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Archive 2007 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

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p.2 #1 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Yeah, this is an exclusive club.
The firmware in the camera is 1.08. Has any new camera started that high before? If the problem was all software then there may be a lot of cameras in June.

May 25, 2007 at 08:22 PM

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p.2 #2 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Now come on Nill. You do realize that there are people here that don't get your humor? You will end up with another flame war.

-Verxion

May 25, 2007 at 08:54 PM

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p.2 #3 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Sorry guys, just venting off my own frustration. I want my, I want my, I want my own Mark III...

I'm so worked up I broke down and put a battery grip and RRS L-plate on my 400D. Yikes!

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May 25, 2007 at 08:57 PM

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p.2 #4 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Nill Toulme wrote:
Mark III RAW files are Windows-only.

Eek. Thats not true!

You can decode mark III raw files on all platform using Dave Coffin's dcraw utility. DCraw has had MK3 support for months now.. since the same day the first CR2 files hit the internet.

If you're using a Mac you'll need the mac build of dcraw.

DCraw will seem a bit clunky for mac users since it's a command line app.. but it's quite powerful and it's minimal interface makes it easy to use in batch. There are a couple of nice GUIs for it for Linux, .. but as far as I can tell there are no current GUIs for OSX.

In any case.. I got my MK3 today. Live view is far more impressive than I expected. ... no more OOF macro photographs! :)

May 25, 2007 at 09:23 PM

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p.2 #5 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

post RAWs to sendspace.com or yousendit.com, then post the link here. no private bandwidth to eat up.

May 25, 2007 at 09:28 PM

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p.2 #6 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

jlauha wrote:
Does anybody know when Apple Aperture will support MK III RAW files?

The next RAW support update (sometimes embedded in the OS updates IIRC, sometimes separate) or the next Aperture update will be likely to add it. OS X 10.4.10 is currently in beta, the final version will likely add it. Someone I know might just happen to have 10.4.10 running right now, and might have just been able to open the Mk3 CR2s in preview... and aperture...

May 25, 2007 at 09:35 PM

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p.2 #7 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

gmaxwell wrote:
Nill Toulme wrote:
Mark III RAW files are Windows-only.

Eek. Thats not true!

You can decode mark III raw files on all platform using Dave Coffin's dcraw utility. DCraw has had MK3 support for months now.. since the same day the first CR2 files hit the internet.

If you're using a Mac you'll need the mac build of dcraw.

DCraw will seem a bit clunky for mac users since it's a command line app.. but it's quite powerful and it's minimal interface makes it easy to use in batch. There are a couple of nice GUIs for it for Linux, .. but as far as I can tell there are no current GUIs for OSX.

In any case.. I got my MK3 today. Live view is far more impressive than I expected. ... no more OOF macro photographs!

I just downloaded the Mac version. So how does that work

May 25, 2007 at 10:57 PM

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p.2 #8 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

I ran the CR2 files through Capture One 3.7.7 and all images seem to have a white bar right across the bottom of the image.

This image is copyrighted by the owner

The bar does not show up in the C1 preview or when shooting JPEGs. Presumeably this is a C1 problem but I have attached the RAW image here if somebody can confirm it for me.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4li4r0

May 26, 2007 at 01:02 AM

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p.2 #9 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

apoh wrote:
I ran the CR2 files through Capture One 3.7.7 and all images seem to have a white bar right across the bottom of the image.

This image is copyrighted by the owner

May 26, 2007 at 01:06 AM

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p.2 #10 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

I seem to recall this being a "feature" of some very early versions of C1, or maybe some very early versions of some cameras' support in C1. Mind you, it's very early days with the Mark III in C1 — it's not even listed as supported yet. They just slipped that undocumented "preliminary support" into v3.7.7, and it's nice to have even if it's not 100% ready for prime time.

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May 26, 2007 at 01:19 AM

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p.2 #11 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

I have just checked the Really Right Stuff B57-L D bracket that is the camera L bracket for the 1D Mk II, and it does not fit the 1DMk III. There was an early report from a show that indicated it would fit, but it does not. The mounting screw is in a different location, and the new Mk III body is also slightly wider from front to back. I will now need to wait while RSS works its magic. I also wonder if they will try to accomodate the wireless adapter with an L bracket, which will be a tricky thing to do. My guess is they will do an L bracket for a Mk III without wireless, and then do an non L bracket that allows the wireless adapter to be mounted.

May 26, 2007 at 02:21 AM

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p.2 #12 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

well, i managed to open taht RAW file in zoombrowser 5.6 that came with my 5D utility CD... i must say the noise on that picture at iso 3200 seem like my 5D iso 1600 or a little better.

May 26, 2007 at 02:43 AM

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p.2 #13 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

I converted the clock shot in DPP and no white bar. I also converted in C1 LE, and got the same white bar at the bottom of the shot... looks to be an issue with C1

May 26, 2007 at 03:09 AM

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p.2 #14 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

DavidP wrote:
How's the focusing screen in the 1D-III? Isn't it different than that in the 1D-II?

