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Monito Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread JohnnyGCanon wrote: So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit! You don't have to shut up, but don't expect to get respect for being a one-issue squeaky wheel. Mar 09, 2007 at 07:21 PM

D Smith Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Hey, when all of you whiners are ready to jump ship to Nikon because they "1 upped" the 30d, let me know, I'm in the market for some backup gear. I may even sell it back with a small mark-up when you receive your "new innovated Nikon" because you know by the time you get it, it will be outdated and the Canon grass will look greener. Mar 09, 2007 at 08:45 PM

milanissimo Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Let's see now. I say screw megapixels, there are more important things that need to be upgraded on "40D". - more precise AF system. - that damn CF door - I don't mean the camera shut downs, but the way they are made. They are terribly filmsy. It ruins the overall good feel of the body a bit. - better battery grip - I'm getting a grip for 20D one of these days, but asking 150$ (here) for a 5$ piece of plastic is travesty. I've heard 5D grip is made from magnesium alloy (partially) so it should be much better than BG-E2. - programable SET button for mirror lock-up or whatever else needed (easy Custom Function access? - and/or making mirror lock up as one of the drive modes. It seems that Canon listened to photographers when they were designing 1D mk 3, let's hope they'll do the same with 40D. Mar 09, 2007 at 09:40 PM

JohnnyGCanon Offline Image Upload: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Monito wrote: JohnnyGCanon wrote: So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit! You don't have to shut up, but don't expect to get respect for being a one-issue squeaky wheel. Thank you ever so much! It does make me wonder though, is Canon capable of bringing out a replacement to the 20D/30D? After all, it's been 2 1/2 years since the 20D was introduced. That's way past time to bring a replacement out! Maybe they're having a hard time doing it? This is the anniversary year for Canon and if all they bring out is one DSLR I'm sure the industry will be shocked! I know I will be. I would hope they can do better than that! Mar 09, 2007 at 10:16 PM

danmitchell Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Whatever one's personal perspective is on the need for more megapixels, Canon understands that when the market moves to 10MP APS-C cameras it cannot long stick with 8 MP. Please note that I'm not arguing whether the difference is photographically significant or not. I am arguing that Canon will be less competitive among buyers, especially first time buyers, if their cameras are perceived as being less capable than the competition. Relative to other companies, a company can only be in three places: ahead, behind, or equal. Canon was pretty clearly ahead in the low to mid range until recently. I still say that Canon went from winning the "perception battle" (i.e. - they had 8 MP when others had only 6) to lagging behind (others now have 10MP APS-C bodies while Canon only has this on the 400D). I feel that Canon still does have the edge at the high end with the 1-series cameras and the 5D, though I wouldn't be too surprised to see competition there before long. Dan (Who is not whining or planning to "switch to Nikon" or similar... just observing.) Mar 09, 2007 at 10:51 PM

Paul Schmidt Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread JohnnyGCanon wrote: Hammerli wrote: Chris Dees wrote: Since the D60, and you still stay with this ancient, old fashion, not innovative company? Exactly my thoughts, all these people complaining how antiquated their 30Ds are, but I see they are all still here in the Canon forum after they tell us how Nikon is offering them so much more. I don't look forward to 6 more months of this endless bashing and speculation; I wish they'd shut-up or put-up and buy into the Nikon system if they think it is superior. I'm still complaining and will continue until I'm satisfied that Canon CAN bring out an updated 20D. They pretended they did with the 30D but it was just a warmed-over 20D. So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit! Well, there are a couple of real issues, for the 40D. It needs to sit between the 400D and the 5D, without affecting either, which means that price wise, it needs to come in around where the 30D is. One thing that people here, tend to forget, is that a new design from the ground up, is very expensive to do, it's much cheaper to take a starting point, since it replaces the 30D, the sensible starting point, is a 30D, drop in the sensor from either the 400D or the 1DMkIII, update the processor to the Digic III, and monkey with the firmware. Maybe they can add a few new features, like some weather sealing, and mirror lockup, a few extra AF points, but it's not going to be everything brand new. Which means post introduction, people will say it's a warmed over 30D, which is a warmed over 20D, ad nausium. What I find interesting with all this, film camera models, tended to last a long time, some lasted for 5-10 years, People didn't clamour for a new model every 3 months then, but basic designs didn't change much either. Mar 09, 2007 at 11:25 PM

darknite Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Man..... If you are not going to dump Canon no matter what, then quit kvetching. If you really want a camera better than the 20D (btw, you never mentioned in what ways you wanted it to be better) Go get a uswed 1D2, a 5D, or a 1D3.... If more than 8mp is what you are lusting after, go get a XTI/400D it even has a dust shaker. Plenty of choices, put up or shut up Not wanting to be rude or mean but there are more choices now than ever from Canon. JohnnyGCanon wrote: Hammerli wrote: Chris Dees wrote: Since the D60, and you still stay with this ancient, old fashion, not innovative company? Exactly my thoughts, all these people complaining how antiquated their 30Ds are, but I see they are all still here in the Canon forum after they tell us how Nikon is offering them so much more. I don't look forward to 6 more months of this endless bashing and speculation; I wish they'd shut-up or put-up and buy into the Nikon system if they think it is superior. I'm still complaining and will continue until I'm satisfied that Canon CAN bring out an updated 20D. They pretended they did with the 30D but it was just a warmed-over 20D. So, I'm not going to shut up and I'm not going to buy into the Nikon system. Maybe some of you that are complaining about other Canon users should. I've been a Canon user for over 30 years and probably will continue no matter who tells me to quit! Mar 09, 2007 at 11:49 PM

