aaronlam wrote:
3. Integrated cleaning - isn't the jury still out on the effectiveness of this with the Rebel XTi?
WHO exactly is on this jury? I HAVE this feature on the 400D and it DOES work VERY WELL. Other people I have spoken to reflect the same results.
So, are the Jury the people who have it already - and say it DOES WORK - in which case the Jury has already returned it's verdict (IT DOES WORK) - or is the Jury the 'nay sayers' who DON'T HAVE IT and are still claiming that it can't possibly work?
I agree with DavidP on the impressiveness of the MkIII. I think the only ones who are "yawning" over the new announcement are those who haven't taken tens of thousands of photos with either of the MkII models (1D and 1Ds, I mean).
I really am surprised by how much of a step forward this one is; I hadn't been planning on upgrading, but everything I've read this morning is telling me I should. It's a competitive world out there....
Wide area cross pattern AF sensors only work with large aperture lenses.
That mean the camera looses the benefit of cross pattern with slower lenses, How does it warn you of this, or is it only known when you realize it can't lock focus?
I agree with DavidP on the impressiveness of the MkIII. I think the only ones who are "yawning" over the new announcement are those who haven't taken tens of thousands of photos with either of the MkII models (1D and 1Ds, I mean).
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Thanks for agreeing . . but I don't think *I* have taken "tens of thousands of images" with them. Maybe 10k in total . . probably less.
But the vast majority of those photos are in "available darkness".
DavidP wrote:
Think of those who primarily shoot landscapes / stills / etc.
For them, this wouldn't make a lot of sense.
The live view would be very handy for landscape photographers. You can easily confirm focus manually, you get grid lines according to the rule of thirds, you can check exposure on the screen, you get weather sealing for when it starts to rain, easy access to mirror lockup, better control of highlights, 50% less noise in the shadows, a bigger viewfinder, more off-center cross-type AF points for better focusing on various subjects, heck, even 10 megapixels is nothing to shake a stick at!
It may not be FF, but this camera has become more than a sports/pj camera. It's becoming more and more universal, appropriate for far broader types of photography.
WOW! 10 f/s....This is a real film killer. You'll never miss that important shots again because you don't have to stop every 4 seconds to change film cardrige, not to mention you wasting money on processing fee. I love to get one and put my 1V in a museum.
DavidP wrote:
... It does appear that once you're done setting something, it can't be "bumped" unless you re-press the button, so maybe it'll be OK and I'll be singing the praise of this, too.
Speaking of which, I hope they've kept the CF that lets you lock the top control dial when you turn off the rear dial. That was one of my favorite features of the Mark II over the original 1D.
All the complaints so far describe perfectly people who should be shooting the 5D. The only thing you are asking for that the 5D lacks is weather seals. You are missing the intended purpose of the 1D body.
Regarding live view being worthless because it's manual focus - well, my eyes are crap, and I wear progressive lenses to boot, so you won't catch me wasting time trying to manual focus ANY camera - but - for photojournalist use, I imagine that when in a crowd, the smart thing would be to stop down the lens to pick up DOF, get a peek shot of your subject and autofocus, or else use the distance scale like anybody who knows how to use a camera would, then switch to live view and raise the camera up to get the shot. How hard is that? Also, keep in mind that the live view is presented at a higher sharp level in magnified (5X or 10X) view, to aid in focusing - this would be useful for situations where you would have used the Angle Finder C - which is still supported on this camera.
Regarding only 2MP upgrade - well, I was thinking to pickup a used 1Ds2 to have throwaway pixels - now I don't have to pay for something I won't use, the pixel size is the same as the 1Ds2....something that kept me from adding the 5D to the 1D2, as I could see no point in adding more of the same to what I already was shooting with -
Must say I find the 5D ergonomics frustrating, after two years of the 1D2 and 70,000 exposures shot - and that hasn't changed in 3 months use - I absolutely HATE the top shooting mode dial! Too damn many times I've grabbed the camera only minutes after using it, and gone "Huh?" when the control dials don't work - only to see that I'm now in "P" or "M" instead of "Av" where I shoot 90% of the time.
Bring it on! Canon. They hit one out of the park this time.
SCOR wrote:
Looks like there is an option for an MLU button.
cf III(15)(2) - allows the "SET" button to operate as MLU button.
