, too grainy. Tell the camera that. Or maybe you'll also be shooting a few shots where you don't care. Tell it in another CF set you'll allow ISO 6400.

You can use safety shift in AV mode, with the imposed limits. In manual mode, shift won't work BUT the limits are still imposed so you won't twirl the wheel and get f16 by accident.

You have full control, you set limits for your shoot beforehand, and can even modify them to three different situations. Shoot Manual with limits, or shoot AV, TV etc with shift and limits.

And after a week of hassling with all this, you will find that using your eyes and your brain is much easier and produces better results.
Look, sitting around before a sporting event, or a play, or a news conference it might be fun to put the parameters in. I'll probably do it to kill time. But you systems analysts and engineers are not going to make better photos with the stuff.

May 31, 2007 at 08:57 PM

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p.2 #12 · MK III Auto ISO

dcmiller,

If I had your innate superiority I wouldn't need anything but my old Argus C3.

Dick

May 31, 2007 at 09:11 PM

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p.2 #13 · MK III Auto ISO

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dcmiller,

If I had your innate superiority I wouldn't need anything but my old Argus C3.

Dick

I suggest you start with a basic photography text on metering and work towards innate superiority. One step at a time.

May 31, 2007 at 09:50 PM

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p.2 #14 · MK III Auto ISO

i'm going to assume dcmiller is using a pinhole camera and writing us via smoke signals. god forbid technology improve something.

May 31, 2007 at 10:52 PM

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i'm going to assume dcmiller is using a pinhole camera and writing us via smoke signals. god forbid technology improve something.

Actually, I'm just walking out the door to shoot birds at sunset with my 1DIII.

May 31, 2007 at 11:29 PM

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p.2 #16 · MK III Auto ISO

I wonder why a dedicated luddite like dcmiller is even reading a forum thread about such a versatile, complex camera that has so many features he doesn't believe in.

Dick

May 31, 2007 at 11:30 PM

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p.2 #17 · MK III Auto ISO

Hey folks, it doesn't matter!

The 1D3 is so far one of my favorite cameras, based on limited time.

One of my all time favorite cameras was the Mamiya C330. TLR, so you got parallax error to compensate for. No meter, used a hand held meter or guess if in a hurry. Image reversed on the screen. My copy was all bashed up, would maybe qualify as cosmetic ugly. I think I liked it for all those reasons.

Great cameras, both of them. Both tools, nothing more.
No artistic auras.
Arguments moot.

May 31, 2007 at 11:45 PM

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p.2 #18 · MK III Auto ISO

dcmiller wrote:

Actually, I'm just walking out the door to shoot birds at sunset with my 1DIII.

lol, that's even more pathetic.

Jun 01, 2007 at 02:14 AM

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p.2 #19 · MK III Auto ISO

Please let’s not make personal attacks.. How about discussing objectively the usage of shifts and limits...

Some may believe that the experienced photographer may not need this or that professionals will be always shooting in manual mode. I believe lots of wedding and photojournalists will welcome ISO shift and mode limitations.

Jun 01, 2007 at 02:29 AM

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p.2 #20 · MK III Auto ISO

ISO shift is going to be a very useful function, as I shoot a lot of theatre and dance, where the foot candles on stage can vary by over 20 or 30 units cue to cue. Missing a perfect moment or airborne pirouette isn't really an option, but shooting everything at 1600 sucks if you don't have to.
This is just one more situation on top of those mentioned.

Jun 01, 2007 at 03:56 AM

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