RJJR Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread JohnnyGCanon wrote: It does make me wonder though, is Canon capable of bringing out a replacement to the 20D/30D? After all, it's been 2 1/2 years since the 20D was introduced. That's way past time to bring a replacement out! Maybe they're having a hard time doing it? I've been wondering if the 20D/30D is "it" for that price point without raising the Mpx (which I don't particularly want). About the only thing I can think of to improve it from the sensor standpoint would be to use the same lens/photosite scheme as the new 1D3 (or a Foveon type sensor). improving AF and maybe importing the 1D3s adjustable AF and adding some sealing would be a good thing too but that'd all probably make it more expensive. One thing I wouldn't mind is a special version of the 20D/30D dedicated to B/W without bayer interpolation or an AA filter. Mar 10, 2007 at 12:01 AM

Monito Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread JohnnyGCanon wrote: It does make me wonder though, is Canon capable of bringing out a replacement to the 20D/30D? Yes. JohnnyGCanon wrote: After all, it's been 2 1/2 years since the 20D was introduced. Doesn't matter. Canon doesn't owe you a thing. JohnnyGCanon wrote: That's way past time to bring a replacement out! No. JohnnyGCanon wrote: Maybe they're having a hard time doing it? Nonsense. Mar 10, 2007 at 02:14 AM

JohnnyGCanon Offline Image Upload: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Monito wrote: JohnnyGCanon wrote: It does make me wonder though, is Canon capable of bringing out a replacement to the 20D/30D? Yes. JohnnyGCanon wrote: After all, it's been 2 1/2 years since the 20D was introduced. Doesn't matter. Canon doesn't owe you a thing. JohnnyGCanon wrote: That's way past time to bring a replacement out! No. JohnnyGCanon wrote: Maybe they're having a hard time doing it? Nonsense. Seems to me you're dodging the issues and making this personal which is wrong on this forum in my opinion. Opinions about cameras and camera companies should be what we're talking about, not people like you're doing. For example to say that Canon doesn't owe me anything is ridiculous and was never said. Canon doesn't owe me a thing and I don't owe them anything. You're making that up. Your statement about "Nonsense" at the end of your diatribe kind of sums up everything you said. Mar 10, 2007 at 02:51 AM

Photonik Online Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Monito made up the idea that "canon does not owe johnnygcanon anything"? Might as well say that monito made up the idea that the universe doesnt revolve around you either. The 20d was upgraded (i'm looking at a 30d right now, its pretty cool), and even if it wasnt, as monito said, so what? If you can find a multimillion dollar corporation willing to tailor-make high-tech devices to your demands, good luck, batman. Also, why on earth would anyone be motivated to bring out something new do to the loud urgings of someone who, on the one hand says "canon's selection is terrible and needs an update badly to keep me happy!", while, on the other hand says " I will NEVER, EVER, dump canon, no matter what!!". If I heard that statement, I would definitely keep handing you last years model at twice the price since you clearly arent going to shop somewhere else anyway. The fact is, no amount of petulant crying and hand-waving is going to make canon release a new camera before they decide its the most profitable moment to do so. Mar 10, 2007 at 03:18 AM

JohnnyGCanon Offline Image Upload: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Photonik wrote: Monito made up the idea that "canon does not owe johnnygcanon anything"? Might as well say that monito made up the idea that the universe doesnt revolve around you either. The 20d was upgraded (i'm looking at a 30d right now, its pretty cool), and even if it wasnt, as monito said, so what? If you can find a multimillion dollar corporation willing to tailor-make high-tech devices to your demands, good luck, batman. Also, why on earth would anyone be motivated to bring out something new do to the loud urgings of someone who, on the one hand says "canon's selection is terrible and needs an update badly to keep me happy!", while, on the other hand says " I will NEVER, EVER, dump canon, no matter what!!". If I heard that statement, I would definitely keep handing you last years model at twice the price since you clearly arent going to shop somewhere else anyway. The fact is, no amount of petulant crying and hand-waving is going to make canon release a new camera before they decide its the most profitable moment to do so. FredMiranda.com is a most unfriendly place for sure! I've never read such childishness and anger! Wow! Is everyone on here that way? Mar 10, 2007 at 03:38 AM

Hammerli Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread JohnnyGCanon wrote: FredMiranda.com is a most unfriendly place for sure! I've never read such childishness and anger! Wow! Is everyone on here that way? No, not everyone, just some people: JohnnyGCanon wrote: I'm still complaining and will continue until I'm satisfied that Canon CAN bring out an updated 20D. Mar 10, 2007 at 04:07 AM