I like using the Ec-S in my 1D-II . . is the 1D-III stock screen going to be to my liking, or do you think I'll still want the Ec-S?

I think you'll still want the Ec-S. But Live View may have uses too. I was using it with the 85L and at 10x I could focus very precisely. It's very cool. The LCD is high quality and shows fine detail. It's going to make focusing tilt lenses precise, especially on the 1DsIII.

May 26, 2007 at 03:41 AM

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p.2 #15 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

I've uploaded one of Hammerli's 1D3 raw files here

I have up to 900MB on a high bandwidth server so if anyone wants to posts their images, I can host them for you. Just PM me.

May 26, 2007 at 06:03 AM

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p.2 #16 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Would it be possible to add a request thread for the new Canon 1DIII owners?

I would love to see what this camera can do in the sharpness department. Stopped down (f.8/11), sharp lens like the 35 or 135 L, tripod mounted, 100iso, detailed subject in front of the camera. Basically anything that can show optimal sharpness.

I would also love to see how it deals with long exposure noise, examples shot at 100iso, nightime, roughly around 30 or 60sec would be great!!

Congrats to everyone who got it so far :-)

May 26, 2007 at 10:14 AM

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p.2 #17 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

I was unable to open after trying multiple progras?

May 26, 2007 at 10:41 AM

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p.2 #18 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Download latest Canon dpp ver 3.0, need an original version on computer. This is the latest version and certainly opens the 1D mark3 files if the files are saved on your computer

May 26, 2007 at 11:13 AM

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p.2 #19 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

You will need to download the 1DmkIII codec from canon http://software.canon-europe.com/software/0026049.asp this is the site from the UK

Regards Adrian

May 26, 2007 at 11:16 AM

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p.2 #20 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

How about posting a high res jpeg so everone can at least have a look?

May 26, 2007 at 12:35 PM

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p.2 #21 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

TomRA wrote:
Would it be possible to add a request thread for the new Canon 1DIII owners?

I would love to see what this camera can do in the sharpness department. Stopped down (f.8/11), sharp lens like the 35 or 135 L, tripod mounted, 100iso, detailed subject in front of the camera. Basically anything that can show optimal sharpness.

I would also love to see how it deals with long exposure noise, examples shot at 100iso, nightime, roughly around 30 or 60sec would be great!!

Congrats to everyone who got it so far :-)

When I'm done with my coffee I was planning to do this: using 70-200 f4 IS, 1d3 100mm f11, 5D 130mm f11. I'll pm beewee and see if he'll host a couple raw files.

May 26, 2007 at 12:38 PM

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p.2 #22 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Can someone post an sRAW file? I'm very curious about this new format.

Thanks,
Steve

May 26, 2007 at 12:41 PM

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p.2 #23 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

The English language Mark III manual is available at this link, or at least was when I downloaded it this morning.

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May 26, 2007 at 01:17 PM

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p.2 #24 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

Roland W wrote:
I have just checked the Really Right Stuff B57-L D bracket that is the camera L bracket for the 1D Mk II, and it does not fit the 1DMk III. There was an early report from a show that indicated it would fit, but it does not. The mounting screw is in a different location, and the new Mk III body is also slightly wider from front to back. I will now need to wait while RSS works its magic. I also wonder if they will try to accomodate the wireless adapter with an L bracket, which will be a tricky thing to do. My guess is they will do an L bracket for a Mk III without wireless, and then do an non L bracket that allows the wireless adapter to be mounted.

Thanks, Roland - that may have been an initial impression I reported from PMA, guess I'll go ahead and sell my 1D2 L bracket now.

May 26, 2007 at 02:53 PM

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p.2 #25 · •Hands-On• Eos 1D Mk III body

ISO 3200 files

To make high ISO comparisons between this camera and others, I believe it's been an error to show 1DIII files with High ISO Noise Reduction turned off. Other cameras/brands don't really give this option. I believe this is principally to avoid web comparisons of really noisy files.

By allowing this function to be turned off, the camera removes a processing step and the buffer empties quickly. The manual says that burst depth is significantly reduced with this function on.

There a lot more thought in this camera about producing high quality jpegs that don't need further processing. Shooting very high quality 3200 jpegs straight out of the camera is not a big deal. Turn NR on, set the appropriate contrast level. Set sharpening appropriate for final use and go. The ISO 3200 images are essentially noise free and natural with NR on. The chroma noise is all but gone, there a little luminosity noise at 100% view.

When shooting raw, there's no reason to ask the camera to take the NR burden. DPP probably runs similar algorithms, and may even do it better. Canon allows us to see how good the High ISO files look before post noise processing. That's not available on "the other brand".

NR turned off also explains the disparity between the first reviewers who got preproduction cameras and the first photos posted.

So if the first comparison were a bit disappointing, there was a reason why.

And then there's the perfectly usable 6400 files....

May 26, 2007 at 03:35 PM


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