I don't think that C.Fn.III (15) allows you to use the "SET" button as the MLU button. I think it just releases the MLU, but I might be wrong. However, C.Fn.IV (4) has the potential to give us the magic MLU button. If you look on the right side of the screen there appears to be more choices below that you can scroll down to. We can only hope.
wtlloyd, I did try the 5D and got rid of it for the same reason you said... frustrating ergonomics. I started setting my back wheel to control the AF points back with the 1n and can not get away from that now... it is the fastest way for me to switch AF points (I have it down to 11 pts as opposed to 45). The cursor (that I now see on the 1DIII) was weird and hard to use IMO.
Your point about the Live Preview still doesn't make sense to me. I understand focusing with hyperfocal which is what I think you are describing, just estimating the focal distance or focusing at eye level and raising the camera up for a higher elevation shot... how does the Live Preview help anywhere here? You can still take the same picture without it. Since the screen doesn't tilt, I honestly don't think you will be able to use the Live Preview to compose your shot... unless you are shooting planes I guess we'll have to see this feature in action to determine it's usefulness.
I don't understand what you are saying about the throwaway pixels either. Memory cards and memory for your hard drive is so cheap these days, wouldn't you rather shoot in the 10mp mode than in 2mp. What if you took an amazing picture in 2mp mode... wouldn't you regret that you didn't take that shot in 10mp in case it was to be featured somewhere or you wanted a big blow up of it? I just don't understand these options to downsize the potential image before getting it out of the camera. The only thing I can think of is for faster workflow and I'd be shooting JPG's anyway. Actually, I'd be shooting RAW with a JPG reference image.
DavidP, I actually did address the AF. We'll have to see HOW much better this tracking is compared to the current 1-series AF. I am sure I am not one to PUSH my 1DII to it's AF limits on a regular basis but I think all those cross-sensors is just hype. The 1DII AF's beautifully... I am sure the 1DIII will AF better but it sounds like a bit of overkill and not really a killer feature.
I try not to shoot ISO 3200/1600 as much as possible. Sometimes, it is necessary but I am not happy when I have to. I appreciate the option that I CAN, but ISO6400 (if it is the same noise level as current ISO3200 or ISO3200 if it was the same as current ISO1600) would only be used in extreme and unusual circumstances... a nice option but also not a killer feature. I personally feel you can see noise above ISO800. HOPEFULLY, by corollary, ISO1000 noise was made cleaner as well and so forth down the line. That would be nice but only 1/3 stop difference.
I do touch on the weight in my comments which is a great improvement to the 1DII lead weight feel but again, I'd much rather have seen a 1V size 1-Series DSLR.
I don't know about the cleaning system. I don't have an XTi... so more curious to everyone's experience than anything. I still clean my sensor with a good blower and yes... sometimes compressed air (YIKES!).
I think this camera might suffer (or profit depending on how you look at it) in the same way as the 20D -> 5D move. The 5D was SUCH an improvement over the 20D that people who moved to the 5D were awestruck at its abilities. The 1DII was an AMAZING body... leaps and bounds beyond the 1D. The 1DIII builds on this and adds lots of "nice" features but at the same price point, I don't see anything terribly that interesting. I think what I was looking for was a 1V sized full frame 1-series. That would have been revolutionary in my book. All the other stuff is just features that photographers 50 years ago didn't need and photographers today don't need... but is nice. (Trust me, I am not someone who likes vintage items... I love technology). I just don't think this camera is that much to be AWED over. Oh well... I was seriously hoping to be knocked off my chair.
This camera is probably really worth it for PJ's and sports photogs to upgrade but I think they are more interested in the AF, bigger buffer (even though not that much bigger for RAW) and lighter weight. The rest of the features, I feel, are a bit of fluff.
Strike me down!
BTW: I am by no means a great photographer or make my living through it... just an avid hobbyist but I have put 20,000 shots through my 1DII, 8000 through a 10D and far far less through film bodies before the 10D.
OK, I haven't read *every* post in this thread, but ... Am I right that you can only select the 19 AF points? From page 16: Note that the 19 high-precision, cross-type points are no longer clustered solely in the center of the frame. The 26 Assist AF points are horizontal-line sensitive at f/5.6, are not user selectable,
I do like the way you can now select any point along the outer ring with just one dial (p. 19).
DavidP wrote:
For once, it appears that Canon has actually LISTENED to the photographers for which this camera is designed . . . and actually gone back to square one and designed what they WANTED.
Kudos to Canon!
Exactly how I felt going through the white paper. It has almost everything I have seen on various wish lists in this forum. Now if only it had ECF...