JohnnyGCanon Offline Image Upload: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Hammerli wrote: JohnnyGCanon wrote: FredMiranda.com is a most unfriendly place for sure! I've never read such childishness and anger! Wow! Is everyone on here that way? No, not everyone, just some people: Well, at least you admit it! Mar 10, 2007 at 04:14 AM

danmitchell Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Common everyone... just let it go, OK? (Or take it to private messaging.) Thanks. Mar 10, 2007 at 04:18 AM

Hammerli Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread JohnnyGCanon wrote: Well, at least you admit it! colon a. A punctuation mark ( : ) used after a word introducing a quotation, an explanation, an example,... Mar 10, 2007 at 04:21 AM

Hammerli Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread danmitchell wrote: Common everyone... just let it go, OK? (Or take it to private messaging.) Thanks. Wouldn't it be nice if, since Canon has made it clear there will be no 40D at PMA, everyone would just let that go until the next logical time for introduction 6 months from now. At this point, endlessly complaining about what one feels Canon should have done is pointless after we've heard it over and over. It is very evident from the body they did introduce Canon is very interested in advancing the technology in their bodies(pretty much addresses the question of "can". Logically those advancements first appeared in one of 2 flagship models, and will very likely be represented in the 40D (or whatever it is called.) The 30D is scheduled for an update in the fall if we apply Canon's past policy, so it isn't shocking, or even remotely strange that they didn't bump up their timetable. Mar 10, 2007 at 04:30 AM

JohnnyGCanon Offline Image Upload: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Hammerli wrote: JohnnyGCanon wrote: Well, at least you admit it! colon a. A punctuation mark ( : ) used after a word introducing a quotation, an explanation, an example,... Takes a colon to know a colon! Good one Hammerli! Now we have grammar lessons. When do we talk about cameras and lens and stuff? Mar 10, 2007 at 04:33 AM

Tom_W Offline Buy and Sell: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Colon? Dang near killed 'em. OK, now that that is out of the way, let's consider what's in store in the future. Canon will replace the 30D at some point. They will replace all those "old" lenses as well, even if they are already very good lenses. And the 5D - it will be replaced as well. But obviously not at PMA. Perhaps in May, or September, or next year. Who knows? As for the punctuation, there was a reason for the placement of the colon. I will not comment further on that (probably). Mar 10, 2007 at 04:51 AM

Monito Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread JohnnyGCanon wrote: When do we talk about cameras and lens and stuff? Perhaps when you stop dominating the thread with your one-issue, which has devolved to your nonsensical speculation about Canon being incapable of releasing a follow on to the 30D. Mar 10, 2007 at 04:52 AM

JohnnyGCanon Offline Image Upload: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Monito wrote: JohnnyGCanon wrote: When do we talk about cameras and lens and stuff? Perhaps when you stop dominating the thread with your one-issue, which has devolved to your nonsensical speculation about Canon being incapable of releasing a follow on to the 30D. Forums are for opinions and exchanging of ideas. Just because you don't like my opinion and think it's wrong doesn't make it that way. You too are dominating the thread with your whining and childish behavior and trying to change my mind through brute force from you. All I'm saying is my opinion and I'll continue because that's what forums are all about. And, I have more than one issue: Canon and it's inability to bring out the 20D/30D replacement, people with boorish behavior, why there isn't a word that rhymes with orange, and a few other esoteric subjects. Canon will, when they can, bring out a replacement camera. It may be next year or the following but I'm sure they will. I've been buying Canon for over 30 years so what's another couple Mar 10, 2007 at 05:09 AM

danmitchell Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Ahem... Common everyone... just let it go, OK? (Or take it to private messaging.) Please? Dan Mar 10, 2007 at 05:34 AM

JohnnyGCanon Offline Image Upload: On 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Tom_W wrote: Colon? Dang near killed 'em. OK, now that that is out of the way, let's consider what's in store in the future. Canon will replace the 30D at some point. They will replace all those "old" lenses as well, even if they are already very good lenses. And the 5D - it will be replaced as well. But obviously not at PMA. Perhaps in May, or September, or next year. Who knows? As for the punctuation, there was a reason for the placement of the colon. I will not comment further on that (probably). The placement didn't escape me! Mar 10, 2007 at 06:13 AM

halie Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread danmitchell wrote: Ahem... Common everyone... just let it go, OK? (Or take it to private messaging.) Please? Dan I agree. Let it go. As far as Canon, the way I see it, the longer they wait to replace their camera models, the better they will be. I was actually hoping for a 40D, but the longer they take, the more I lean toward a 5D or whatever its successor is. Now, what is a colon exactly? Mar 10, 2007 at 06:17 AM

sirhibernac Offline Image Upload: Off 'Official' Post-PMA Discussion thread Now, what is a colon exactly? It's what Katie Couric showed the world back in 2000 Mar 10, 2007 at 03:34 PM

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